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8 Apr 2016, 16:15
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
I PMed your hcs with the proofs of him/someone in Rogues was cheating, and was told to fck off.
The point being you "did not know of anyone cheating" while in rogues, but now ReaperSix knows he is cheating when in another tag? Come on man, stop embarrising urself
Morden? Fck knows, a rogues that was "innocent" and closed
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Ahh Morden, sorry about the confusion I'm sure there was a prominent moridin or similar nick in the early rounds.
As to the rest we have been through this in another thread. It is also irrelevant to what you said as you were talking about the initial letting someone into the alliance. And I presume even you don't think the rogues HC had knowledge of cheating before said cheating happened.
Finally for it to have any relevance the person who told you to fck off has to have been Reaper - if he was not presented any evidence, and I am certain said evidence was not passed on the the HC group as a whole, then how can he be held accountable for something he never knew about?
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8 Apr 2016, 16:17
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Re: R66 who will win
I was spot on. If ult can't win, they'll do whatever they can to make sure a friendly ally wins.
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8 Apr 2016, 16:19
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
Finally for it to have any relevance the person who told you to fck off has to have been Reaper - if he was not presented any evidence, and I am certain said evidence was not passed on the the HC group as a whole, then how can he be held accountable for something he never knew about?
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How could you be so certain about that? Unless Reaper told you i mean..
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8 Apr 2016, 16:22
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Re: R66 who will win
Because I was in the Hc and did not know anything beyond a suspicious steal until Morden was closed. Of course I can't be certain, it is possible that there were 'kitchen cabinet' groups or that reaper was individually consulted by whoever bb contacted. However given reapers rapid reaction to finding that 'jeffbro' was actually not a person I doubt he would have sat on allegations of cheating. So no not certain but reasonably sure.
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8 Apr 2016, 16:27
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Krypton
At the end of the day like I said previously, in our experience BF's def always was better than Ult's ever was, even taking into account race selection this round.
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I am so late to the party here,
but...
LOL
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8 Apr 2016, 17:14
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Re: R66 who will win
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Every other round also. Ult are worthless without 30-40 extra planets.
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Astatores/Mercenaries has existed for 2 rounds pal...
And is a reaction to being constantly outnumbered for being, well us... so we started accepting applicants even tho we were full.
And the issue was never that 2 allies blocked against Ultores+Astatores, that we would have no problem handling
4 tags on the same time for almost half the round? yeah, was that even fun for you?
It is quite clear that some allies prefer to stay blocked against Ultores even though they could go for the win themselves if they break the block and make the politics more fluid - Pingu HC even claimed on AD that last round was a victory because ultores didn't win, so the aim is no longer to win for some allies - only to make one alliance lose. This all applies to past rounds of course, Ultores has done a minimum of politics this round so we sent Chimpie on vacation.
So I fail to see much difference between Astatores/Mercenaries and some of the so called normal tags.
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8 Apr 2016, 18:02
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
This is a numbers game, always has been, always will be.
I know your a dinosaur, but pkease stop barking like your a dog?
The "pain barrier" is the amount of incs a ally can suffer without having uncovered calls at allie eta.
Lets say that its at 40 fleets for FL/CT/P3ng.
If bows send half their fleets at either allie they will reach 30-50 unless they are ptargetting, basicly enough for any alliance to cover IF they have no other incs.
IF ND/P3ng/CT/FL is all ptargetting Ult, Norse not attacking and HR being "neutral", where would it be worthwhile to hit?
Ult will very rarely kingmake another tag
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You quoted me, and then said some words, but they don't appear to have much to do with my words, so I'm not sure what you're doing.
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8 Apr 2016, 18:04
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Re: R66 who will win
whats new!!
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8 Apr 2016, 19:00
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Re: R66 who will win
Its funny how Ult/Merc tries to land fakes on me while their fleet page view leaks more than a japanese prostitute.
l2p
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Re: R66 who will win
I dont think Ult/Merc specificly made it their goal to land on you.
Dont be too full for yourself
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Re: R66 who will win
Sure.. They sent 15 fleets on me just cause.. why not right?
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xoca
Its funny how Ult/Merc tries to land fakes on me while their fleet page view leaks more than a japanese prostitute.
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Hilarious, so you have all these leaks yet your planet is shit?
God you must be awful at this piss easy game.
L2P yourself.
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8 Apr 2016, 19:40
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Re: R66 who will win
Like a give a f u ck about this retard round ayyyyy
I wanted to say something funny about you and/or your ally benneh but i dont even know where you are playing.. Thats how much i care about you :|
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
It is quite clear that some allies prefer to stay blocked against Ultores even though they could go for the win themselves if they break the block and make the politics more fluid - Pingu HC even claimed on AD that last round was a victory because ultores didn't win, so the aim is no longer to win for some allies - only to make one alliance lose. This all applies to past rounds of course, Ultores has done a minimum of politics this round so we sent Chimpie on vacation.
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Why do we need to keep going through these things; what does this have to do with this round? Are four alliances blocking you at the moment?
And for the record I suspect that claim was mine not 'Pingu HC' (incidentally we no longer have Pingu - replaced by p3nguin) as the stated goal at the start of last round was good planet and gal ranks not ally win for p3n, and yes our involvement in ally politics was to be an attempt to keep you off the top. Any attempt to go for first came some way into the round as a result of an unexpected increase in member numbers.
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So I fail to see much difference between Astatores/Mercenaries and some of the so called normal tags.
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While claiming from the same targets etc clearly makes for more efficiency I personally agree with you, there is little difference except that every other alliance has considerably more freedom rather than being joined at the hip. People note that ND and p3n seem very close but forget that we had a rather vicious war only a few rounds ago which involved lots of attempted fleetcatches.
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8 Apr 2016, 20:53
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Re: R66 who will win
Add to this that (some) Mercenaries are building Refs and value while they escort Ultores with no intention to land themselves, it makes sense people see them as one alliance.
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8 Apr 2016, 21:40
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The brother of Spammer
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Patrikc
Add to this that (some) Mercenaries are building Refs and value while they escort Ultores with no intention to land themselves, it makes sense people see them as one alliance.
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Im waiting for the ULT troll squad to come and clean this one up
Chimpie saying in a dubbed jerry adams type voice (google jerry adams TV interviews circla 1988) ... I whole heartly deny those allergations.
Jokes aside here is the predictament.... ult cant afford to play without support tag as its the only real countermeasure against being lolgangbanged.
If I was in agar3s situation I to would have this support tag. (cant fault him tbh)
Same time any wins ULT manage to bag do lose imo their valour/prestige because it isnt a pure 60man tag.
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8 Apr 2016, 22:56
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Re: R66 who will win
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Jokes aside here is the predictament.... ult cant afford to play without support tag as its the only real countermeasure against being lolgangbanged.
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Yes there is a bit of a chicken and egg problem. What comes first? Ult having lots of planets so causing the need for several alliances to gang up on Ult, or the knowledge that Ult will be gangbanged so the need for lots of planets? Unfortunately in any given round neither comes first because everything is a hangover from previous rounds. As a result politics is much more static than it might otherwise be. Additionally Ult sees certain other alliances as being out to get them (particularly ct) and will therefore target them early, so ensuring they really are out to get them. And because HC's dont change Ult is likely correct that the existing HCs have ingrained preconceptions and preferences.
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8 Apr 2016, 23:55
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
Why do we need to keep going through these things; what does this have to do with this round? Are four alliances blocking you at the moment?
And for the record I suspect that claim was mine not 'Pingu HC' (incidentally we no longer have Pingu - replaced by p3nguin) as the stated goal at the start of last round was good planet and gal ranks not ally win for p3n, and yes our involvement in ally politics was to be an attempt to keep you off the top. Any attempt to go for first came some way into the round as a result of an unexpected increase in member numbers.
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No, peeps were talking about why we have a friendly tag at our side... And the reason is simple - as I stated above. And to your chicken and egg response, we have only had a friendly smaller tag with us for 2 rounds. People talk as if this is something ancient. It was Astatores last round and Mercenaries this round. Before that we didn't have a friendly tag playing with us. So all this talk about chicken and egg is really weird.
We responded to always being blocked.
And no, I was refering to a HC claiming after the eorc that it was a victory since Ultores didn't win. (also, anyone who prefers p3nguin to pingu - clearly had a not insubstantially sadder childhood)
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9 Apr 2016, 00:12
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
Ult will almost always try to kingmake another tag, as long as a win is out of Ults reach and if it's mathematically possible...
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Can vouch for that
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9 Apr 2016, 06:23
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
we have only had a friendly smaller tag with us for 2 rounds. People talk as if this is something ancient. It was Astatores last round and Mercenaries this round. Before that we didn't have a friendly tag playing with us.
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Ppl have been complaining about Heroes and out of tag Ults for pretty much as long as I have been playing. Heroes seemed to have a bit more independence particularly in peacetime but the result was usually the same for allies who went to war with Ult.
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We responded to always being blocked.
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As I did not play the first rounds Ult played I would not know which started first in round 45 or whenever. But that was not my point. In any individual current round it is a chicken and egg question. Having a supporting tag forces a teamup of alliances whether that is Mercs this round, Asta last round, or Heroes in rounds past. Alliances that have fought you have for ages found they are fighting more than 60 planets so responded by having more than 60 planets on their side. The result on either side is the same really. Essentially as numbers is the only sure way to win in pa it is not surprising it becomes an escalatory race.
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And no, I was refering to a HC claiming after the eorc that it was a victory since Ultores didn't win.
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Fair enough, aims during the round in p3n vacillated rather depending on our position. There was certainly a point where it was boldly proclaimed we were going for the win - though it was brief. But there were also plenty of times where the stated aim was to stop Ult.
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(also, anyone who prefers p3nguin to pingu - clearly had a not insubstantially sadder childhood)
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I was most dissapointed to return from my time in Rogues and Asc to find the replacement
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9 Apr 2016, 12:27
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Re: R66 who will win
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I was most dissapointed to return from my time in Rogues and Asc to find the replacement
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It was p3ngu actually =p had to say something its very rare my memory beats yours.
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9 Apr 2016, 12:30
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Re: R66 who will win
Comparing HEROES to Mercenaries is really weird. Our relationship to HEROES can't seriously be compared to our relationship with Mercs.
And IF the size of the tag that were friendly to us, really were the issue - why doesn't the others team up to make up the percieved numbers? That never happends... What happends is a gangbang of 4 or 5 vs 1.
To say that it is to "make up the numbers" for a smaller ult-friendly tag is a lot of complete bullshit.
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9 Apr 2016, 12:49
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Re: R66 who will win
They're not trying to even up the numbers. They're trying to kill you. As they're supposed to. Stop pretending PA is about creating even sides.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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9 Apr 2016, 13:11
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
Comparing HEROES to Mercenaries is really weird. Our relationship to HEROES can't seriously be compared to our relationship with Mercs.
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The realationship really does not matter. What matters is a, the perception of the relationship which is very similar, and b, the escalation that creates.
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
They're not trying to even up the numbers. They're trying to kill you. As they're supposed to. Stop pretending PA is about creating even sides.
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Exactly. Hence a resulting escalation bringing in other allies on both sides and a block war resulting. In this sense I am much less sure than others on here that if there ever were an even tag fight of an ult 60 vs someone else's 60 it would not simply escalate anyway. Both sides may fight for a few days with nothing happening like p3n and Ult last round but then someone will want to break the stalemate. Or if one side is losing they will want to bring in someone to 'get even' (i.e. win). However this mytical 60 man tag fight is not really being used in that way, it is a stick being used to try to show that Ult may not actually be the best.
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9 Apr 2016, 14:04
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Re: R66 who will win
You cant honestly think this has been going on for two rounds Xerxes. What have you been doing? Sleeping?
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9 Apr 2016, 14:05
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Re: R66 who will win
Ult's owning the round. They changed strategies to take advantage of an XP round and they knew if they played properly that they'd get blocked by the normal blockers again.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
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9 Apr 2016, 14:31
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The brother of Spammer
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Re: R66 who will win
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The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
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Totally agree with Clouds on this one.
I agree and most alliance HC are too proud/stupid/think they know it all to read the following Books
The art of war by Sun Tzu <----- this is a must read for all Military HCs
The art of war by niccolo machiavelli <------ this is a must read for all Political HCs
Who knows if some of you lot read it, you might just might stop being shit Commanders.
https://www.goodreads.com/ebooks/download/99324?doc=732 <---- machiavelli
https://www.sonshi.com/original-the-...not-giles.html <---- sun Tzu
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9 Apr 2016, 14:31
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Re: R66 who will win
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You cant honestly think this has been going on for two rounds Xerxes. What have you been doing? Sleeping?
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Feel free to list which rounds this has been going on, include the name of said tags ofc
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9 Apr 2016, 15:02
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Re: R66 who will win
Another fine book to read is Carl Von Clausewitz: On War, I'd suggest everyone holding an office in an ally (or wanting to hold) reads that too.
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Re: R66 who will win
Without exception, people who recommend Sun Tzu are absolute twats.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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Re: R66 who will win
Reading Sun Tzu and understanding Sun Tzu are two different things.
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All the war propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. - George Orwell
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The brother of Spammer
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Re: R66 who will win
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Reading Sun Tzu and understanding Sun Tzu are two different things.
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Exactly its all on how you apply it ... ranging from gaming (mainly strategy games) playing in a football/rubgy teams both as a player and manager, running a rock covers band, Retail management are my personal experiences.
Quite often its manditory reading for company executives in the far east.
My current favourite application is understanding how the elites are applying books like the art of war to the masses as instruction manuals to get their "New world order" etc.
It is one of the those life changing books once read and understood.
I'm going to give your suggestion a read over Noxious after all forums are suppose to be an exchange of ideas.
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9 Apr 2016, 19:19
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Re: R66 who will win
No way of political/military thinking (they are interwoven in this game) is 100% foolproof because it's near impossible to second guess everyone's incentives and motivations, and have the resources to execute your thinking on any kind of consistent basis. The best generals are like Hannibal the Great who were creative and created a plan that suited their circumstances, opposition weaknesses, and available resources to force a military defeat upon him. In the end even he lost because the romans refused to engage him in battle until they eventually stole his tactics and bought overwhelming resources. But that doesn't stop him from being brilliant.
This round is interesting because in their frustration at how things have escalated, Ult have resorted to XP guerrilla warfare. The alliances now playing seriously now have a choice of trying to outgrow them by getting more roids (giving opportunity for ult to attack and gain XP) or working together to totally destroy Ult's capability to land fleets (probably high effort and may be for no success as then CT might get away). Whatever the outcome, it is very very good play from Ult given their situation, because they are forcing their opponents to make awkward decisions. And if they don't win, well the escalation of hostilities means they will probably sacrifice themselves to piss on someone's parade.
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10 Apr 2016, 00:45
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Re: R66 who will win
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You cant honestly think this has been going on for two rounds Xerxes. What have you been doing? Sleeping?
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The blocking against ultores? no, that has been around for some time indeed.
Our friendly smaller tag thingy? 2 rounds. Don't know if you are trolling or not, because this is quite obvious.
So who was that tag or group of people before last round that was stubbornly loyal to us? I'm really curious who this unknown benefactor is, I must know - we would like to know so we can retroactively thank them for the help, we don't have an abundance of friends - so those we have, we like to take care of
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10 Apr 2016, 00:59
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Re: R66 who will win
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They're not trying to even up the numbers. They're trying to kill you. As they're supposed to. Stop pretending PA is about creating even sides.
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It's not, and that has never been my point. My point is that some play to stop a certain alliance, even if it destroys their own chances of winning - and that is a bit weird.
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10 Apr 2016, 01:09
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Re: R66 who will win
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Seriously? Sure, we all spend a lot of time with this game and it's a lot of fun (or we wouldn't be doing it, despite all the emo) but come on - get a grip. Machiavelli? Sun Tzu?
This is Planetarion, we are nerds on the internet - not generals about to overthrow the republic
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10 Apr 2016, 04:21
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Twisted Individual
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Re: R66 who will win
At this rate, BF will win. While everyone continues these petty quarrels, BF will do what Norse did last round.
But don't let my logic get in the way of a good drama
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10 Apr 2016, 06:57
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by DoDDy
At this rate, BF will win. While everyone continues these petty quarrels, BF will do what Norse did last round.
But don't let my logic get in the way of a good drama
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Didn't Norse have under 300 hostiles last round? I guess I'm wasting my time DCing every night if our incoming is so low!
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10 Apr 2016, 07:32
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a bucket
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
Seriously? Sure, we all spend a lot of time with this game and it's a lot of fun (or we wouldn't be doing it, despite all the emo) but come on - get a grip. Machiavelli? Sun Tzu?
This is Planetarion, we are nerds on the internet - not generals about to overthrow the republic
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Most military or political HCs would probably enjoy the books suggested anyway.
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Originally Posted by DoDDy
At this rate, BF will win. While everyone continues these petty quarrels, BF will do what Norse did last round.
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People are much more aware of BFs chance of winning than they were of norse at this time last round. BF is clearly an involved alliance looking for the win, norse were trying to keep a low profile and stay out of the clear blocks that had lined up by this point. While the same blocking has yet to happen against BF as against Ult that is due to rank as much as anything. Should they actually get close to first a block is more likely - though it may be too late.
Additionally people avoided norse because everyone knew that if you gave them incs you would get incs back, with everyone else trying to avoid creating unnecessary enemies it was not worth the effort, BF is more traditional so retal incs are less certain.
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Originally Posted by Clouds
Didn't Norse have under 300 hostiles last round? I guess I'm wasting my time DCing every night if our incoming is so low!
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781 according to http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=6&round=65
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10 Apr 2016, 07:41
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Dictator
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
The blocking against ultores? no, that has been around for some time indeed.
Our friendly smaller tag thingy? 2 rounds. Don't know if you are trolling or not, because this is quite obvious.
So who was that tag or group of people before last round that was stubbornly loyal to us? I'm really curious who this unknown benefactor is, I must know - we would like to know so we can retroactively thank them for the help, we don't have an abundance of friends - so those we have, we like to take care of
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Heroes and oddr
Infact isn't there an ult quote saying you sent all your retards to oddr it explains why vulgar sticks by you but now it seems there's been a renaming to mercs in the previous thread you said vegeta and the other crasher idlers play in your other tag
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10 Apr 2016, 07:53
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
People are much more aware of BFs chance of winning than they were of norse at this time last round. BF is clearly an involved alliance looking for the win
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Um, our 'aim' wasn't to win. We came back this round as a reunion round for our members. We're actually quite lazy this round. If we get knocked down so that others can win, then I guess it's fate, but we won't get depressed over it. We'll probably go back into retirement next round anyway.
Let's be honest though, we're not as good as Ultores, so if you feel the need to lolblock BF, then you're wasting your time because our defence capabilities aren't all that.
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Originally Posted by booji
norse were trying to keep a low profile and stay out of the clear blocks that had lined up by this point. While the same blocking has yet to happen against BF as against Ult that is due to rank as much as anything. Should they actually get close to first a block is more likely - though it may be too late.
Additionally people avoided norse because everyone knew that if you gave them incs you would get incs back, with everyone else trying to avoid creating unnecessary enemies it was not worth the effort, BF is more traditional so retal incs are less certain.
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I understand Ult's frustration with blocks though. A block that results in a fair fight is fine, but a block created for the purpose wipe out an alliance is silly really. Last round's blocking was just comedy.
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10 Apr 2016, 09:27
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a bucket
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Re: R66 who will win
Clouds you are falling into the trap that so many people here do. Your aim does not matter, it is the perception others have of your aims that matter. Almost everyone I have spoken to this round about who looks likely to win says BF, and many rate your chances higher than Ult. Regardless of your aim you are an involved alliance. Norse was not an involved alliance because it was under 40 members and no one rated their chances.
The aim an alliance had only matters (from an outside perspective) afterward when we can argue about whether allies met their goals.
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Originally Posted by Clouds
I understand Ult's frustration with blocks though. A block that results in a fair fight is fine, but a block created for the purpose wipe out an alliance is silly really. Last round's blocking was just comedy.
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While the block had taking Ult down as a goal it is pretty clear if we had had a chance we would have moved off ult to another alliance to try to ensure a win in our block. Unfortunately Ult put up more of a fight than we would have liked so we had to fight ult to the end to prevent their win. In which circumstances leaving Norse alone (more or less) was the lesser of two evils. It fulfilled one of two goals. It would be comedy if we were still blocking an Ult that was clearly out of the race (like BF did to p3n in round 57), that never happened.
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10 Apr 2016, 10:35
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Munkee
Heroes and oddr
Infact isn't there an ult quote saying you sent all your retards to oddr it explains why vulgar sticks by you but now it seems there's been a renaming to mercs in the previous thread you said vegeta and the other crasher idlers play in your other tag
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from my time in oddr (part way into r59) the only time we helped ult was after the blocks formed and we got asked if we wanted in.
I started BCing in r60 and we did gal raids til we fancied targeting other allies for shits and giggles or whoever started getting to hostile towards us. we would get asked to join in maybe around pt600ish to help vs the block and ofc only a moron would say no to the potential of easier roids when your in a small tag like that.
r63 we had our stint as HODORS with HEROES guys. where we didn't really do much at all except try to fc some incs and spent 12 days lolwaving nelito (best part of the round)
r64 we realised it was hard to keep a tag going with maybe 6-7 active members and after the #grexit (internal joke) we decided maybe it would be best to play inside another tag so looked at our options. we had about 4 options but just before ticks started we joined ult...
so yeah its safe to say oddr was its own tag so jog the f*** on
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10 Apr 2016, 10:58
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The brother of Spammer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Xerxes
Seriously? Sure, we all spend a lot of time with this game and it's a lot of fun (or we wouldn't be doing it, despite all the emo) but come on - get a grip. Machiavelli? Sun Tzu?
This is Planetarion, we are nerds on the internet - not generals about to overthrow the republic
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This is part of the problem... if ULT isn't gangbanged gauging from previous round they will eventually outgrow everyone else and become un-roidable and then farm top planets from other alliances. So it is in the interest of the gangbangers to do this.
I have to compliment the ULT command team in this change of strategy this round so it keeps the members interested and not lolDCing night in night out.
Until there are other alliances who can Give ULT competition (reading and understanding those books is a good starting point) ULT will have a high% of being gangbanged if ULT started playing for Value and roids as mentioned in the above paragraph. If there wasn't such an monopoly on 1 alliance being so Dominant prehaps PA would be even more fun to play? how do you propose to end the monopoly?
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Originally Posted by Paisley
Do you know how lazy BCs are these days? .... pfft.
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If ULT for example started playing for Roids and Value next round.
And if for arguements sake I was in the Gangbangers war room.
And knowing how to apply the concepts taken from these 2 books.
All warfare is based on deception -sun tzu
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.-sun tzu
Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot.- Niccoló Machiavelli (swap men for alliances)
The strategy is dependent on ship stats but if it is a hulls 2 or 3 round I would do the following. Organise a lol fakes/defdrain/waves at key planets (insert allergations of def leechers in here) watch the JGPs for the defenders and then do live raids on the defenders (ships cant be in 2 places at once) it will be up to the HC/BCs of the gangbangers to alternate between whos soaks up the defence and who Live BCs to get the Roids off ULT. <----- Hint hint
What has been done over the rounds is standard gal raids on ULT forts and having to depend on sheer numbers to hopefully make it past eta 6 and 4 stages so they can land. and quite often its at the 12am-5am window and gives ULT breathing room rather than a 24/7 continous campaign.
Sun tzu principle - Do not advance relying on sheer military power
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10 Apr 2016, 11:02
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: R66 who will win
Your suntzu refferencing is getting tiring.
Anyway, if the "competitors" stopped naping ult for half the round like they did last round, maybe they wouldnt have to use the rest to play catch up
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10 Apr 2016, 11:29
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The brother of Spammer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by lokken
This round is interesting because in their frustration at how things have escalated, Ult have resorted to XP guerrilla warfare. The alliances now playing seriously now have a choice of trying to outgrow them by getting more roids (giving opportunity for ult to attack and gain XP) or working together to totally destroy Ult's capability to land fleets (probably high effort and may be for no success as then CT might get away). Whatever the outcome, it is very very good play from Ult given their situation, because they are forcing their opponents to make awkward decisions. And if they don't win, well the escalation of hostilities means they will probably sacrifice themselves to piss on someone's parade.
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This is a fair assessment, Not only did ULT HC team adapt well, I also hear of a better morale in the ULT rank and file members,
My assessment of agar3s and his HC team = Pulled a blinder this round.
(but I won't say thank you for the incomings)
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Your suntzu refferencing is getting tiring.
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Don't HC another alliance until you have broaden your horizons, it will be unfair to your rank and file members.
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10 Apr 2016, 11:59
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Mordar, Keel, Reip
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Re: R66 who will win
You're getting rather boring Farmer-Bob, actually, not getting, been boring for a good long while.
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10 Apr 2016, 12:38
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Re: R66 who will win
I'll tell you why Ult work better as a team than other alliances.... They don't really have peons or set tasks.... Everyone mucks in together and is pretty much equal....
I know this having experienced both sides, first hand in fresh memory
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10 Apr 2016, 14:58
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Re: R66 who will win
That's a result of having capable and more dedicated players though. Faceless used to be similar (if not to the same extent) but even among the core nowadays the dedication is simply not there.
Apprime used to be top tier because if you ****ed up even once you'd be out, in turn making an alliance that didn't.
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10 Apr 2016, 17:23
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Patrikc
Apprime used to be top tier because if you ****ed up even once you'd be out, in turn making an alliance that didn't.
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Munkee tried that in p3n, we ended up losing too many members!
Tbh p3n is supposed to be exactly as DoDDy mentions for Ult (hence the no DCs thing), however as you say about Fl increasingly the dedication is simply not there.
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