HC - nah...

[MotoX]

When a company delivers a bad result in the end of a year the CEO:s mostly have to leave cos of the ”company board” votes them out.
They discuss and come to the conclusion that they need fresh blood to lead the company to progress and show profits for the shareholders… = real life

Planetarion = Alliances who round after round wins nothing and always ends up as losers but still keep there ranks intact!? (not counting the factor ; we do this because of the community spirit).

Sure many of those alliances are kept up by the dedication from the founders (usually self proclaimed HC:s) but they still gone be losers round after round……..

I seek in Planetarion more alliance members who got the spirit/guts to rise and question the leadership of their alliance.

I once where a member in an alliance who fought for independence – like, we are not gone allie with anyone cos we are strong enough alone …… and every round we got beaten down to the “bone”. Every new round it was the same HC saying the same phrase – we have been here since the start of PA and we are here for the fun of it!?
We ended up as beaten sods and half member base left when the round was over?

Anarchists show your faces and demand changes!

To be a part of an alliance for the first time is fun, cos you gone meet this fun community with loads of nice people to chat with, but when the first wave arrives with overwhelming firepower it’s not that fun anymore…

To you “old” HC:s – let go of your egos and let the new “blood” rule even if they make mistakes. That will both encourage new players and renew the PA as a game.

[Morden]

If they lack the will or the courage to try to make changes and grasp power, then they should and probably never be in the position to have it.

at the end of the day, if they do not like it that they do not win, then they should do something about it, if they do not then it is as much there fault as it is the leaderships.

[BoredOfThis]

You can't compare alliances with a company

Alliances don't sell anything

Alliances don't pay their CEO's

You should think of CEO's more as shareholders than 'executives'

It is stupid and blind MoToX.

[[Smurf]Pies]

your late with the april fool.

[Tis]

Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

You can't compare alliances with a company

Alliances don't sell anything

Alliances don't pay their CEO's

You should think of CEO's more as shareholders than 'executives'

It is stupid and blind MoToX.

Well, it wouldnt surprise me to learn Yeh used to demand a salary of roids off quha members

[lokken]

Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

You can't compare alliances with a company

Alliances don't sell anything

Alliances don't pay their CEO's

You should think of CEO's more as shareholders than 'executives'

It is stupid and blind MoToX.

Ok think of it this way.

HC's are stockbrokers, who are handling their member's investments be it money for the account, time etc. and they've got to provide them with a competent enough service to be successful, or at least have fun. If they are miserably crap, just like your stockbroker, you'ld want to change them before your investment is pissed away.

And wasn't Fury led by an executive?

[BoredOfThis]

this is a fantasy game, with fantasy titles.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by BoredOfThis

this is a fantasy game, with fantasy titles.

MoToX, I stepped down as CEO to give others a chance, I think alot of alliances have changed leadership during their history. But it doesn't meant that an old HC (like myself, been HC for 8 rounds) are old fashioned and less creative then new ones.

nway, that's my opinion about it

rgds Kj

[Hicks]

Haha in 8 rounds you've never won, you suck Kje :/

MoToX is a top guy, better than posting this thread :/

[Chika]

Originally Posted by MotoX

When a company delivers a bad result in the end of a year the CEO:s mostly have to leave cos of the ”company board” votes them out.
They discuss and come to the conclusion that they need fresh blood to lead the company to progress and show profits for the shareholders… = real life

Planetarion = Alliances who round after round wins nothing and always ends up as losers but still keep there ranks intact!? (not counting the factor ; we do this because of the community spirit).

Sure many of those alliances are kept up by the dedication from the founders (usually self proclaimed HC:s) but they still gone be losers round after round……..

I seek in Planetarion more alliance members who got the spirit/guts to rise and question the leadership of their alliance.

I once where a member in an alliance who fought for independence – like, we are not gone allie with anyone cos we are strong enough alone …… and every round we got beaten down to the “bone”. Every new round it was the same HC saying the same phrase – we have been here since the start of PA and we are here for the fun of it!?
We ended up as beaten sods and half member base left when the round was over?

Anarchists show your faces and demand changes!

To be a part of an alliance for the first time is fun, cos you gone meet this fun community with loads of nice people to chat with, but when the first wave arrives with overwhelming firepower it’s not that fun anymore…

To you “old” HC:s – let go of your egos and let the new “blood” rule even if they make mistakes. That will both encourage new players and renew the PA as a game.

What your saying makes sense. And to a certain point, some HC's are old and out-dated. But hey, if you are having fun what the heck? That shud be everyones goal. And there is also the option to leave the self appointed leadership and take ur friends with u

[TheACE]

nhaaa, u have to have respect for your HC like u have respect for your king

[Leshy]

You only dispose of your HC if you feel there are better candidates for the position. You don't collectively tell your HC to bugger off and then come to the conclusion no one else is going to do it, are you?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Hicks

Haha in 8 rounds you've never won, you suck Kje :/

MoToX is a top guy, better than posting this thread :/

neither have you, you've been an officer. Something everyone can, nothing special about it ...

now stop flaming at me ...

rgds Kj

[Bashar]

The way I always think of alliances is that the command team is the company, and the members the customers. This is a closer analogy to the truth as it does hold. Both the command and the members want something off each other. The command wants loyalty and hard work to help get their name to the top. The members want security and reliability to help get hteir planets to the top. If the HC don't get this, they need to work harder, have new innovations and marketing (propaganda or whatever) to get them more members, and members of a higher calibre. If the members don't get what they want, then they go elsewhere for it.

This is how I always thought of command, and if you go by this analogy, then internal revolts are impractical (which in reality they are, the HC control the servers tools and everything, and do they can only be got rid of if they want to go) and unnecessary, as if the HC don't do the job well, they just find they have no members, and the alliance folds.

[Chaos]

Alliances normaly die cuz their HC's are "Burned Out" , not cuz they sux at HC'ing.

the problem with your idea, is that there isn't anybody else to take over.
at least not often. it takes alot of dedication and time to be a HC.
when many alliances have a hard enough time trying to get ppl to agree to DC.
then why on earth do you think a shit load of HC's are just waiting to Lead you to greatness ?

an Alliance is a comunity. it can only survive by all members doing their bit. and some ppl that are able to contribute more help out by doing extra jobs.

being a HC or a BC isn't just a title that looks kewl. it's about being able to contribute to your comunity.
you should be glad someone actualy has the time and energy to do the HC job. (or BC. A hand to all BC/DC's GREAT WORK... you don't get enough credit)

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by Chaos

(or BC. A hand to all BC/DC's GREAT WORK... you don't get enough credit)

[Anihilat0r]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Alliances normaly die cuz their HC's are "Burned Out" , not cuz they sux at HC'ing.

the problem with your idea, is that there isn't anybody else to take over.
at least not often. it takes alot of dedication and time to be a HC.
when many alliances have a hard enough time trying to get ppl to agree to DC.
then why on earth do you think a shit load of HC's are just waiting to Lead you to greatness ?

This is an interesting thread for me.

I was offered leadership of EnTitY after a coup d'etat by some of the then HC's.
Obviously they were not happy with the leader at that point.
I lead EnTitY for several rounds and then 'burned out'.
Nobody stepped forward to take my position and thus I closed the alliance.

Although I do say so myself; I do not believe I 'sucked' at HCing.
I cannot remember my 'authority' in EnTitY being seriously challenged at any point.

[Ragana]

aaaah Yeh

I remember launching tons of mechs to him in MW

[Rumad]

any alliance need commited volunteers with time and love and sometimes money.

Unless candidates make themselves known it is a obvious that an alliance will fold. From this usually new alliances will come forth.

I think comparing the analogy of an alliance to a corporation is a little off. Its not a for profit organisation or even to break even. Its a labour of love and friendships and if ou no longer have time or money it means the current infrastructure is usually dissolves and with it the alliance and its name.

I think a better analogy is a not for profit organisation. We have a working farm by me, its not for profit, but the money is drying up and will soon fold, when it does all the volunteers will disband - because the commonality of the farm will no longer be there. Most wont have the resources to start up a new farm, so they will look for other places to be, new friends and new activities to undertake.

This isn't a bad thing - its the nature of the society we live in. Displacement happens in career's, homes and in social lives. Its all part and parcel of todays society.

[Hicks]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

neither have you, you've been an officer. Something everyone can, nothing special about it ...

now stop flaming at me ...

rgds Kj

Yea but at least I won lots as an officer.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Hicks

Yea but at least I won lots as an officer.

yes, wow, be proud of that you ... winning officer ... funny

rgds Kj

[Tis]

Good players often have a choice... they can be members of a winning team, or the leader of a losing team.