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10 Nov 2005, 01:12
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Blowing up Jordan
Obviously Jordan is not nice enough to Arab muslims as Al-Q (apparently) has decided to start terror bombing Jordan. www.msnbc.com/id/9979747
Is there anyone that they don't want to blow up?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
the moon?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
They blow up the World Trade Center. Okay, I get it. " We don't like the great Satan."
They blow up busses in London. Okay, I get it. "We don't like anyone who likes the great Satan."
They plan to blow up things in Australia. Okay, I get it. "We are going to get that djbasstard."
The start rioting and burning up things in France. "Okay, I get it. "They are French, for allah's sake."
The blow up Iraqis. Okay, I get it. "They are shiite shites."
They blow up Jordanians. I don't get it.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
"They blow up busses in London. Okay, I get it. "We don't like anyone who likes the great Satan.""
Id imagine this is more to do with the UK's 'meddling' in Middle Eastern affairs for the past 150 odd years.
Plus Jordan is a traditionally pro-britain nation because we er created it whilst carving up the middle east. (therefore pro US)
Its only a matter of time before more of our allies are targetted in some idiotic attempt at creating cracks in the alliances our two nations have built across the world.
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10 Nov 2005, 01:25
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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They blow up Jordanians. I don't get it.
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Actually.. It was 3 hotels were tourists were living. Like Radison SAS, I would suppose they had a decent amount of scandinavians inside.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I am not too sure if 'they' are all fighting the same war.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
dda is american, Silversmoke, don't mess up the simplicity now.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
IT bears the Alquaida hallmarks apparently so infact 'they' are....
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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Originally Posted by Nadar
Actually.. It was 3 hotels were tourists were living. Like Radison SAS, I would suppose they had a decent amount of scandinavians inside.
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Ah, Norwegians. Now I get it.
Also, the BBC says that most of the casualties are most likely Jordanian. One bomb was in a reception for 300 wedding guests. That sounds unlikely to be a group of scandanavians.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
The Grand Hyatt, Radisson and Days Inn hotels.
Those were the targets.
do any of them seem traditionally jordainian to you?
Dear dear dda I do wish that you would have learned by now to use the bbc for news. It does make life so much simpler if one has moderate journalism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4423008.stm btw
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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IT bears the Alquaida hallmarks apparently so infact 'they' are....
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If it turns out to be a group of radical Lutherans, I will post a thread in appology.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I thought this was going to be a thread about a new line of sex dolls
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
damn your american news sources.
I BELIEVED IT FOR A MINUTE.
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10 Nov 2005, 01:46
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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A wedding reception with 300 guests sounds like a local group to me.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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A wedding reception with 300 guests sounds like a local group to me.
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the high pitch squeak is giving me a headache. can you stop scraping the bottom of the barrell?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I'm not sure of your point.
It was a group of American hotels so thus it is understandable that they would be attacked?
Jordan isn't as anti-west as much of the rest of the Islamic and/or Arab world and thus an understandable target?
I am just a whinner for decrying the deliberate targeting of civilians?
Really, what are you trying to tell me. I am, as always, ready to be instructed.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
read the bbc article.
It really does help.
in fact. read it twice.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I have read the article twice.
Now, I would still like to understand YOUR point.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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Is there anyone that they don't want to blow up?
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Cumbernauld maybe.
The terrorists dont wanna improve the place after all!!!
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I think it's too simplistic to make a thread saying "They blow up Jordanians. I don't get it.". This latest attack is no big surprise. There have been plenty of bombings in Egypt, Iragi citizens are targetted in Iraq, muslims died in the london bombings. Indeed an attack on Jordan has been expected for some time.
The latest attack isn't a change of policy.
If you want to say: terrorist attacks are always tragic then please do.
But we aren't going to get anywhere in terms of actually stopping future terrorist attacks if all we do is try to mock the terrorists or make ourselves deliberately ignorant.
An ostrich with his head in the sand makes himself more of a target.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I am exposed to useless death on daily basis.
I don't get it.
Never will.
Sometimes I just feel the need to express my bewiderment.
The more people which are killed by such useless murders, the greater my bewilderment.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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I am exposed to useless death on daily basis.
I don't get it.
Never will.
Sometimes I just feel the need to express my bewiderment.
The more people which are killed by such useless murders, the greater my bewilderment.
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If I were you I would modify this to saying "I am opposed to all useless deaths even those caused by the american government"
before Zhukov get's here and starts accusing you of the debarcle in Panama and the Iraq war. He can be very persistent. You'll thank me in the long run
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I particularly am disturbed by situations where people seem to kill their own.
I have yet to get over the American Civil War.
The killing of Arabs by Arabs in the name of Arab unity. The killing of Muslims by Muslims in the name of Allah just runs counter to what they say they want. It also seems odd that the people of these groups are being awfully quiet about the whole thing. Are they that easily intimidated or do they believe that these bombers are actually going to make their lives better some how?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
you can't assume that islamist terrorists think the way that you do my dear friend.
it's no more complicated than the fact that you know I think differently from you.
I'm afraid that I have a firmly held personal belief that I am a god. the phrase polytheistic deity sounds far more grown up, but it's such a childish belief that I think i'll stick with 'I am a god'. that's one difference between us my friend. I am always disturbed by humans killing humans. I don't find 'people killing their own' more disturbing. I don't really think in terms of 'kinds' I think of every mortal life as a beautiful tapestry of possibility. killing a human is therefore akin to destroying a piece of art. So that's a second difference between us.
The bombings in Jordan are awful. All bombings are awful.
P.S. I should add that I think of Jordan as particularly British. Their ruling royal family is always educated here. Britain has always prefered Arabia over Israel. It seems to me an irony of history that Jordan was (most probably) attacked for being America's biggest ally in the middle east, when the only reason that Jordan supports the US is because Britain asked them to.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I'm serious, we should really start a new forum as I suggested here: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...ighlight=forum
We could name it after JJ's suggestion:
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what about 'bomb blast bonanzas and other assorted disaster events.'
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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I particularly am disturbed by situations where people seem to kill their own.
I have yet to get over the American Civil War.
The killing of Arabs by Arabs in the name of Arab unity. The killing of Muslims by Muslims in the name of Allah just runs counter to what they say they want. It also seems odd that the people of these groups are being awfully quiet about the whole thing. Are they that easily intimidated or do they believe that these bombers are actually going to make their lives better some how?
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I'm not an expert on terrorist mentalities but from what I gather they don't feel like they're targeting their "own", they view Muslims who are leading normal lives and have different interpretations of the religion at best as misguided and in need of conversion and at worst no better than the infidels in the West.
Also I'm not sure how these groups would go about not being quiet about it ? John Terrorist can hardly call a press conference and invite the worlds media in for a chat about current events. What would make their lives better ?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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I thought katie price was going to get her come uppence. This thread disappoints me.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
In my last politics essay i said jordan was a reasonably stable country
I got a distinction
Gullible markers are great
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10 Nov 2005, 04:15
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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In my last politics essay i said jordan was a reasonably stable country
I got a distinction
Gullible markers are great
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it is a stable country.
we've had bombs in london for the last 35 years
doesn't make a country unstable
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10 Nov 2005, 07:11
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
attributing the riots in france to Al-Queda is lol.
We need a private-eye warballs section.
AQ made my council tax go up.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I think they blew up the wrong Jordan
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I pissed off my girlfriend I think, basically I went round to see her, and asked her if she was alright, she normally turns round and goes ye im fine, never ever saying no. However she said no. I asked why and she said the bombs in jordan, it then clicked shes from jordan, I then said everythings fine, your friends and family will be ok dont worry about it. I then made my first mistake by going anyway surely they would only be targetting people like me after blowing up the foreign hotels (it appears I was wrong) anyway she kind of ignored me and we carried on watching tv. I then asked her if she wants to read a bit of this comedy about a Funeral Parlour ive tried writing. She then looked at me, and said "I cant deal with this at the moment" and then went to her room.
So moral of the story is dont try and change the subject when your homeland has been bombed or dont crack a joke or make stupid comments to non brits. Anyway i promptly left after that, hah and she wants me to go shopping with her on friday. What a way to get out of it.
Finally terrible what happened in Jordan, terrible.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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I think they blew up the wrong Jordan
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If you blew up Jordan any more she'd go bang.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
I'd go bang in Jordan
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10 Nov 2005, 12:49
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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They blow up Jordanians. I don't get it.
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As if these people actually care who or what they blow up in their adolescent-style hatred of the universe in general.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
ah, another desert-country in trouble.
how tragic.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
keep laughing clog boy, rising sea levels don't threaten them
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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keep laughing clog boy, rising sea levels don't threaten them
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Or anyone with an even remotely capable army, either.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
Or a man with small piece of tissue with the word "boo" written on it.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
If there is one thing that history has shown us, it's that people don't like collaborators.
If there are two things then the other is that people don't like Koen.
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i hope you choke in my green blobs.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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I was trying to find something sexual to reply to this comment with. The best I came up with was "choking to death in green manboobs sounds an awful way to go" Any takers?
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
Sorry for the bump, but found this article from Haaretz mildly interesting
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Report: Jordanian spy agency replaces Mossad as key CIA ally
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
Jordan's General Intelligence Directorate has become the CIA's most
important and effective counter-terrorism ally in the Middle East, a
standing once held by the Mossad, the Los Angeles Times reported in its
Friday editions.
The newspaper reported that Jordan and the U.S. have cooperated in the
interrogation of suspected terrorists, the methods of which have been
subject to widespread media criticism due to the alleged use of torture.
The report added that the GID's ties with the CIA have grown intimately
closer since the September 11 terrorist attacks in the U.S.
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Jordan receives annual military and economic aid from the U.S. totalling
$450 million. Analysts believe the sum does not include the U.S. financing
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
To be fair, I would imagine that no matter what country was attacked, you could find a 'plausible' motive connected with the US if you looked hard enough.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
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To be fair, I would imagine that no matter what country was attacked, you could find a 'plausible' motive connected with the US if you looked hard enough.
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Re: Blowing up Jordan
Setting off explosives at Tourist/ vaguely Western related sites in Jordan is hardly surprising, no more surprising than the many recent bombs set off at similarily themes locations in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Kuwait.
These nations, for all their intertwining of religion and law, are still states nominally run by secular government under secular law, or shall we say, more secular than Islamicist fundamentalists would like.
Attacks against targets such as this decrease foreign tourism and investment, as well as decreasing foreign skilled workers (a significant element in the Saudi economy), and show the nominally secular authorities to be powerless. This (it is hoped) will drive a wedge between Middle-Eastern governments and the omni-present Western influence.
The nation most hit by Islamicist terrorist attacks (outise Iraq of course) is Saudi Arabia, which is also the origin of and largest single contributor to a huge percentage of the world's Islamicist terror. The intention here is to depose the Hause of Saud and replace it with a religious government, entirely and completely hostile to the west. (as well as Jews, Christians, Sihks, foreigners, women, etc)
Compared to that ideal, Jordan is way off, and an emenently bombable target.
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Oh, and Jordan is conveniently nearby as well. Much easier to drive a truck across the Iraq/ Jordan border than fly personel, weapons and explosives into Europe or the US.
Edit again to add:
It is also possible that Al Qaida got pissed off that no matter how often you shoot, stab, blow up, electrocute or drown Mike Myers, he always comes back for a sequel:
(From CBC Newsworld)
" Moustapha Akkad, a film director and producer of the 'Halloween' horror films, died Friday from wounds sustained in Jordan's hotel bombings. "
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