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21 Nov 2012, 15:49
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YAAARRGH!
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Re: Ult and App
<Connovar> .surprisesex rat
[14:49] <Angelica> Top attackers on alliance Ultores are (total: 2037) Sexy Pirates - 1272 | Conspiracy - 447 | xVx - 57 | NewDawn - 55 | Innuendo - 52
Nice try though..
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21 Nov 2012, 15:50
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So what?
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Re: Ult and App
The bots are a lot more accurate than some of the stuff you guys are trying to peddle.
I can teach you how the module works if you come speak to me on IRC. It's obviously giving you trouble if you think what you pasted means anything different!
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21 Nov 2012, 15:59
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YAAARRGH!
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Re: Ult and App
No thanks, but really your just blowing hot air.
Who cares what you consider lies, when ultores are the dirtiest alliance out there!
Jog on pal!
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21 Nov 2012, 16:02
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So what?
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Re: Ult and App
Oh no, you consider us dirty. You'll be hurting our feelings next!
And really, if you're struggling to understand modules from a Munin/Merlin clone, any of us former Ascendancy lot can help you out. It's a genuine offer.
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21 Nov 2012, 16:11
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Mind-boggling
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Re: Ult and App
j0j0 queers
15:11:21] <@CBA> -surprisesex ult
[15:11:22] -LDK- Top attackers on alliance Ultores are (total: 408) Sexy Pirates - 121 | Apprime - 115 | Conspiracy - 55 | xVx - 30 | Unknown - 22
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21 Nov 2012, 16:50
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YAAARRGH!
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Re: Ult and App
Aww my post got deleted...It was a good one too!
Couldnt care less about your lessons on bots, im no a programmer, nor do i care about it!
The bots arent accurate, any explanation of this you care to offer is irrelevant!
My my this thread has a lot of tangents!
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21 Nov 2012, 17:07
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Connovar
Aww my post got deleted...It was a good one too!
Couldnt care less about your lessons on bots, im no a programmer, nor do i care about it!
The bots arent accurate, any explanation of this you care to offer is irrelevant!
My my this thread has a lot of tangents!
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It's still irrelevant anyway. I don't see why they won't answer the simple question of why they didn't attack us. Well I can obviously make conclusions but that would get us into the usual problems that occur within pa.
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21 Nov 2012, 17:16
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YAAARRGH!
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Re: Ult and App
I was probably unncecessarily rude to Shev, sorry. Thanks for the offer of a tutorial on merlin, i would like to politely decline, and apolgise for my earlier rudeness :P
If you would ever like a biology or natural history lesson I would be more than happy to oblige, to return the offer
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21 Nov 2012, 18:56
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mz.
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Re: Ult and App
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiall
Eh? When did I say we were neutral?
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Various FAng posters have been making a point of claming they've been neutral this round.
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Originally Posted by Shev
<Ultores> Top attackers on alliance Ultores are (total: 1840) Conspiracy - 637 | Sexy Pirates - 591 | NewDawn - 159 | Howling Rain - 108 | xVx - 103
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Originally Posted by Connovar
<Connovar>[14:49] <Angelica> Top attackers on alliance Ultores are (total: 2037) Sexy Pirates - 1272 | Conspiracy - 447 | xVx - 57 | NewDawn - 55 | Innuendo - 52
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Back in the day, when Munin was first written, incs were reported through defense channels. Munin would sit in these channels and pass on the information to #ascendancy, thereby seeing all of Ascendancy's incs. This data was mined by the !surprisesex command: who attacked us most?
The numbers were never accurate for other alliances, because Munin would not "see" every inc on those other alliances, just those that were captured on a JGP. This was obviously very biased. Any alliance that we were at war with would have a lot of Ascendancy incs in its !surprisesex overview: partly because we hit them a lot, but mostly because Munin would see a disproportionate number of Ascendancy incomings, because we would paste our JGPs into channels Munin was in. Obviously, other alliances would not.
Since then, with the introduction of the (excellent) ingame alliance defense overview, Munin and Merlin bots no longer see every inc on your alliance. This means that if you do !surprisesex on your own alliance, only a fraction of the actual incs will show up there. That said, while the exact numbers are going to be very inaccurate, there's no reason why the ratios between the numbers would be. They give you a handle on answering the question "what alliance has been the most hostile to us?", but not on "how many incs did alliance X give us?".
Most of your own attacks are still seen by Munin/Merlin, because you still paste most of your JGPs into channels they're in, and most of your attacks will be captured on a JGP, so you can say both "we've been most hostile to alliance Y" and "we've given alliance Y about 1200 incs this round".
This explains why you (misguidedly) believe that CT gave Ultores only 450 incomings. Your own number of 1200 is correct, but Angelica is underrepresenting CT's incs, because of the way the data for it is gathered. On the other hand, Ultores' !surprisesex overview underrepresents both of your attacks (you've given them more than the 600 incs their Merlin has seen), but does so without bias one way or the other. Since Ultores' Merlin has only seen half of your attacks, it's reasonable to assume it also only saw half of CT's attacks, and half of ND's attacks, half of HR's attacks, etc.
I hope this was helpful and having armed you with this valuable knowledge, I look forward to seeing more factual accuracy on AD!
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21 Nov 2012, 19:02
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YAAARRGH!
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Various FAng posters have been making a point of claming they've been neutral this round.
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bitcher doesnt count
I also wasnt using the data given by the bot for anything other than to demonstrate the differences we would all have between what was given out by them. I know whos attacked us most this round, I know who we have attacked most this round.
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21 Nov 2012, 19:23
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
........I look forward to seeing more factual accuracy on AD!
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Hehe. I'm putting that forward for the "post of the year" competition. (You can take your tongue out of your cheek now).
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21 Nov 2012, 19:27
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mz.
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Re: Ult and App
That was a genuine sentiment, actually. Though evidently not a very realistic expectation.
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21 Nov 2012, 20:45
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Hiall
It's still irrelevant anyway. I don't see why they won't answer the simple question of why they didn't attack us. Well I can obviously make conclusions but that would get us into the usual problems that occur within pa.
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I can counter that question tho, why did fang never attack ult solo?
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21 Nov 2012, 20:53
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Connovar
No thanks, but really your just blowing hot air.
Who cares what you consider lies, when ultores are the dirtiest alliance out there!
Jog on pal!
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I repeat again, FAnG tried forming a block, Ult reacted to it. Untill we got word from several alliances you were trying to make naps we didnt hit FAnG.
As for being the dirtiest alliance around, look at yourself.. In all the rounds you played you backstabbed your allies. You made promises just to break them.
Do you really expect a single alliance to trust you? I know our allies trust Ult, cause we dont backstab those who are loyal.
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21 Nov 2012, 21:08
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Wouter
I repeat again, FAnG tried forming a block, Ult reacted to it. Untill we got word from several alliances you were trying to make naps we didnt hit FAnG.
As for being the dirtiest alliance around, look at yourself.. In all the rounds you played you backstabbed your allies. You made promises just to break them.
Do you really expect a single alliance to trust you? I know our allies trust Ult, cause we dont backstab those who are loyal.
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Why on earth would we need to make a block when we were ahead? There was no coordinations between FAnG and other alliances to attack ult or what ever
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21 Nov 2012, 21:32
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Why on earth would we need to make a block when we were ahead? There was no coordinations between FAnG and other alliances to attack ult or what ever
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I wonder why you were trying too. This is also the reason why you had to wait for support aswell I think.
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21 Nov 2012, 22:52
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Wouter
I wonder why you were trying too. This is also the reason why you had to wait for support aswell I think.
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We didnt need to wait for anything, we were ahead, you were behind. You had to do what you thought was best to catch up.
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21 Nov 2012, 22:57
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Re: Ult and App
I WILL ANSWER YOU HIALL!!!!!!!!!
the reason we waiting so long to attack you, is for three reasons.
First: we didn't have enough intel of your planets so we couldn't be sure where your planets were.
Second: We have had heavy incs for most of the round, so we've been grounded for a long long time, it wasn't until we found a friend in apprime that would help us out and allow us to go attacking again
Three: we wanted to stay neutral and not go to war with anyone?
(I hope that sounds as ridiculous as it sounds when you guys say it, but remember, it's true!)
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21 Nov 2012, 23:13
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Re: Ult and App
I wouldn't be surprised if this round's stats kills the game altogether.
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21 Nov 2012, 23:37
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Clouds
I wouldn't be surprised if this round's stats kills the game altogether.
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i would be
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22 Nov 2012, 11:53
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Re: Ult and App
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
I WILL ANSWER YOU HIALL!!!!!!!!!
the reason we waiting so long to attack you, is for three reasons.
First: we didn't have enough intel of your planets so we couldn't be sure where your planets were.
Second: We have had heavy incs for most of the round, so we've been grounded for a long long time, it wasn't until we found a friend in apprime that would help us out and allow us to go attacking again
Three: we wanted to stay neutral and not go to war with anyone?
(I hope that sounds as ridiculous as it sounds when you guys say it, but remember, it's true!)
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Thanks blue_esper! Appreciated.
Should have asked your friend Apprime for our coords earlier they've had them most of the round
Yes utterly ridiculous but heh seemingly both sides are equally accountable for that!
An answer however ridiculous normally has some grain of truth within it, so we hopefully will grow from this to a clear picture.
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22 Nov 2012, 15:48
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Blah Blah Blah
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Re: Ult and App
We also tried to be neutral and just init roids.
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