Interesting Battlereports please

[Andy_r]

As people probably know, most alliances are frantically collecting battlereports trying to work out the stats and formulas.

I think that for the benefit of the solo players, we should have this sort of thing out in the open on the forums.

So, please post any battlereports that you think provide any useful insights into the workings of combat here.

Remember to remove all co-ords, include roid caps, and mention if you know either side had War as engineering priority one two or three.

I'll start off with a simple one...

Banshee 0 0 20 91
Dagger 17 50 0 0
(no roids capped)

Note that 50 Daggers (costing 190k resources) killed more ships than 91 Banshees (cost 236.9k), presumably this is due to their damage being "decent" rather than "average"?

[Wandows]

Originally posted by Andy_r

Note that 50 Daggers (costing 190k resources) killed more ships than 91 Banshees (cost 236.9k), presumably this is due to their damage being "decent" rather than "average"?

would say so, quite annoying though considering the defence fleet always fire @ ships (so target = 100% fi) while your fleet is mixed/mixed (assuming you didn't research any tactica things yet).

I don't know exactly how mixed/mixed is being worked..... but if its equilly devided over all tactical options it would mean...

40% is targetting ships no matter what
the other 60% is mixed..... for tactical options.. factories, structures (or are these 2 counted as 1?), ships and roids.

that would mean that only 55% (40% + 1/4th of the 60% ships) was firing @ the bashees. Taking that in account there must be quite a difference between average and decent damage then :\



P.S. maybe its an idea to look for beta BR's i think there are plenty lying around here and there, and by the looks the stats haven't changed since last beta (dunno about minor tweaks though)

[Unf_Slasher]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 30 240 0 0
Revenant 0 10 0 0
Sirtalis 7 40 0 0
Elaphe 1 10 0 0
Viperidae 1 10 0 0
Dagger 0 0 61 100
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 1

another example of that, though the sirtalis banshee mix makes it harder to guess who killed what

[General Martok]

Originally posted by Unf_Slasher
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 30 240 0 0
Revenant 0 10 0 0
Sirtalis 7 40 0 0
Elaphe 1 10 0 0
Viperidae 1 10 0 0
Dagger 0 0 61 100
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 1

another example of that, though the sirtalis banshee mix makes it harder to guess who killed what

But you CAN see how much easier the xan fighters get killed 12.5% of the banshees got killed against 17.5% of the sirtalis ....

[Breeze]

If I am reading that br correctly, 50 daggers killed 20 banshees, and 91 banshees killed 17 daggers.

I am assuming that initiative went out with a lot of other stuff?

That works out to ~2.5 daggers to kill a banshee, but ~5 banshee to kill a dagger - as you say, quite a difference between average and decent dmg - although it would be wrong to assume too much from such small numbers.

The other br shows approx the same figures tho ... 100 daggers kill 39 of the mixed attacking fleet which is predominently banshee's, while the attackers 310 ships kill 61 daggers, ie ~2.5 daggers compared to ~5 banshees&co to make a kill.

I had heard that defence had a slight advantage - the assumption being that they aren't trying to cap roids or destroy buildings and are therefore 100% focussed - but I wonder if there is hard evidence for this? In these 2 admittedly small examples we have the daggers both attacking and defending, and performing approximately the same - or am I missing something?

[dabult]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 20 32
Dagger 6 50 0 0


No roids capped.

One could also assume that like the old days, smaller numbers may vary quite a bit...remains to be seen i guess

[triker]

Combat 122 - Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 0 290
Banisher 0 0 0 50
Advocate 0 0 15 49
Sirtalis 0 0 0 150
Elaphe 0 0 0 50
Dagger 0 0 0 251
Rapier 0 0 9 34
Scimitar 15 125 9 37
Asteroid Type Lost
Eonium 1

The attacker sent 125 Fr (Scimitars). The defenders had only 2 kind of ships that could disturb these Scimitars. What we see here is 50 Fi & less than 40 Fr can disturb adequately 125 Fr!

grrrrrr

[Wandows]

Originally posted by triker

The attacker sent 125 Fr (Scimitars). The defenders had only 2 kind of ships that could disturb these Scimitars. What we see here is 50 Fi & less than 40 Fr can disturb adequately 125 Fr!

grrrrrr

they don't have to disturb 125 Fr =) as explained in other posts on the boards about 15% (mayb 30%) of the attacking fleet go for the roids. First off al you prolly need 2 or 3 Fr (or even more?) to take 1 roid, and while being fired at they won't be able to take that many roids. If you take in account that about 20 of those Fr (when calcing with the 15%) go for roids it won't leave much space for disturbance.

When battles become bigger i think it will show itself more (especially when the tactical fleet priorities have been researched)

[SYMM]

Damn Opera pasting, so a summary of mine

220 Sirtalis and 10 Elaphe (built mistakenly ) attacking

100 Banisher, 101 Vanquisher defending

19 Sirtalis Killed

40 Banisher, 35 Vanquisher Killed

5 roids capped

[Unf_Slasher]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 14 100
[Elaphe 0 0 42 300
Eryx 0 0 3 20
[ Rapier 32 50 4 50
Scimitar 53 90 15 189
Gladius 9 22 0 0


Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 6 131
Advocate 12 32 0 0
Paladin 2 12 0 0
Sirtalis 0 0 10 135
Elaphe 0 0 5 100

[das_experiment]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Sirtalis 351 351 0 0
Dagger 0 0 136 847




:I

[Ultimate Newbie]

Got a nice 1 on 1 battlereport here from a while ago - i thought it might be helpful (though small numbers, heh)

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 0 250
Vanquisher 40 50 0 0

[General1]

I dont even have ships, only got 250 roids

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by General1
I dont even have ships, only got 250 roids

You suck then - i've got some 280 (roids) as well a fleet, but i can only get on once a day

[General1]

Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie
You suck then - i've got some 280 but i can only get on once a day

I hardly get on 1es a day, well the last 3 days I checked several times, the first 2 days I didnt logged in

And yes I SUX in PA

[General Martok]

Originally posted by General1
I hardly get on 1es a day, well the last 3 days I checked several times, the first 2 days I didnt logged in

And yes I SUX in PA

/me checks Generals R9 coords. /me checks own R9 coords.
You're right

Go 300 roids and almost 1k ships now...

[General1]

Originally posted by General Martok
/me checks Generals R9 coords. /me checks own R9 coords.
You're right

Go 300 roids and almost 1k ships now...

Clan McIntosh Stardust Guardian 744 12,810,890
Kahless Qam-Chee 260 6,498,887

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm you were SMALLER IDD

[General Martok]

Weird huh, with my failing dailup¤ connection and a very busy semester

¤price: 0.03E / minute

Got a 24/7 connection now fortunately

[Ultimate Newbie]

I got surprisingly few roids here... my target had just over 200 roids and was roughly 4/5ths my Networth - do you think 150 FI was sufficiently disturbed by 20 FI and 30 FR to only get a tiny amount of roids??

Combat 145 - Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banisher 1 100 5 20
Vanquisher 0 50 4 20
Paladin 0 0 2 30
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 1
Crystal 1

Roids 145 - Asteroids Captured
Asteroid Type Amount
Metal 1
Crystal 1

Losses 145 Fighter Fear! - Losses
Ship Lost Total
Banisher 1 100

[triker]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 70 181
Revenant 0 0 9 53
Medusa 0 0 25 25
Rapier 1 80 0 0
Scimitar 1 140 0 0
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 9
Crystal 3
Eonium 9

I cant believe how bad is Medusa :P

[zenopus]

Ship	Offense Lost	Offense Total	Defense Lost	Defense Total
Banshee		335		1888		0		0
Sirtalis	0		0		147		282
Elaphe		0		0		97		280
Viperidae	0		0		69		249
Dagger		0		0		78		263
Scythe		0		0		30		167
Rapier		0		0		0		87
Scimitar	0		0		0		160
Gladius		0		0		0		59

No asteroids changed hands.

[General Martok]

Salvage 172 XXXXX - Salvage Report
Resource Type Amount
Metal 63735
Crystal 63735
Eonium 63735

Losses 172 Fleet 1 - XXXXX - Losses
Ship Lost Total
Sirtalis 153 743
Elaphe 41 300

Combat 172 XXXXX - Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Sirtalis 0 0 178 868
Elaphe 0 0 75 552
Viperidae 0 0 8 78
Dagger 299 502 0 0
Scythe 24 68 0 0

Defence @ galmate, no roids lost...

[General Martok]

XXXX - Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 72 72
Revenant 0 0 85 143
Medusa 0 0 43 208
Sirtalis 13 590 0 0
Elaphe 3 259 0 0
Viperidae 2 226 0 0
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 16
Crystal 16
Eonium 13


Cheap roids \o/
though I wish i had some more E roids, they stole some E roids of me and i want back to 1:1:1

[Gerbie]

Combat 207 Phlegm (5:2:4) - Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 134 499 91 199
Revenant 8 63 11 54
Medusa 50 50 23 225
Incubus 4 20 4 36
Hades 0 0 0 5
Cerberus 0 2 3 33
Vesuvius 0 15 0 0
Banisher 0 0 3 10
Vanquisher 0 0 6 20
Viperidae 41 192 0 0
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 8
Crystal 2
Eonium 2

Salvage 207 Phlegm (5:2:4) - Salvage Report
Resource Type Amount
Metal 2880
Crystal 4005
Eonium 2880

Losses 207 De Losgeslagen Koeien - Phlegm (5:2:4) - Losses
Ship Lost Total
Banisher 3 10
Vanquisher 6 20

The interesting part in this battle is the score it gave me....

[dabult]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Incubus 0 0 0 5
Cerberus 0 0 0 71
Vesuvius 0 0 0 5
Sirtalis 321 851 0 0
Elaphe 111 442 0 0
Viperidae 12 61 0 0
Eryx 11 116 0 0
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 1
Crystal 4
Eonium 2


Cerberus is teh 0wnage.

Incubus
1 2 0 0
Hades
6 14 0 0
Cerberus
11 23 0 0
Olympus
0 11 0 0
Sirtalis
0 0 75 1779
Elaphe
0 0 34 1217
Viperidae
0 0 13 644
Asteroid Type
Lost
Metal
1

SO even though my BS had nothing to target except roids and the target had nothing to hit bs, I only got 1 roid... Weird?

Guess I have to res some tactics

[Ultimate Newbie]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 0 36
Hades 0 0 2 2
Olympus 0 0 0 17
Vanquisher 0 0 0 634
Advocate 0 0 0 422
Paladin 70 200 0 381
Stalwart 0 0 0 2
Dagger 0 0 0 25
Scimitar 0 0 0 260

630 Vanqs and 250 Scims (frigates) firing on 200 paladins only manage to kill 70?
humpf

[furball]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Cerberus 9 36 0 0
Olympus 0 22 0 0
Dagger 0 0 3 3
Scythe 0 0 39 41
Rapier 0 0 0 284
Scimitar 0 0 0 239
Gladius 0 0 0 100
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 2
Crystal 1

shows that the gladius aren't bad ships and that 22 undisturbed olympuses didn't kill any structures (unless they were focused on roids...)

[triker]

Combat Report
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total
Banshee 0 0 70 70
Incubus 0 0 13 65
Hades 0 0 1 15
Cerberus 0 0 5 65
Vesuvius 0 0 0 10
Rapier 13 175 0 0
Scimitar 17 250 0 0
Gladius 10 200 0 0
Asteroid Type Lost
Metal 22
Crystal 13
Eonium 18

Zik Fr fleet R0X
Gladius is Terrans nightmare

[Wandows]

Originally posted by seidmann

...

SO even though my BS had nothing to target except roids and the target had nothing to hit bs, I only got 1 roid... Weird?

i can assure u that is not the weirdest thing i have seen.....

I have seen a battle report that showed no defence at all, the attacker lost a cruiser and didn't gain a single roid ... no THAT is weird if you ask me...

[dabult]

Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total 
Vesuvius 0 10 0 0 
Sirtalis 0 0 0 1130 
Elaphe 0 0 0 599 
Eryx 0 0 0 614 
Scimitar 0 0 0 180 
Asteroid Type Lost 
Metal 1 
Crystal 3 
Eonium 2

BS can be teh 0wnage sometimes

[zenopus]

Ship	Offense Lost	Offense Total	Defense Lost	Defense Total
Dagger		0		0		0		151
Claymore	0		11		0		0

Asteroid Type	Lost
Metal		1
Eonium		4

		Size	Value		Score
Attacker	300	191.692		53.278
Target		360	96.569		31.942

[Andy_r]

Originally posted by Wandows
iI have seen a battle report that showed no defence at all, the attacker lost a cruiser and didn't gain a single roid

I suggest you forward the URL to 1:1:1 for Fudge to take a look at it.

[Yan-Je]

Originally posted by Wandows
would say so, quite annoying though considering the defence fleet always fire @ ships (so target = 100% fi) while your fleet is mixed/mixed (assuming you didn't research any tactica things yet).

I don't know exactly how mixed/mixed is being worked..... but if its equilly devided over all tactical options it would mean...

40% is targetting ships no matter what
the other 60% is mixed..... for tactical options.. factories, structures (or are these 2 counted as 1?), ships and roids.

that would mean that only 55% (40% + 1/4th of the 60% ships) was firing @ the bashees. Taking that in account there must be quite a difference between average and decent damage then :\

well, the defence fleets are also sent as 'Mixed' 'Mixed'. meaning they are only around 55% focus on ships. Therefore, Daggers ar better than banshees on an one-on-one contest. However, terran's advantage really only comes in once they have Cr/Bs(their strengths). i guess they're disadvantaged in their smaller ships. However, if you look at the Zik ships, they're all fairly balanced out, except the armour of their big ships are increased while dmg decreased compared to their smaller ships. so i'd say Zik is kinda an all-rounder race for PaX. Xan is of course high dmg, low amour. as opposed to high amour and low dmg to cath. and well, terran's only characteristic is good large ships and useless small ships.

[dabult]

***- Combat Report 
Ship Offense Lost Offense Total Defense Lost Defense Total 
Banshee 0 1838 0 0 
Revenant 0 354 0 0 
Stalwart 0 33 0 0 
Sirtalis 0 3124 0 0 
Elaphe 0 1304 0 0 
Viperidae 0 1385 0 0 
Eryx 0 182 0 0 
Dagger 0 1124 0 0 
Scythe 0 1086 0 0 
Rapier 0 321 0 0 
Scimitar 0 179 0 0 
Stiletto 0 170 0 0 
Structure Lost Structure Lost 
Crystal Refinery 1 Eonium Refinery 1 
Asteroid Type Lost 
Metal 8 
Crystal 16 
Eonium 8

I dont know what the max capping of structures/tick killed is, but i dont think i like it :/
Dont have a scan of the target, but 230-240k value so there obviously were a few there to destroy.