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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I'm going to try and do it in rough chronological order. BT and WaC grow to immense sizes. Mostly Harmless, a BT wing/battlegroup splits from BT and moves to WaC. After a maximum of three weeks from this event Legion splits from WaC, pretty much taking MH en masse with it. Approximate size of legion at this point would be 80 members give or take. Legion and WaC NAP after leaving and remain on friendly terms. In fact both come under attack from a group of alliances, IPC, UXF, ND, SK. These alliances are beaten off and defeated.

At this point in time Legion start to look at attacking something bigger. However they cannot get assistance from WaC as regards attacking Blue Tuba as WaC are still involved in the previous war more so than Legion are. Legion at this point contact Fury, who have recently emerged successfully from a war with TE (Fury at this point in time are somwhere between 60 and 80 members). Fury and Legion both attack Blue Tuba. This can at best be described as a massacre as BT have very little organisation and are basically an over bloated, spy-riddled alliance waiting one solid kick to send the whole house of cards crashing to the ground. Despite BT's score/member advantage Legion and Fury quickly take the upper hand (we're talking a matter of days here).

I only just noticed this thread as someone bumped it but I thought id clarify a few things that you mentioned.

WaC and BT decided pretty early in the round not to go at each other but while the agreed on this, how they would fight their round differed significantly. While BT were handing out NAP's left right and centre, WaC went on the offensive, with F-Crew being one of their first targets. Our membership numbers at the time was pushing 400 (We switched websites a week into the round, the old website is still up and it shows 387 members)

We were having a few annoyances with some smaller alliances and weren’t really up for a war with WaC, especially as at the time their name alone won them most battles as the fear it imposed was a major weapon so we went the diplomacy route with them. This wasn’t successful and they just played with us with claims that "it wasn’t organised" and "if you let us know who attacked we will have a word with them". After about a week of this Jonka finally admitted they were yanking our chain and were targeting us which pushed us into full battle mode. The question was "could we take wac on alone?". The answer we came up with was no. Furious Angels (FA) could pretty much be counted as an unofficial F-Crew Battlegroup as hinch was always willing to lend us his members when we needed them but they weren’t going to be enough as they were a shadow of the alliance they would become after the merge with nG a few rounds later.

There had been alot of rumberlings that XFA were also having problems with WaC also and the rumour was that that was part of the reason they had merged with UFP to form UXF. So we approached them about joining up to take on WaC. They were up for it and plans started to form. Now at this point Legion were still WaC and were still part of Legion and they would be for a good few weeks more.

At the same time Zeus had decided something needed done about WaC to kick start the round, he had approached BT (who told him they were napped with WaC so couldn’t help), RE (Who said they weren’t interested) and ND about taking WaC down. With the first two declining he then approached UXF who informed him of the plans we had been working on and the plans were merged. In an attempt to overkill IPC, SK and hirr were also brought on board.

Other alliances were suggested to join (mainly by Zeus) and this included Fury but they were all deemed too small to be useful (ND had more than the 50 members stated, the rank in membership numbers was something like UXF, IPC, F-Crew, hirr, ND, SK and i seem to recall SK were around 150 members). Eventually Zeus did persuade the alliances to talk to Fury, Fury hadn’t at this point made an impact and none of us felt they were upto much (how wrong we were) hence why we weren’t eager to bring them on board. It would turn out when we did speak to them that they couldn’t join in anyway, they had a nap which they couldn’t break. However they did want to help and informed us that they did want to help and would be happy to tie up WaC's ally TE so that they couldn’t help WaC out.

So the plan was in place and we were on a high, a high that wouldn’t last long. Firstly Zeus decided to abuse his admin power to invite everyone to attack WaC which tipped our hand which. The attacks didn’t go well and over the next week 1 by 1 alliances dropped out. hirr took a nap with WaC, IPC closed recruitment and went underground and ND, UXF and SK disbanded. It ended up with just F-Crew left fighting, of all the alliances we had had the most success on attacks and coupled with our stubbornness stuck it out. A number of SK who wanted to continue hitting WaC joined us to boost our number, although war had driven some of the more lightweight members away. We kept battling with them until they disbanded which included a 1 mill on either side battle that crashed the server. When Legion did did leave them we even started seeing our attacks on them become much more successful and saw their attacks decrease and become less successful.

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

ICD (Independent Cluster Defence I think) who were effectively a group of alliances merged under one roof, many alliances would join up and their members would effectively become part of an ICD "core"

tbh the Round 2 ICD is hard to even consider an alliance. ICD as a unit were made up of a small number of members and then a group of HC of other alliances. They were in many ways like NATO, they had a council, had a small number of forces under their control but had very little power as an alliance themselves. They also had very little direct control over the members under their umbrella as the members were accountable to the alliance they belonged to and not ICD.