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Unread 24 Dec 2005, 22:17   #1
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[PAN]Future Non Combat System

This is covering research/construction/production/"espionage"/tech tree.

I'm doing this "Kal-style" as a summary, but will probably soon post separate threads with more indepth discussion of everything, specificially how it'll work in the first round. (depends how my xmas goes)

The four major changes from the current game are basically:
-Introduction of "personalities" in addition to races (basically instead of race bonuses)
-Removal of Engineering (this has changed to constructions more)
-Addition of micromanagement in some sections (optional for paid planets)
-Merging of Scans and Covert Operations into "Espionage"
Personalities
-Selected one off on signup. Unchangable
-Have recommended "normal" bonuses across the board, or specialise in production/construction/research/etc

Research
-Optional micromanagement to research more than one research at once
-Penalty of 5-10% research time given to placing all scientists in one research (to make it worthwhile researching more than 1 thing at once)
-Shows currently available researches, self generating tech tree that shows which researches have been completed, which are available, which are being researched, which can be researched and which can't be researched.
-When micromanagement is disabled, all scientists move to the research with the most agents that is, if nothing else, highest up the list.

Constructions
-Similar selections to before, but now the % of most/all constructions is important, e.g. factories give production time bonuses in their specific factory
-Building centre to speed up constructions
-Security centres now increase alert level by 0.5% (to a maximum of 40)
-Training centres now make agents + security guard costs lower
-When destroyed by structure killers, produce salvage at 25-50%
-When the construction limit is reached, constructions can be destroyed, with 50-75% refund for their costs and a possible time delay.

Production
-Separated more into separate areas, with (as a default) 20/30/50 "production engineers" in the light/medium/heavy factorys.
-Turning off micromanagement moves all engineers back to their respective factories
-Moving engineers gives a bonus/loss to the recieving/losing factory, with moving more engineers becoming less and less effective.
-Destroying a factory loses access to that factory and those engineers, and looses the ships in production, refunding them at their current cancellation fee. The engineers can be accessed again and moved once the construction is made.

Espionage
-Works sort of similar to covert ops in that it's agent based
-Base Alert rate worked out by security guards: roids ratio (capped at 100)
-Alert rate scaled up by 15% for "covert op" missions
-Stealth rate involves random factor, and is dependant on number of agents you send on a mission (dropping rapidly the more agents are sent)
-Missions have a number associated with them relating to possible time delay (in ticks) for the mission. The more agents sent, the smaller ther number is and the quicker the mission is completed.
-(Possibly) having one or two basic "scans"/"covert ops", then splitting the tech tree up into 3 different branches (on planet - research / construction scans, etc, around planet - asteroids destruction / jumpgate scans, in space - fleet scans etc) but this might disadvantage small people too much.

Tech tree
-Created so it can be fully customisable by admin tools, with any one technology being able to enable any account feature and/or next technology.


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Re: Future Non Comabt System

I still strongly disagree to the proposed changed with scans. I think that the scans should be upheld as it is now. Not everybody can be in an alliance and not everyone can get people to scan for u. Keep the scans as it is now.
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

This personality thing sounds a lot like Utopia, at least like Utopia several ages (their rounds) ago, when I played... Same for the Espionage.
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

afaik, no one who put forward the ideas ever played utopia. I spent a couple of weeks going over espionage and redesigning a lot of it and I've never played it. The formulae are no doubt very different :-)
the personalities idea has been kicking around for a while, I know.


The change in scans does mean that amps are no longer so important, so although it still takes time to research the tech trees it means that planets don't have to build up amps.*

The other way of doing this is to split the whole tech tree and put scans down in the second tree, with research for both sections being separate and other techs in this section being say core mining, roids over 2000 and maybe some of the advanced construction limits

*Edit: for clarification, basically this means if anything smaller alliances benefit in terms of not being able to scan distorter whores that many bigger alliances can.
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

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I still strongly disagree to the proposed changed with scans. I think that the scans should be upheld as it is now. Not everybody can be in an alliance and not everyone can get people to scan for u. Keep the scans as it is now.
how does the new scans model make this any more relevant than the old one?
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

The removal of being able to jpscan targets if you are not attacking for example
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

You don't like the fact that anyone can jgp a target even if they don't have a fleet headed in that direction under the new ideas?
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Re: Future Non Combat System

Have to agree with Kargool here. I still like the concept of scans being separate from covert ops. They're two different concepts, two different parts of the game, neccesitating different strategies for each, which I think is a good thing.
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

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Re: Future Non Comabt System

scanners are cool ppl, co opers are gay :/

does this mean that gay ppl are cool with the new set? haha
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Re: Future Non Comabt System

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scanners are cool ppl, co opers are gay :/

does this mean that gay ppl are cool with the new set? haha

What you just said is gay...
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