when stagnation hits............

[Morden]

Well we all know that no matter which side loses there going to be stagnation, and more stagnation.

so perhaps when it does settle in we as a community could perhaps take a vote;
a vote for us to have a few weeks of total havok, i mean afterall the havok at the end of the rounds isnt really havok because most players have quit or gone inactive so it would at least give the game a few more weeks of enjoyment if you say injected 500mil of each res a day for a few weeks we could have a whale of a time.

^ this will enable people to settle scores etc without having to wait till the bulk of the universe has quit and will help if not stop the amount of people leaving so fast.

or you could do other things to keep it interresting hell the majority of people would agree that it really does suck big time having to wait around etc.

do something anything to stop it getting boring after which ever side eventually loses.

[Hardin]

Good idea... however stagnation is not necessary...

If NARSWEET breaks up soon (i.e. before VOM is dead) and people start changing sides then the fun can be maintained all round as in R6 and R8.

If we do get stagnation then I am all for this idea!

[davidb]

hehe and were only a week or 2 into the new round and look at it,no wonder not many people were gonna play if the creators werent putting as much effort into as previous rounds,
nice idea about all round havok could be more fun i suppose but then it wouldnt realy be good old fashioned pa

[Heartshunter]

What a silly idea.

So, because you all don't want to prevent stagnation you come up with this?

Jesus, have some balls, backstab someone, do something, break alliances/naps up, whatever. Its up to YOU (you ALL out there) to make the game exciting. Its your own fault things turn out to be the way they are at the moment, you can change it too.

[Morden]

Originally posted by davidb
hehe and were only a week or 2 into the new round and look at it,no wonder not many people were gonna play if the creators werent putting as much effort into as previous rounds,
nice idea about all round havok could be more fun i suppose but then it wouldnt realy be good old fashioned pa

good old fashioned pa is what keeps reducing the player base every round....................

[SilverSmoke]

Originally posted by Morden
good old fashioned pa is what keeps reducing the player base every round....................

[Morden]

Originally posted by Heartshunter
What a silly idea.

So, because you all don't want to prevent stagnation you come up with this?

Jesus, have some balls, backstab someone, do something, break alliances/naps up, whatever. Its up to YOU (you ALL out there) to make the game exciting. Its your own fault things turn out to be the way they are at the moment, you can change it too.

im not in the position to do so.

as for you talking about that, i dont remember you valuanterily wanting to split fflttv in r7

Stagnation hit yesterday tbh

[Heartshunter]

Originally posted by Morden
im not in the position to do so.

as for you talking about that, i dont remember you valuanterily wanting to split fflttv in r7

You have no clue what I actually wanted back then, besides that doesn't really matter now, ey?
Or do you admit here that the huge block of alliances which seemingly are taking the dominatant role in the universe will never split up? If thats the case, then well played, I think you will have bored 90% of the players by the end of next week.
But don't come crying to the creators then, its your own fault, and you can do something about it yourself.

This is actually one of the lamest ideas I've ever heard.

[Morden]

Originally posted by Heartshunter
You have no clue what I actually wanted back then, besides that doesn't really matter now, ey?
Or do you admit here that the huge block of alliances which seemingly are taking the dominatant role in the universe will never split up? If thats the case, then well played, I think you will have bored 90% of the players by the end of next week.
But don't come crying to the creators then, its your own fault, and you can do something about it yourself.

This is actually one of the lamest ideas I've ever heard.

well tbh im not sure if it will, it'll be bloody boring if they dont come to some sort of compromise.

even if its splitting everyone up into 2 camps

team a vs team b

[DarkAngel]

bored morden *G*

lo mate' keep realing the ideas out, as for stagnation - there wont be any - cos im gonna live forever

[K-W]

Originally posted by Heartshunter
What a silly idea.

So, because you all don't want to prevent stagnation you come up with this?

Jesus, have some balls, backstab someone, do something, break alliances/naps up, whatever. Its up to YOU (you ALL out there) to make the game exciting. Its your own fault things turn out to be the way they are at the moment, you can change it too.

.....riiiight

I know youve played enough planetarion to know that stagnation generallly occurs in all rounds. Nar coulld Joing Vom, crush weet, then Vom could crush nar, and we could still have stagnation. His point is very valid that there is a natural end point to a round, when the top spots are basically won and any wars would be either pointless or rediculous. At that point the best thing for the game is for the round to end so things can start anew at 0.

[Structural Integrity]

heh heh.... I remember the old times, in rnd 3/4/5, when I was in a small-medium sized galaxy. It was war all the time. There was no such thing as "stagnation". And we also kept looking for trouble (inactive people who accidentally attack and ally, or making conspiracies inside the cluster alliance).
Oh those good ol' times.

My mother always told me: "you have to make you own fun. It won't come falling from the sky" (or something along those lines, as she speaks Dutch).

[whoop]

Originally posted by Morden

^ this will enable people to settle scores etc without having to wait till the bulk of the universe has quit and will help if not stop the amount of people leaving so fast.

or you could do other things to keep it interresting hell the majority of people would agree that it really does suck big time having to wait around etc.

Well, the cynic in me would argue that you don't need havok to settle a score. If you don't want to settle a score because of allegiance issues, then perhaps that score is not that important to you.

I think that at this time the only way the game can become interesting is if the alliances have the balls to come out and make a blanket statement to the effect of

• you can attack anyone outside your Cluster and Parellel, without fear of retals
• you can defend anyone inside your Cluster and Parallel, from outside attacks, without fear of retals
• you can refuse to defend against your Cluster or Parallel without fear of retals
• you can defend within your galaxy without fear of retals.

This will get us back to the IMHO optimal

galaxy > parallel/cluster > alliance

which will do wonders to reduce the current boredom.

-whoop

[TeK]

TeamPies etc.

[Zitos]

If you dont like stagnation.. Do as Vom - and dont fencesit.. (-; But back to the topic.. Good pa is much better than some hand-out-resources stuff.. That aint fun.. The good thing with pa is to hang around irc, chat with friends and stay up at nights and have fun with some dude on the other side of the earth..

Point is.. Pa is good the way it is, just make the blocks more fair.. And the 'fun' will last longer.

[Silver]

oh thats right. vom isnt siting on the fence.. but weet and nar is?
now the thing, weet only made a bigger block but imo blame everyone ffs. i didnt see vvomm hesistated to make a block early. weet and nar just followed up, they did it for same reason, to win.

Now how come when people wanna make vom sound small they say vom and when they want it to look large they say vvomm?

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Structural Integrity
heh heh.... I remember the old times, in rnd 3/4/5, when I was in a small-medium sized galaxy. It was war all the time. There was no such thing as "stagnation".

round 5 and no stagnation ? your kidding?, right ?

[Ohm]

As long as we have shorter attack-times like in clusters and parallells there will eventually become stagnation.

We saw that in round 7, and after some time the loosing side suffered from heavy in-cluster beating.

That doesent motivate more people to play.

Private gals are no problem, but the different etas are, making the weaker even weaker.

Creators, please try to see this game from a new players perspective....(if you want new players into it)

[[Smurf]Pies]

heh stagnation will/has hit yeah but aslong as no1 totally gives in there is always the chance to rebuild, or alliances to change etc. most fun for me would be all alliances doing there own thing with no blocks, but would probably cause alot of trouble. But would be alot of fun

i think if creators handed out resouces as morden said would just turn in havock b4 havock and make it even worse.

[hAl]

There is an easy way to counter stagnation. At irregular intervals just half all fleets in the universe (and the saved resources in planets and funds). Every 3 week will do !!

hAl

[ComradeRob]

Originally posted by Hardin
Good idea... however stagnation is not necessary...

Nonononono - stagnation happens as a result of game mechanics, irrespective of alliance politics. Alliance politics can accelerate the process, but the real problem is that the number of ships in the universe continues increasing long after the number of roids stops increasing.

[Jester]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Nonononono - stagnation happens as a result of game mechanics, irrespective of alliance politics. Alliance politics can accelerate the process, but the real problem is that the number of ships in the universe continues increasing long after the number of roids stops increasing.

This is absolutely true. And is also the only, best reason to bring back real stealing ships.

Jester

[KeyStroke]

Originally posted by [Smurf]Pies
heh stagnation will/has hit yeah but aslong as no1 totally gives in there is always the chance to rebuild, or alliances to change etc. most fun for me would be all alliances doing there own thing with no blocks, but would probably cause alot of trouble. But would be alot of fun

i think if creators handed out resouces as morden said would just turn in havock b4 havock and make it even worse.

The blocking proves there isnt enough balls to go around in the various HC's around to actually do that...

And if they want to salvage the round to make it last longer and give some people a fair chance to carry on a injection of extra resources would be needed. The game universe have hit rock bottom, there isnt room for huge blocks anylonger. And those who have incoming 24/7 rather find another game to play.

Fight back isnt an option when there is no resources and no ships available to do so. If there hadnt been any blocks and players keept to their own alliances there would been plenty of targets to go around. But because of blocks, naps etc. over half the game universe is excluded as targets for some. What is the sense in that ?

[MAdnRisKy]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Nonononono - stagnation happens as a result of game mechanics, irrespective of alliance politics. Alliance politics can accelerate the process, but the real problem is that the number of ships in the universe continues increasing long after the number of roids stops increasing.

that and the ludicrous expotential growth system, which has NEVER been addressed, and is the principal reason why any war can only be fun for about 1 week max, after that it's a foregone conclusion.

[K-W]

Its why powerblocks do what they do.

There is the smallest amount of roid movement possible in a block, then bam, roids = ships and there is no hope of anyone who didnt have roids ever touchign those who did.

Hypothetically, if every planet went it alone it would take longer, but eventually one planet would have pretty much all the roids and wed have stagnation. Its a neccessity of the game mechanics.

[MAdnRisKy]

However, and this is where the previous comment about alliance politics being irrelevant falling down, if you see roids as a finite amount then you have to accept a second problem.

if there are 5k roids in the uni (for arguements sake)

and alliance A has 2500 and alliance B has 2500 then there's going to be a pretty even war.

once say Alliance A gets up to about 3k and alliance B has 2k it's all over right?

wrong

replace alliance A will block A.

move some alliances from block A to block B

you can either do this in a fun fashion so that it's 2.5k again, or you can do it in the typical fashion and move it so it's 3-2 again in favour of alliance B but either way political flexibility means roids flexibility which ends up with a removal of stagnation.

that btw is of course only a temporary fix, but peoples motivations for this game have become squewed. They play not for the fun of the game but to win.
Do you usually only play games to win? have you never played something you knew you wouldn't win at but played anyway?

the trouble is that the game mechanics are flawed, but the people who would spot this don't try to compensate for them, they try to abuse them.

/rant

[Structural Integrity]

Originally posted by DarkAngel
round 5 and no stagnation ? your kidding?, right ?

You were on the wrong end of the galaxy.... or my memory fails me.

[Kalle]

Originally posted by KeyStroke
The blocking proves there isnt enough balls to go around in the various HC's around to actually do that...

And if they want to salvage the round to make it last longer and give some people a fair chance to carry on a injection of extra resources would be needed. The game universe have hit rock bottom, there isnt room for huge blocks anylonger. And those who have incoming 24/7 rather find another game to play.

Fight back isnt an option when there is no resources and no ships available to do so. If there hadnt been any blocks and players keept to their own alliances there would been plenty of targets to go around. But because of blocks, naps etc. over half the game universe is excluded as targets for some. What is the sense in that ?