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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 15:00   #51
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

not easy to be immune if you combine it with the other suggestion I made,

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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

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Actually because covoping is so unbalanced that is not true. Yes you have to be active to do it, I concede that, but there is no threat to a covoping planet, it can't be attacked or stopped in what it's doing, it preys on the inactive, if all 900 players were active in the game then covop bank hacking would not be a viable strategy. Good covopers can fill a galaxy fund extremely quickly and boost players, avoid incs and artificially hide score via the fund.

Covoping itself is the issue, not the people abusing it. I think that the pa team needs to overhaul covops and make it more inline with the rest of the game. I made a suggestion a while back about it but I think the main point should be that covoping needs to turned on its head and be basically raise in its effectiveness the more a planet is line with the avg score of its galaxy/alliance/universe (your choice). The culture of avoidance by staying below bash needs to be removed. People need to play the game, not hide from it. Covop planets need to be 'killable'
Two things, firstly it can be stopped, hire guards/sec centres. Secondly you shouldn't be punished for being active. i dont know why you would want to breed a culture into this game that allows less input and less game time just so you can rank high. time spent on the game should be rewarded. noobs will always be noobs, theres no way to stop noobs popping up, people make mistakes. i wish that the game would stop dumbing itself down to help out a few thick noobs who dont grasp how to play the game. this modern age of gamers are too used to respawns and save points, back in the day where perma-death was the norm people would grind away until they became better. but now they just quit if its too hard and there are no cheats.
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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 15:46   #53
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

Why not also add in some following features to make the game more fair towards everyone:

- No more than 2 top alliances per gal, to remove fencegals.

- No more allowing more than 3 planets to attack the same planet the same tick, so that nobody can escort.

- Planets can only defend the same planets 10 times per round, to limit defensive support planets.

Should even out everyones chances etc.
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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 15:56   #54
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

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Why not?
Why? Cov opping in this form is a glorified full support planet that, within the rules of the game, give up everything they have to boost others. I like it as a personal tactic, but it is too much if the stolen res can be given to another planet. The sole purpose of a planet should not be to donate all their resources away, it's silly to think that's the best use of a planet. And no, having less fleets in gal is not a real drawback, because value wise the same amount of ships are there.
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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 16:04   #55
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

I made nothing but Widows in r49. I never attacked. I gave up everything I had to boost others. Do you think that should be made ineffective too?
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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 16:15   #56
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

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Two things, firstly it can be stopped, hire guards/sec centres. Secondly you shouldn't be punished for being active. i dont know why you would want to breed a culture into this game that allows less input and less game time just so you can rank high. time spent on the game should be rewarded. noobs will always be noobs, theres no way to stop noobs popping up, people make mistakes. i wish that the game would stop dumbing itself down to help out a few thick noobs who dont grasp how to play the game. this modern age of gamers are too used to respawns and save points, back in the day where perma-death was the norm people would grind away until they became better. but now they just quit if its too hard and there are no cheats.
It can be stopped if you as the target are active... the issue is that these 'abusive' covop planets, who's sole intention it is is to feed other planets dont prey on those ppl they pick on all the inactive planets, scooping up huge amounts of free resources with absolutely no danger to their own planet. You can be a covop planet, have 0 roids, score under 50k for 300 ticks and yet be able to stick way over 70 mill a week in a galaxy fund which can be distributed out to other planets in your galaxy. Yes as people say this means the covop planet cant help defend but then on a swap of that it also doesnt get incommings.

Covops is a half finished project which has elements (namely bank hack) which are hugely overpowered in the current state of the game.

You cannot comment about the state of gamers and make out that these guys and girls (like the ones in 3:3) are some kind of breed of old skool gaming hero when what they are doing is avoiding playing the actual game. A game which involves building ships and attacking other planets to gain their asteroids to increase income in its simpliest form.

Covops needs removing completely or sorting out so it links in better with the rest of the universe. As i stated maybe make covops more effective the better the planet is... so a planet with 0 roids and less than 50k score is capped to 5k income per bank hack. You are then still allowing covops and the joy of covoping a player but you are making them take part in the game, rather than avoiding it
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Unread 7 Apr 2013, 17:25   #57
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you missed my point

i can get security as can others but a cov-op planet cant really be touched, especially when staying tiny because they are donating planets to top 10
I think you missed the point ,if anyone worth hitting with covop was immune then those that chose to play as cov-toppers don't have decent targets to hit which means they no longer get the resources to donate to other players as quick
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Unread 8 Apr 2013, 02:42   #58
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It can be stopped if you as the target are active... the issue is that these 'abusive' covop planets, who's sole intention it is is to feed other planets dont prey on those ppl they pick on all the inactive planets, scooping up huge amounts of free resources with absolutely no danger to their own planet. You can be a covop planet, have 0 roids, score under 50k for 300 ticks and yet be able to stick way over 70 mill a week in a galaxy fund which can be distributed out to other planets in your galaxy. Yes as people say this means the covop planet cant help defend but then on a swap of that it also doesnt get incommings.

Covops is a half finished project which has elements (namely bank hack) which are hugely overpowered in the current state of the game.

You cannot comment about the state of gamers and make out that these guys and girls (like the ones in 3:3) are some kind of breed of old skool gaming hero when what they are doing is avoiding playing the actual game. A game which involves building ships and attacking other planets to gain their asteroids to increase income in its simpliest form.

Covops needs removing completely or sorting out so it links in better with the rest of the universe. As i stated maybe make covops more effective the better the planet is... so a planet with 0 roids and less than 50k score is capped to 5k income per bank hack. You are then still allowing covops and the joy of covoping a player but you are making them take part in the game, rather than avoiding it
So what you're saying is that covoppers can't bottom feed and hit noobs? only noobs can hit noobs? Why not create a multiverse with all the pro players in one and all the noobs in the other? if you're going to mismanage your planet to such a degree that allows you to be covopped on a regular basis you deserve everything you get, if you can't be arsed to hire sec guards or adjust population settings, stiff, its a choice you make on how you run your planet, as is covopping. think of it in real world terms, cov opping is like agriculture providing food to the population helping them grow. if everyone was made to have their own little garden in their backyard as their only food source they would be limited to what they could have by the amount of space they had.
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Unread 8 Apr 2013, 08:21   #59
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

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I made nothing but Widows in r49. I never attacked. I gave up everything I had to boost others. Do you think that should be made ineffective too?
That's the definition of a support planet.
In the meantime the guy playing with is girlfriend or his kid is forbidden to send her/him a def fleet...
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

I was intag. I broke no rules. I was not a support planet in the MH sense of the word.
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

is the support planet rule still in place ?
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

there's a lot of crap here so i havent read through it all. however, i find it amusing that people equate this to ship donations. ship donations is bad for one player (who prolly does care or is a multi), donating covop res is for the team effort of the galaxy.

people have been doing this for years as well. why is it suddenly a massive issue?

it seems like a large group of players think everyone should play PA in the exact manner that they dictate. any new ideas or new strategies are instantly poo poo'd just because they didnt think of it?

i would, also, like to point out. covoping is massively boring, so these people are sacrificing their possible enjoyment of the game to try and have a bit of fun with their galmates.

final remark, anyone can do it so stop bitching. if you can't beat them, join them.
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

I didn't read your reply but i think you're wrong...
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

Cov Opping is not the problem, The problem is why arent you Roiding the people that get the 50m donations the night after he's almost always 400-500k value ahead of everyone and thus you can roid his ass to the ground and take a nice chunk of xp. meanwhile his gal has 2 less people to be defending him because they are cov oppers with under 50k value.

Soo Kai instead of saying its unfair and cheating how about you find a way to beat it? Guards stop the cov oppers and attacks stop the flagship planet from becoming huge after his donation he's only going to cap 15% max each landing. Drop him to 100 roids and he'll a) have to init back to 300 and b) take 4-5 nights to regain those roids. And when he does you can join roid him again and each time you do you are getting 10x difficulty on those roids so on a 700 roid landing you'll grab~~ 400-500k in gains.


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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

"hmm let me look for a target... look at this guy same roids as everyone else but 3 times the value, I CHOOSE YOU!"

btw I'm not against covopping but your post was ridiculus tia
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

You get a team up and you roid him. He's got the xp to give away why the f*ck not. If he's gona be Way ahead of everyone in value than a 5 man team landing for 250k pre tick 300 is a good land.
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"IM NOT ACTIVE/SMART/PRO ENOUGH TO PLAY LIKE THESE GUYS, LETS REMOVE FEATURES SO I HAVE A CHANCE OF BEING A TOP PLANET."

is basically what im gettin from this
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Re: cheating or not cheating ?

You only need to have alert level decline on any successfull covert op and covop planets are no longer immune
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