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Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

History of Planetarion in 40 Minutes

R1 - Beginnings. Concordium, Rinoa's Eclipse and BlueTuba are the first alliances. C7R are the resistance to Concordium. Top galaxy is debated to date as there are 3 eligible winners. Holoroids + cargoships + Jonka Attack

R2 - Thiefs (thats how it was spelt back then!). Bluetuba and WaC (Concordium) are toppled. Fury (originally C7R) and Legion/VtS (originally a wing of WaC) become the two new ruling alliances.

R3 - Fury and Legion create a triad block with Reborn (RB). STEL is the main enemy block which utterly fails. A wing of RB are deleted for cheating and the alliance is kicked from the block resulting in its devastation. A split happens in Legion towards end of round to form Wolfpack. Fury/Wolfpack manage to hurt a besieged Legion.

R4 - Introduction of Parallel alliances. Vts recruit Elysium and Xanadu into a block to oppose a Fury/ViruS/Wolfpack enemy. NoS/Cell switch sides more often than you change a pair of pants. Fury lose its leadership during the pinnacle of the war and after a concentrated campaign - the x11x parallel Fury stronghold is broken. Debates to the various states of the alliances - with both Fury and Legion performing lacklustre. Xanadu credited as a major alliance and for the win in most circles.

R5 - WP is reincorporated into Legion. After the threat of rising alliances like NoS and Xanadu, Furgion reforms. Fury forms its first recruiting wing - Wrath. FLTTVE (Fury, Legion, Ely[sium, ToT, Virus, Bluetuba) vs NoCex (NoS, Cell, Xanadu + some others I cant remember). FLTTVE utterly crush the opposition. Skirmishes between Legion and Virus (although no outright war) with Tuba disbanding and Elysium being left out to dry by Legion when Fury declares war on them. Fury and Legion dominate the rankings, with the latter spelling out V t s down the top three galaxies. From a Fury perspective, Wrath is a resounding success.

R6 - Deus Ex Machina form and bring a third block to the wars. They form a block called FoS. Xanadu form their own block called Xeta containing the previous Legion allies of Elysium and a new alliance called Silver. Fury/Legion remain with FLTTV along with ToT/Virus/Titans. War kicks off straight out of protection which is unheard of before, with Xeta launching against FLTTV. FLTTV suspends Operation Barghest (A word document for Fury victory written and discussed between Meth and Zhil - it outlined a plan to destroy Deus first and render the FoS block inert before moving onto the Xanadu block. Support surprisingly came from Titans more than Legion who were more worried about Xanadu than Deus) and attacks Xeta back. At a critical stage when FLTTV are looking to be winning, FoS join in alongside Xeta against FLTTV. Furgion are defeated for the first time in history. FoS then seek FLTTV help vs Xeta which is granted. Fury leader Synthetic Sid suggesting and implementing the tag of [NOT DEAD] which serves as a major morale boost - Fury recovers extremely well, yet just as a third possible resurgent war between FLTTV and FoS looks likely, the round ends. Wildly credited as one of the best topsy-turny round in history.

R7 - Blocks: Newx (Xanadu. NoS, Elysium and WPO) vs FLTTV (Fury, Legion, Titans, ToT, Virus with satellites of FAnG and RaH). Newx is crushed extremely early. Calls for a new war stretch the winning block to their limits. A catastrophic war nearly happens when nearly all the alliances band together to attack Fury for diplomatic failings - yet is barely avoided. Fury end up going to war with Titans. Legion go to war with FAnG/RaH. Legion are criticized for their pull-out and abandonment of Titans in a 'plot' against Fury, who is seen as the strongest alliance. Fury organizes a 'revenge' attack to be done against the main Legion organizer, Fred, after other evidence is brought to light (and other events leading to Fury-Legion relations breakdown). RaH are onboard too - as a RaH HC attends the Fury meet in London. Yet the plan is never executed as Fred is closed hours before the scheduled attack. Xanadu and Legion disband - leaving for other games like Eve-Online or Star Wars Galaxies. Only victory for Fury without Synthetic Sid as CEO. CEO was Cryptic during the round.

R8 - Fury go solo. Blocks still form with Titans/ViruS/LDK and Adelante/FAnG/ToT. Fury performed crap and politically allied with FAnG/ToT after Adelante collapsed and their core joined Fury. It's all too late though as Fury are on the backfoot and the servers are cut off suddenly as Fifth Season
lose their servers. Titans/LDK claim a win, which is hard to deny but pro-Fury and FAnG diehards argue the case of the round ending early and state a comeback was 'possible' - this is debated fiercely. In author's opinion, Titans/LDK/ViruS won and Fury wasn't the Fury it was supposed to be.

R9 - Fury is gone, the last of the old superpowers. Titans also has left, leaving a great power vacuum. Eclipse is established by Focht, Rob, Zhil, Olrik and Killghost. Three blocks form: WEET (WPO, Eclipse, Elysium, ToT) , NAHR (NoS, Auld, RaH, hirr) and VVOMM (ViruS, Olympians, Madcows, Vision and Ministry). VVOMM only allow their members to form galaxies together, prohibiting them from accepting anyone else from outside the block. This forces NAHR into the WEET camp as VVOMM hits both blocks. WEET-NAHR utterly kill VVOMM into dust, VVOMM make no inroads into the round. WEET then war with NAHR and WEET is victorious. WEET breaks down further when a WPO battleground called Dragons sends repeated hostiles vs an Eclipse Command galaxy. Eclipse/ToT fight WPO/Elysium. Eclipse/ToT win and produce one of the most dominating wins in history.

R9.5 - Interim round since last round was stagnated rather badly after all competition died. Eclipse sat out officially though ToT did not. Nothing really special happened - LDK/Dragons win.

R10 - FAnG vs Eclipse is the main fight this round. Can't remember the allies on FAnG's side, but Eclipse had Elysium. Eclipse seen as stronger alliance, yet at the end FAnG transfers its members into Elysium giving Elysium the top score and thus top alliance position. Bitter divide between Eclipse and Elysium exists today as such a deplorable tactic, with even some FAnG command crediting the win to Eclipse. Still, ingame wise - it was Elysium.

R10.5 - Shock announcement that Eclipse disbands, leaving a massive power vacuum and leading to total stagnation as the block built by FAnG/Phraktos/Mistu is simply too organized. Elysium/Newdawn/Wolfpack lose. Phraktos attempt a war vs FAnG but fail miserably. At end of round, a top 10 planet from within WPO reveals himself to be none other than Synthetic_Sid who belittles the 'dominating block' for being unable to topple him and for the general state of alliance discipline. He throws a challenge out to the game to fight it without blocks and creates an alliance called 1up which he believes will win through simple military superiority.

R11 - 1up, the elite and cream of the crop, taking members from previous alliances like Fury, Legion, Titans and LDK form and create a pact where any stagnation-threatening blocks will earn the full wrath of 1up and those who sign the pact. As a result, the fear in the universe prevents an effective counter to 1up who steamroller over all opposition. Marks the first LCH vs 1up war. 1up wins soundly, proving that blocks are not needed to win.

R12 - 1up declares itself to be kingmaker this round, going into the round with a third less members than anyone else. When LCH and allies tackle ND, 1up is brought into the targetting too. 1up shockingly takes first position (to even its own command) and during the war with LCH, LCH choose instead to take on ND. False beliefs include this as being an 'easy' round for 1up who provide a figure of over 2000 defense calls covered for that round alone. Excluded those not covered which could easily have been 30-40%.

R13 - eXilition arrive in this round to form a resistance to 1up. During the first few weeks of the round, both alliances seem to hurt each other extensively. Blocks essentially form with LCH/Angels/eXi slamming 1up/ND who are seen as tied together from the previous round. This in essence does bring the two alliances together. WP sit pretty at top for awhile and form their own block consisting of WP/HR/VGN. As the eXi block looks to get ahead - everyone does bugger all with only alliances like ToF/SiN trying to hit eXi with 1up. The WP block join in vs eXi as WP lose the top spot, but by then it's too late.

R14 - eXilition does not play. 1up enter the play solo, but soon after the first forray of fights enter a NAP with Reunion. LCH/Hydra/Insomnia all hit 1up. The enemy block to 1up looses coordination though after key decisive strikes from the favourite. 1up win the round.

R15 - Repeat of r13 essentially except without ND helping 1up. ND look a threat to #1 but everyone is too incompetent to organize anything against eXilition after 1up are grinded down. eXilition is 'tainted' yet again by cheating accusations as it's revealed there has been use of 'many' support planets.

R16 - 1up, Newdawn, Subh and Angels look to be contenders for the round. With LCH, ND, Subh and Angels all attacking 1up at various junctures, the former King to the throne is beseiged yet somehow manages to win out vs the opposition. Towards the end, 1up are denied their victory through a full tag-up of Ascendancy who craftily utilized an overpowered XP formula. 1up, unable to attack Ascendancy due to the bash limits are powerless to take back what was believed to be their rightful* #1 rank. Ascendancy wins.

*Author biased in believing that 1up rightly deserived that victory as it took on and defeated the forces against it militarily.

R17 - 1up, although tired, continues into this next round. Rumours of eXilition returning are put to rest as eXilition does NOT enter the round. Theres the usual mixup of fights, yet 1up rapes Omen and ND to gain top spot and win the round. 1up manages to hide the true extent of its score till close to the end, although it baffles many to why Omen did not launch a strike when they became aware to the true ranking of 1up through their own intel sources.

R18 - eXilition vs 1up again. eXilition streak ahead and during the critical moment, Subh back out of a coordinated strike. 1up does the only thing it can do at this stage and make sure Subh does not achieve the #2 rank it traded its balls and word of agreement for. 1up succeeds in this mission and disbands end of round citing the longitivity and consistency of running 1up to being reasons for its leaving. 1up says it will return only if the game changes for the better.

R19 - Who knows? LCH returning along with eXilition playing with a smaller memberbase which is already compared to that of 1up's win in R12 when they cited 'kingmaker'.

This history is written by myself and is from my own memory and what I found on various websites. I've tried to be 'neutral' as possible, but some things are frankly impossible to be neutral over.

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Copied from post in another thread. Thought it might be useful as a whole. If I missed anything, please post below and I'll edit when I can. I'm not interested in "but xxxx was better and xxxx cheated!". I've stated my bias obvious for all to see, yet I've also only told the truth.

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My former alliances - Fury, Eclipse, 1up and all the people I've met for inspiring me to actually write this.
Synthetic Sid, Ghengis and Cayl for giving this newb a chance
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Unread 9 Sep 2006, 07:34   #2
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Re: Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

Thanks Zhil, great read.
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Unread 9 Sep 2006, 07:44   #3
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tof's consistent friendly firing should probably be mentioned for r13, i'll read through and add more suggestions later, good effort though
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Nice post \o/
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Re: Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

Nice read and best part is :

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History of Planetarion in 40 Minutes


R11 - 1up, the elite and cream of the crop, taking members from previous alliances like Fury, Legion, Titans and LDK
cause that includes me \o/ (you could add vision to that list of alliances because i was vision by that time :P)
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who's legator?
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i dont like you (both of you !!)
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nice post, makes me feel old though
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no mention of the ND/Insomnia/Omen scraps in r17?

good post though certaintly brings back memories
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What assasin said
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Re: Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

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no mention of the ND/Insomnia/Omen scraps in r17?

good post though certaintly brings back memories
Hehe, yeah. It's missing certain parts there; perhaps the twice-fought (fairly brief though) Omen v. Insomnia/ND war, and the Insomnia/1up block against Omen towards the end.
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probably ebcause it didnt involve zhil himself! nice post mate, very good read
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tof's consistent friendly firing should probably be mentioned for r13, i'll read through and add more suggestions later, good effort though
Hahaha, when Vision and Vengeance were allied/napped/etc in R8 or R9 or something like that, i was the night DC. Fully half - 50% - of Vision's incoming were from VGN planets, and i had to keep PMing people to get them to recall (only half the time they did too ).

I still laugh at Furball for the n00bishness of his alliance, citing this example. The fact that he wasnt a VGN HC during that time (or even in VGN iirc) is beside the point .


Crazy stuff happened in the small alliances too. in a way, i think they are more meaningful than just the same crap the the 'top' alliances did.
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R10.5 - Shock announcement that Eclipse disbands, leaving a massive power vacuum and leading to total stagnation as the block built by FAnG/Phraktos/Mistu is simply too organized. Elysium/Newdawn/Wolfpack lose.
That last bit isn't very clear.

As far as I remember it, Wolfpack were NAPd to Phraktos (and therefore FPM) for most of the round, until getting crumpled by FPM. The main opposition to FPM was 'VEL' or 'ELV' however you wish to say it, which was VisioN, Elysium and LCH.

There was also the FYTFO merger between LCH and HR, but that did pretty much nothing.

At this time, ND genuinely were pretty much a nothing alliance (round 10 we struggled to get into top 10, and morale was pretty crap during 10.5 as everyone thought it was the most boring round ever(TM)). Afaik, we did little if anything about the major battles in that round, but I wasn't very involved/playing properly until later.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I found round 14 interesting. Hydra, Wolfpack, Insomnia and LCH caved, whilst Reunion and ND rose in their stead. This was pretty personal to me as ND looked like it was near collapse between round 13 and 14 at some points, and although starting the round was never in doubt, starting with more than 20 people definitely was. As could be seen in lokken's logbook, we were only rank 10 as of PT171, and reunion were only rank 11. Although I know we don't warrant much more space, I think early round 14 was a pretty big turning point for ND, as a poor start wouldn't have seen us as 'contenders' for rounds 15, 16 and 17.
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very nice but u misssed the rock vs f-crew war in rd 17
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R16 - 1up, Newdawn, Subh and Angels look to be contenders for the round. With LCH, ND, Subh and Angels all attacking 1up at various junctures, the former King to the throne is beseiged yet somehow manages to win out vs the opposition. Towards the end, 1up are denied their victory through a full tag-up of Ascendancy who craftily utilized an overpowered XP formula. 1up, unable to attack Ascendancy due to the bash limits are powerless to take back what was believed to be their rightful* #1 rank. Ascendancy wins.

*Author biased in believing that 1up rightly deserived that victory as it took on and defeated the forces against it militarily.
In all honesty, 1up back down from fighting ND that round. So they didn't defeat the forces against it military.
I'm not saying that the reason behind 1up backing down was because ND wtfowned 1up that round but it was because 1up couldn't beat ND's morale that round.
Obviously the way planetarion was "programmed" that round also had something to do with it.

In all my bias, Ascendancy deserved to win that round, but if it wasn't ascendancy it should've been ND :P
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Re: Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

I only played rounds 1-3 and rejoined late r16 but have to say my best memory was from playing in ICD in r2.

I was lucky enough to be in 8:4 and was involved in the huge battle there when Concordium was basically beaten.

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Truly a great post Zhil

it misses a few good wars tho
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great post zhil, a very worthwhile read!
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In r10 fang were allied with dragons.

I don't remember Angels being anywhere high up in r16, I think subh were there or thereabouts for a bit though.

Legion were originally a cluster alliance in r1, the 17th legion (although I'm sure you knew this and just omitted it).

r2 deserves more flesh on the bones, the fact BT and WaC weren't hitting each other towards the start at all, the fact there were a lot of transfers of members out of WaC (including a lot of the top ranked planets in the end)l, that WaC disbanded at most a couple of days after legion cancelled the NAP they had with them after they left and that this was partly (but always going to happen anyways) a reaction to WaC defending BT, Mostly Harmless, who moved from BT to WaC and then moved into legion, the slightly different way alliances worked back then with dual alliance membership and integrated yet separate battle-wings.

Also I can't believe r15 got a mention of cheating accusations and we don't get to hear about killmark's bot army or the utter hilarity of r9.5 and those minute planets with tiny defence only fleets.
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Re: Zhil's Tame Planetarion History

looks about right I guess.

Nice you mentioned the Jonka-attack, hehe. Such an unfair advantage to those that knew about it

As for the rest... what JBG said
And I think TPE should be mentioned somewhere tbh. They always had something going on in the early rounds, but not sure baout that.
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U missed Redbull, for the rest superb post
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Nice Thread Zhil, great initiative. thats the way it goes
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Hahaha, when Vision and Vengeance were allied/napped/etc in R8 or R9 or something like that, i was the night DC. Fully half - 50% - of Vision's incoming were from VGN planets, and i had to keep PMing people to get them to recall (only half the time they did too ).
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Hehe, yeah. It's missing certain parts there; perhaps the twice-fought (fairly brief though) Omen v. Insomnia/ND war, and the Insomnia/1up block against Omen towards the end.
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Round 1: Alliances emerge slowly, mostly as cluster alliances. T6E, the 17th legion, c7r. Blue Tuba emerge as a group of top ranking non-concordium galaxies. Rinoa's Eclipse I have very little idea of the origins of but there's a slight leaning towards cluster 8 galaxies in the end of round gal taggings. Concordium I really don't have any idea of the origins of, although a huge number of their tagged galaxies are cluster 2 (I think someone like torz, who I still see around very occasionally might actually know this, or someone like sid probably would). You're talking a lot of dual membership in alliances back then, I know there was a certain degree of crossover between the 17th legion and concordium and probably some between t6e and concordium (I might ask nodrog if he remembers this). In general RE, BT and C7R were opposed to Conc. The degree that RE and BT actually attacked conc is questionable, I've read people such as Tis saying that C7R were really the only group actively attacking conc and getting roids off them. To an extent it's probably aa confused issue due to lack of alliance control over who planets targetted back then. Possibly BT and RE actively engaged with conc to a lesser extent than C7R.

How it moved into r2 is confusing. I've never heard of RE mentioned in the context of r2 so I'd assume that possibly in between the rounds they disbanded, or at least very early on in the round. Concordium moved into r2 and were widely known as WaC (for their tag, which stood for We are Concordium). Blue Tuba also made the move into round 2. Other alliances included, fury, predominately, if not totally, C7R from round 1, The Empire or TE (unsure of origins), New Dawn, who were the first small membercount, high average quality alliance (I think in the region of 50 members), F-Crew (I'm sure wakey can inform you as to their origins), IPC (Interplanetary Peace Corps) who modelled themselves as an alliance against bashing who would take revenge on planets who hit below their weight, ICD (Independent Cluster Defence I think) who were effectively a group of alliances merged under one roof, many alliances would join up and their members would effectively become part of an ICD "core", SK, who I know nothing about and UXF (the United Xanadu Federation) who both ViruS and Xanadu could claim as part of their ancestry.

The 17th Legion moved into r2 as a wing of WaC, I'm unsure of the other wings, I know one of the high-profile ones was Jonka's wing and there also existed a WaCjr, which was the recruiting alliance for WaC. Fury moved into r2 with somewhere about 60 odd members, ND with ~50. Neither of these changed much early on. BT and WaC became absolutely massive (BT at least have been said to have peaked at about 1000 members but with fake-tagging and such it's almost impossible to be certain). UXF were also a large alliance, in the 500 member range at certain points, TE, ICD and IPC were also very large but I'd hesitate before putting a number to it all.

BT and WaC despite being the top two alliances and hostile towards each other from the previous round (and remember this is the start of PA so hostility extended from r1 into r2 very naturally) did not in fact go after each other initially. Timeframes here are going to be nigh on impossible to get right but I'm going to try and do it in rough chronological order. BT and WaC grow to immense sizes. Mostly Harmless, a BT wing/battlegroup splits from BT and moves to WaC. After a maximum of three weeks from this event Legion splits from WaC, pretty much taking MH en masse with it. Approximate size of legion at this point would be 80 members give or take. Legion and WaC NAP after leaving and remain on friendly terms. In fact both come under attack from a group of alliances, IPC, UXF, ND, SK. These alliances are beaten off and defeated.

At this point in time Legion start to look at attacking something bigger. However they cannot get assistance from WaC as regards attacking Blue Tuba as WaC are still involved in the previous war more so than Legion are. Legion at this point contact Fury, who have recently emerged successfully from a war with TE (Fury at this point in time are somwhere between 60 and 80 members). Fury and Legion both attack Blue Tuba. This can at best be described as a massacre as BT have very little organisation and are basically an over bloated, spy-riddled alliance waiting one solid kick to send the whole house of cards crashing to the ground. Despite BT's score/member advantage Legion and Fury quickly take the upper hand (we're talking a matter of days here).

WaC, at this point, largely join in with VtS/Fury attacking BT but later on realise the ineffectiveness of this strategy, as they will be next on the list for Furgion when they're finished. WaC start defending BT. In response to this Legion cancel the NAP with WaC (I'm unsure as to Fury's relations with WaC at this point but I believe there was a NAP for at least some part of the earlier bits of the round). Before any real attacks can begin on WaC they disband, alliances which form from WaC include Sedition, LOST and Elysium. A huge number of the top WaC members move to Legion and Fury though, more so to Fury who finish the round in the 200 member range (give or take a couple of dozen I imagine), Legion being somewhere around the 120 member range. The remainder of the round is occupied by shipjumping, the finishing off of Sedition etc and planets shipfarming each other in the top ranks.

As a sidenote Mista is believed to have logged into every planet in the t100 at any point during this round.

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How it moved into r2 is confusing. I've never heard of RE mentioned in the context of r2 so I'd assume that possibly in between the rounds they disbanded, or at least very early on in the round.

RE started the round and I appraoched them (I ran TRT).

The RE leader (minako?) and myslef agreed that TRT would merge with RE. RE was getting hit hard by others, BT i think, and TRT were certainly being hit.
Then RE disbanded and became known as ReBorn. RB was getting smashed to pieces, and Ming, the new leader, sorted Fury as allies. Sid announched it on the forums, and all attacks on us ceased immedietly, giving the round 2 win to the triad (Fury/RB/Legion) easily.
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The neg rep itself doesn't really matter - my epenis will remain intact as I call on a minion to balance out this atrocity to my name - but I'd still somehow like an explanation on how its a bad point of view.

1) Yes, r1 and r2 were barer than others. This wasnt intentional. I started out wanting it to be a summary, but the rounds after that I remembered more clearly I took more time on. I didn't intend 17th Legion being missed out, because unlike C7R they didnt straight off go into their own alliance - going into WaC as a wing. Perhaps I should define this more, but I believed this to be one of the major distinctions between Fury and Legion's origins.

2) Smaller alliances and their ommittal. This was partly intended since I do not have much experience with smaller alliances and to what they did when it didn't impact the round. Frankly, if the POOPOO alliance managed to finally managed to achieve three rank 100 members in one round - I didn't notice nor care. Harsh, but as chika said, the winners write the history (which is why Ive partly wrote this one *arrogance ego++*). I know of very few actual wars between the smaller alliances, but in the grande scheme of things - this wasnt supposed to be a post to say about every action in this game. Feel free to post about what smaller alliances achieved - if its remotely interesting I'll add it but no guarantees, I -am- willing to admit lack of knowledge in this department.

3) Latest 1up rounds - I got bored towards the end of my post and the last lot of rounds in 1up just seem to amalgamate together. I'll edit when I get chance, so thanks for people posting more specific details.

4) Forest - are you sure about RB in r2? I recall RB only entering the triad for r3 not r2 as this is the first time I've seen the Triad mentioned for r2. It's always been credited to Fury/Legion - never have I seen RB mentioned before. (Before r3 ofcourse).
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I guess it was Dragons who was napped with FAnG back in r 10.
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I'm not too sure if I'm happy to read 'VtS recruited Xanadu and Ely'

It wasn't exactly like that but hey, overal a good read!
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4) Forest - are you sure about RB in r2? I recall RB only entering the triad for r3 not r2 as this is the first time I've seen the Triad mentioned for r2. It's always been credited to Fury/Legion - never have I seen RB mentioned before. (Before r3 ofcourse).
He may be old, incontinent and impotent, but his memory still serves him well. We (RB) did indeed shack up with Fury back in R2, and despite our rather slow and rocky start we ended that round near the top of the rankings (I suspect C4E and CpV were also above us, but they were largely also Legion. That's my excuse anyway, ahem). A lot of people have since whinged that RB only did well due to Fury's protection, but name-checking can only defend you from the most minor of attacks. For the rest we were on our own as much as anyone else. Even if noone else believes it, we worked hard and did well to get where we did in R2.

I've seen a lot of attempts over the years here to rewrite history involving RB (if so grand a word can be applied to a computer game), and I'm not accusing anyone in this thread of doing so, so here's a brief summary of facts from my own excellent memory that are often distorted by other people, though god knows why you'd go to the trouble:

Minako and co. buggered off from Rinoa's Eclipse early in R2, and Forest snd I took over the remnants to form RB. We later allied with Fury and Legion, and ended up in a nice spot at the round's end. At no point did ICD do any spanking of us, quite the opposite, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. That's one I used to see a lot of. R3 brought the delights of Section cheating with a bot. RB command never knew anything about this since we very foolishly let them remain a very independent wing. Incredibly stupid of us. Section had only been cheating since R3 at the earliest, and it in no way had any bearing on our R2 performance. Beyond that period I know nothing, apart from R3 ending in a bit of a whipping.


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good read. Brings back memories of me being young and stupid.


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I'd still somehow like an explanation on how its a bad point of view.
I wouldn't say it's a bad point of view. It's obvious which alliances you were in (or on the side of) though. But that's to be expected - I mean why would you know much about the politics amongst smaller alliances that didn't affect you?

It doesn't really justify a negrep but shrug.
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I guess it was Dragons who was napped with FAnG back in r 10.
Ðragons , and yes we were allied with FAnG in r10.

As someone mentioned earlier it is a shame to miss out info on the smaller alliances. While who won is easy to remember the smaller alliances wars, politics and progress can be very entertaining (more so than the main fights for victory). However, it would be incredibly difficult to find people with views from all the alliances/sides in any single round though.

For my part, no round 11 history would be complete without mentioning the amazing journey of Howling Rain who started the round outside the top10 and finished 4th. Thanks to an impressive effort by Seth/Misty/Henck and many others.

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4) Forest - are you sure about RB in r2? I recall RB only entering the triad for r3 not r2 as this is the first time I've seen the Triad mentioned for r2. It's always been credited to Fury/Legion - never have I seen RB mentioned before. (Before r3 ofcourse).

I am pretty sure. I will double check a couple of sites on google and get back to you.

The triad was actually never got creditted the win in R3, only Fury/Legion, because the section wing got deleted and that screwed RB over.
The funny thing was, legion killed what was left RB (they said cause of the section thing but we all know it was for free roids). The next round, Section joined Xanadu. Xanadu asked RB to be allies. I said no (cause that would be allying section), so Xanadu went with legion, and Legion/Section teamed up to kill us again

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He may be old, incontinent and impotent, but his memory still serves him well. We (RB) did indeed shack up with Fury back in R2, and despite our rather slow and rocky start we ended that round near the top of the rankings (I suspect C4E and CpV were also above us, but they were largely also Legion. That's my excuse anyway, ahem). A lot of people have since whinged that RB only did well due to Fury's protection, but name-checking can only defend you from the most minor of attacks. For the rest we were on our own as much as anyone else. Even if noone else believes it, we worked hard and did well to get where we did in R2.

I've seen a lot of attempts over the years here to rewrite history involving RB (if so grand a word can be applied to a computer game), and I'm not accusing anyone in this thread of doing so, so here's a brief summary of facts from my own excellent memory that are often distorted by other people, though god knows why you'd go to the trouble:

Minako and co. buggered off from Rinoa's Eclipse early in R2, and Forest snd I took over the remnants to form RB. We later allied with Fury and Legion, and ended up in a nice spot at the round's end. At no point did ICD do any spanking of us, quite the opposite, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. That's one I used to see a lot of. R3 brought the delights of Section cheating with a bot. RB command never knew anything about this since we very foolishly let them remain a very independent wing. Incredibly stupid of us. Section had only been cheating since R3 at the earliest, and it in no way had any bearing on our R2 performance. Beyond that period I know nothing, apart from R3 ending in a bit of a whipping.


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Just how I remember it

On the ICD thing, i can comment on that seeing as I handled it personally.

ICD was based around a cluster (5?), and Fury had a few high ranking members there, that Virali? (or whoever the leader was), promised to kill if ICD was mass attacked.

I got pissed off that 1) We were persuaded not to hit ICD, 2) everyone was saying RB couldnt fight alone (we never at any time had military co-operations with Fury/Legion. (Not that Legion would of offered, they hated us on the most part), and 3) they were above us in the ranks.

So one night I orgainsed a big hit on them. We wiped 500 mill off there score in one night, and went above them in the ranks. There was no retal from them and they kinda went quietly into the night. It proved our point on whether we could handle a war, by taking down the only ally bigger than us.
I agree we were never in the same class as Fury/legion, though it nearly came to Fury/RB v Legion several times, but the so-called lower alliances, and the scardyness of legion always stopped that happening. Would of been a great war. My betting would be legion would hit RB for easy roids, and leave Fury to the win, and legion just couldnt take that risk.

As for the bot thing, it logged into the Section accounts and copied any incoming to an external webpage.
Now, I dont know if i ever went public on this, but I guess now no harm can be done.
At NO time could pateam catch Section doing this through any ingame actions, and they only caught Section when a member told pateam, and gave pateam the login to the external page.
Spinner then announced that RB had been closed (something he later retracted). At no time was any other RB closed for this incident.

RB command took responsibility because we SHOULD of had access to everything of Sections, but truth be told, they did everything alone, own attacks/defences, the lot. They were completely external, and tbh, I am embarressed that Section was ever invlved with RB.
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R6 - Deus Ex Machina form and bring a third block to the wars. They form a block called FoS. Xanadu form their own block called Xeta containing the previous Legion allies of Elysium and a new alliance called Silver. Fury/Legion remain with FLTTV along with ToT/Virus/Titans. War kicks off straight out of protection which is unheard of before, with Xeta launching against FLTTV. FLTTV suspends Operation Barghest (A word document for Fury victory written and discussed between Meth and Zhil - it outlined a plan to destroy Deus first and render the FoS block inert before moving onto the Xanadu block. Support surprisingly came from Titans more than Legion who were more worried about Xanadu than Deus) and attacks Xeta back. At a critical stage when FLTTV are looking to be winning, FoS join in alongside Xeta against FLTTV. Furgion are defeated for the first time in history. FoS then seek FLTTV help vs Xeta which is granted. Fury leader Synthetic Sid suggesting and implementing the tag of [NOT DEAD] which serves as a major morale boost - Fury recovers extremely well, yet just as a third possible resurgent war between FLTTV and FoS looks likely, the round ends. Wildly credited as one of the best topsy-turny round in history.
Round 6 is a round that needs a lot of detail to give any kind of picture and I don't think a paragraph suffices. This is my perspective on round 6, other Deus HC might disagree.

Deus Ex Machina formed in the latter stages of round 5, generally because Planetarion at the time was shit and we wanted some enjoyment (although specific aims vary from HC to HC) - we termed this as 'preventing stagnation'. Essentially some planetarion players with nothing better to do decided to make the game more interesting by exploiting the two blocks that existed at the time, the Fury sphere and the Xanadu sphere.

Our first (and most key) allies were hirr and ND. We designated these 2 alliances as 2 agreements we would hold sacresanct. However, we thought we'd need more firepower, so recruited NoS/WP and CELL on top to give us some kind of vague hope and chance. In its membership, Deus Ex Machina was a combination of some quality disenchanted players from a number of alliances complemented by a large bunch of hard working and reliable ex tubas. I thought we had a good balance, although we were still perhaps a bit weaker than Fury or Xanadu. On top of that we were determined to use the forums as a morale booster for our own alliance and to keep our alliance popular, which is never a bad thing. We had a fantastic set of forum posters during that round (3 of them became mods), and pretty much all of our opposition had a pretty unpleasant time on here.

Our first move was to work with Xeta against FLTV for two main reasons:

Reason 1: We thought they were weaker than FLTV.
Reason 2: We thought that if we attacked them first, they'd simply walk off and let us get killed by FLVT at a later date, while there was prospect of them being far more welcoming of an advance, as we had seen previously with Fury and Legion in round 4 and besides, we'd worked with large numbers of their command before.

Our campaign through the round was built around jesterina and Agamemnon BC'ing the operation. It was our political and military aim to have them dictate our campaign. Our general aim was to ignore the big galaxies (as they would always get defence) and leave them to other alliances (if they indeed wanted them) and hit the smaller planets they relied on for defence. By a good distance into the round FLVT had pretty much the entire top 20 galaxies.

For a while these galaxies looked pretty much impenetrable and for the earlier part of the round, i'd say there was a lot of paranoia and worry about our prospects in Deus command. Meanwhile FLVT were (as we'd hoped) chipping away at Xanadu. Little did we know it was Legion's shitness playing into our hands and preventing Barghest but as if we gave a damn. Eventually, to our relief, Fury's core galaxies gave up the ghost and they came crashing down, as they had no support. Quite honestly after giving it the big one on AD and being labelled a bunch of board spammers, to lose at this stage would have been total humiliation for us and seeing a block like FLVT come down would please any HC behind it.

This led to what I would pretty much term a last stand from FLTV - who decided to hit our core galaxies, with a particularly heavy hit on QueenDax's/Agamemnon's galaxy ending with a final sucker punch from Legion on the Shilham Empire (Patrician and myself). This was pretty much one of the most unpleasant (yet successful) nights i've had DC'ing in Planetarion. Fortunately for us, their final attack (as I was enjoying my breakfast, a fry up at 7am and pretty upset at the fact it was interrupted) wasn't as strong as they hoped and in the end I scraped enough defence by cross defending and placing backstop defence (you could attack for 3 ticks then, so defending on the 2nd or 3rd tick sometimes sufficed) on my galaxy to pretty much end their hopes. People go on about great DC's, but none of these great DC's talk about sweating furiously at 3am, nor do they talk about having breakfast interrupted. For me sweat and hunger are what it's all about.

Once they were defeated we realised we had to be true to our word and finish the job, i.e. by attacking Xanadu. This presented to us a new challenge: that of shared galaxies with Xeta and political control. What people need to realise was that this was more than just 'switching' sides but a more or less all out gamble on retaining the membership of your alliance. You may realise that this was pretty ****ing stupid. I think it was ****ing stupid, but it was what we had to do, so we did it anyway. The problem was that at the time there were quite a few players more intent on killing Fury than achieving our end aim - while some quit on principle (and that's absolutely fine), others quit because they decided that they would rather see Fury lose than have their alliance win, or their galaxy demanded it. We lost quite a few from switching along with a group/ally called nG, who seemed like a nice, capable bunch of lads. Later for some reason they formed FAnG - my view they'd have been better off running things themselves.

Xanadu caught us on the hop by about a day and declared the 72 hour notice period as agreed (although some of their people hardly observed it) but quite honestly, it made no difference as they needed to keep us off them for as long as possible to ram home their advantage. Once the war started, it was a bloody affair. NoS/CELL/WP decided to hold back for a bit, presumably to catch us up quite a bit and this was a wise and expected (if disengenuous) move. Even so, this was one of the most exciting times i've seen in PA. FLVT, a battered powerblock, with Fury/Legion defeated for the first time, working with an alliance who's HC were certifiably insane in their strategy (although we were OK with working with Fury/Legion command, who we were very familiar with), NoS/CELL/WP (disliked Fury as much as Fury disliked them), hirr and ND (although i can't say these last two liked the situation much either, even so they showed an unbelievable amount of honour and loyalty to us despite their irritation - they played planetarion the old way, and credit to them).

We took a lot of punishment for trying to achieve our aim and I'd say at the time, we had FLVT approaching what i would call a position of relative strength. Fortunately (and I won't deny we had a bit of luck that round) time was on our side in this respect, as if it hadn't, FLVT would have taken us to the cleaners. Xeta were eventually pounded into submission, especially after Aga played a few games with LDK and friends. Fury's recovery at the end of round 6 was fantastic; it was a fine example of resilience, they really took the war to Xanadu, I have to say. Xanadu however, did not stop. In the end it appeared they decided to defend their #1 player (sliekas?) and pretty much abandoned everyone else. This, to their credit, worked for them.

The key for Deus through the round at any rate was that while we didn't have the most active players in FOS, we could hold a mixed bag of players together and use them to good effect when we really needed them. We were willing to talk and work with anyone to achieve our aims and make their alliance useful to us, an analysis of in game politics to a level of paranoia, a military command that was tactically brilliant in attack and had a solid grasp of getting its alliance to defend in some fashion.

Zhil commented that there was a possibility of a second war with FLTV and FoS. This from my point of view is partly true. On the last night of the round, Sid openly admitted he was going to launch on our top player (#2 rank) for what he termed fencesitting, when from my point of view this player had no option until his galaxy came to a decision which side to go - I was satisfied with the player's explanation, Sid obviously had other ideas. He did it as he pretty much knew he could get away with it. Fortunately, Deus got what it deserved the last night of that round: the ticks stopped, the attack was aborted and we got a good night's sleep added with the amusement of Fury's luck deserting them. It was lucky, but I'd be a liar if I said I didn't enjoy that. From my point of view, had the round lasted longer, we'd have happily gone after NoS and WP with Fury and cemented a victory for ourselves. I'd perhaps argue that round 7 was simply a continuation of round 6, except with most of the Deus command playing within Fury and Legion.

The biggest question is who won? Some people say Deus, because of our aims and that 'nobody won' - I find this explanation absurd: achieving what people believed to be our aims does not amount to winning a round of planetarion. In terms of score, it's difficult to pin point, we have no measure of alliance scores and in a round so chaotic which was more like an unfinished symphony (if it wasn't for physical limitations round 6 could probably have lasted a couple of weeks longer with ease), I'm unsure if they could have been representative. In terms of dominance of galaxies we see perhaps NoS/WP having an edge with a top galaxy, but then you have Deus presence near everywhere in the top galaxies, Xanadu have the top planet and you also have Fury who were pretty much the only thing resembling a working alliance by the end of round 6. You cannot point to a number of statistics that obviously bestow 'winner' upon one alliance.

For me it's down to individual opinion who wins. I'd say Deus simply because we were the alliance who largely dictated the way the round went and we were allowed to push forward our agenda onto the universe at large and didn't lose at any point in the process. People are free to disagree. Even so, after what Fury, Legion and Xanadu served up in round 5, I think they got their just desserts in all getting beaten up quite severely. Regardless of this, there were some magnificent performances from a few alliances in round 6, it's the best game i've ever played by a long distance because it was tremendously difficult and nothing was ever certain, which in turn is exciting. I'd never want to play it again though, as the suffering involved and the time required to do well is just far far too great.

Round 6 was wonderfully ridiculous and while sentimentality might point towards round 1 and 2, I think this round was so much better, simply because we had entertainment coupled with a very high standard in the way alliances were organised.
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Jesus Christ those posts are insanely long.

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round 6 was the best

I can say I started a micro-war in cluster 9. Whole PA defended and attacked there, this before the day when xeta attacked all furgion top 10. rocked
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I am pretty sure. I will double check a couple of sites on google and get back to you.

The triad was actually never got creditted the win in R3, only Fury/Legion, because the section wing got deleted and that screwed RB over.
The funny thing was, legion killed what was left RB (they said cause of the section thing but we all know it was for free roids). The next round, Section joined Xanadu. Xanadu asked RB to be allies. I said no (cause that would be allying section), so Xanadu went with legion, and Legion/Section teamed up to kill us again

Jonni/MrJ really screwed me over
This sounds about correct. We had some (former) Xanadu-people in RB (eg. Addict, vipi, Jonni and some Section-members), so we thought RB would make a fine ally



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For me it's down to individual opinion who wins. I'd say Deus simply because we were the alliance who largely dictated the way the round went and we were allowed to push forward our agenda onto the universe at large and didn't lose at any point in the process. People are free to disagree. Even so, after what Fury, Legion and Xanadu served up in round 5, I think they got their just desserts in all getting beaten up quite severely. Regardless of this, there were some magnificent performances from a few alliances in round 6, it's the best game i've ever played by a long distance because it was tremendously difficult and nothing was ever certain, which in turn is exciting. I'd never want to play it again though, as the suffering involved and the time required to do well is just far far too great.
But, but don't blame us.. Xanadu hardly played during round 5 (as ordered by the HC) . There simply was no point in playing being quite outnumbered and our coords-list out in the open . I could ofcourse apologize for that to the PA community of those days... But I won't

On a personal note.
It was a nice round (6) to play. A difficult one for me, as it was the first (and last) time that I didn't play on Xanadu's side (officially). That even turned into an issue in NewDawn, when Zhukov (I believe it was him) decided to attack with Furgion and I defended Sliekas against the very same attack. Like you said, ND were a bit annoyed with being on Furgion's side (ND and Xanadu had been friends since r2). Utlimately it was decided to simply focus on Furgion and to a lesser extent on XeTa (even trying to avoid Xanadu the best we could) as "our" war was with Furgion (I even suicided my fleet attacking Furgion planets in-cluster )
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politically rd 6 was probably the most fluid rd and to be honest no 1 alliance won that rd i believe the game was the winner that rd because as lokken said it could have gone on for another month

on a personal note , it was fun being on xanadu server waiting for tp every evening , especially when i compare tp nowadays , the 1st night i was there was truely an eyeopener seeing full clusters being claimed in a matter of minutes was awesome
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on a personal note , it was fun being on xanadu server waiting for tp every evening , especially when i compare tp nowadays , the 1st night i was there was truely an eyeopener seeing full clusters being claimed in a matter of minutes was awesome
yea back then pa had like 20k planets i think. that was fun.
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