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8 Sep 2003, 12:38
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Ajaj Kapten!
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Emu
Election in Sweden
So....in a week we will have decided wether or not we want to join the EMU, as it is right now the NO side is winning.
What do you people that live in Euro countries think?
is it any better after the Euro arrived?
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8 Sep 2003, 12:39
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I'm English. so, nfi!
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8 Sep 2003, 12:40
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The Twilight of the Gods
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I thought this would be about emu farms 
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8 Sep 2003, 12:44
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Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
I thought this would be about emu farms
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I made the same mistake when picking up a book in the libary entitled "EMU".
Euros are good for tourists like me travelling between multiple country say on a Western Europe Interail when you don't know how much you want to spend in each country.
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8 Sep 2003, 12:54
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well as a Brit in Germany, it's just another currency. the german coin designs are a bit bland though. my concern at the moment is that the Germans and the French keep breaking all the rules, and that could have some impact down the line, so I would be inclined to say no.
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8 Sep 2003, 12:54
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Mr. Blobby
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Other than shopkeepers abusing the Euro to increase prices (as everything seems cheaper in Euro's than it did in guilders), there isn't any noticeable change.
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8 Sep 2003, 12:58
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Ajaj Kapten!
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None at all?
What does the dutch (you are dutch?) proffesionals say?
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8 Sep 2003, 14:30
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by Ärketrollmannen
None at all?
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From a regular consumer point of view, there is no difference whatsoever, other than the price increase. Of course, that in itself is noticeable enough for everyone to complain about how expensive everything is these days - rightfully so.
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I am dutch. The professionals don't really say much about the Euro anymore, as it's no longer 'news'. It's just there and an accepted currency. Personally, I like having a widely accepted and strong form of currency - not sure what the Euro is currently at exactly, I believe it's at USD 1.10 or so.
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8 Sep 2003, 14:34
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Ajaj Kapten!
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The price increase was not the "euros fault" right? It was the greedy capitalist pigs that increased the prices when they thought noone was looking?
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8 Sep 2003, 14:34
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I was hoping for some retro-gaming stuff here
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8 Sep 2003, 14:48
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Ajaj Kapten!
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we are not all hot for animals
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8 Sep 2003, 14:57
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by Ärketrollmannen
The price increase was not the "euros fault" right?
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Indirectly, it was.
What a lot of shopkeepers did was up the prices to some weird price before the Euro was "released", so that it'd come out on a nice price in Euro afterwards (eg, something costing Hfl. 5,95 suddenly became Hfl. 6,28 so that a few weeks later it'd be € 2,85).
Then, the annual january price increase came in january, on top of that, upping the price with a certain percentage over the new Euro price, making aforementioned €2,85 like €3,05. As a result, what first cost Hfl. 5,95 now cost the equivalent of Hfl. 6,72.
None of it was of course directly the fault of the new monetary system, although a lot of people do blame the Euro for the price increase.
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8 Sep 2003, 14:59
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imo the only downsides of the euro are losing a national item and the price increase. The rest its all better, hell the opec was/is even thinking of switching to euros instead of dollars. Basically it puts europe on the map economically speaking.
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8 Sep 2003, 15:02
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by ParraCida
imo the only downsides of the euro are losing a national item
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I've never understood this whole idea of people basing their national identity on their money anyway. Besides, 8 out of 10 coins that pass through my hands have the Dutch Queen on it. More than enough nationalism for me.
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8 Sep 2003, 15:06
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There was two kinds of price increase in Finland, some because the greedy people took advantage of the general confusion of new currency and made prices a bit higher, and then there was the exchange rate messing up with lots of small prices; bus tickets, cup of coffe etc were in nice exact numbers in finnish marks, 5mk, 10mk, 15mk etc... Since euro was about 6 marks, all those handy exact change prices went up 20%
1 euro beeing ~9 SEK propably wont affect the small stuff as much as it did here, maybe some things will actually be rounded down because of it ( yeah right, dream on).
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8 Sep 2003, 15:11
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by leknu
Since euro was about 6 marks, all those handy exact change prices went up 20%
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At least you don't have to bother with all those highly annoying 1 and 2 eurocent coins
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8 Sep 2003, 15:13
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Funniest thing is that if i can get hold of some 1 and 2 cent coins, they are valid currency here, but if something costs 98 cents i cant use the 1 and 2 cent coins for that exact price, its rounded up to 1e anyway 
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8 Sep 2003, 15:15
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Mr. Blobby
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8 Sep 2003, 15:29
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And here I was all prepared for a thread about stupid fkin birds :/
P.S. the Euro rocks, down with the US dollar etc.
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8 Sep 2003, 19:49
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Ajaj Kapten!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leknu
Funniest thing is that if i can get hold of some 1 and 2 cent coins, they are valid currency here, but if something costs 98 cents i cant use the 1 and 2 cent coins for that exact price, its rounded up to 1e anyway
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what?
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8 Sep 2003, 20:23
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by Ärketrollmannen
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Apparently Finland has a law stating that all prices must be rounded down or up to the nearest 5. As a result, Finland has not printed any 2- or 1-eurocent coins.
Foreign 2- and 1-eurocent coins, are, however, still perfectly legal currency. So you can still pay with them in Finland, although there isn't really a need as a 5-cent piece is the smallest you will need.
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8 Sep 2003, 20:25
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Everyone should use the Pound Sterling. 
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8 Sep 2003, 20:29
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Mr. Blobby
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Originally posted by Proteus
Everyone should use the Pound Sterling.
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It's amusing to see how Britain still thinks it's a world-spanning empire.
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8 Sep 2003, 20:34
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Lord Denning
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Originally posted by Leshy
It's amusing to see how Britain still thinks it's a world-spanning empire.
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It will be once everyone adopts our currency!
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He was crowned in York Cathedral as 'Expert in the West' by Pope Urban III in 1186.
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8 Sep 2003, 20:45
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Quote:
Originally posted by leknu
Funniest thing is that if i can get hold of some 1 and 2 cent coins, they are valid currency here, but if something costs 98 cents i cant use the 1 and 2 cent coins for that exact price, its rounded up to 1e anyway
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Yes you can, although prices indeed are rounded to the nearest 5c
And about the actual debate: Over here the price increase hasn't been more than what normal inflation has caused. In some stores prices have actually gone down. It's just those small boutiques, cafés and marketplace shacks (I'm sure there's a proper word for those) that have used euro as an excuse to noticeably raise prices. If you tend to shop in larger store you won't notice any difference.
The plus-side is of course that using money in other euro-using countries is much easier. You'll notice this when travelling, as it saves much trouble (and nerves). It alone would have made me pro-euro.
If I was Swedish, I'd definately vote "Ja".
P.S. I think the yes side actually has a fair chance. People who are actually unsure tend to be against things. When the time comes, a larger percentage of "jasidan" than "nejsidan" will be arsed to actually go and vote. The French presidential election is a good example of how opinion polls can be terribly misleading
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8 Sep 2003, 21:08
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there is this guy on my ICQ list whose nickname is Emu. He doesnt talk much, infact doesnt talk at all. I wonder if he understands english
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8 Sep 2003, 22:39
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Other than the common side-effect of the price increases it's totally fine.
Its all just money in the end.
No-one gives it a second thought nowadays.
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8 Sep 2003, 23:10
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Mr. Blobby
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Quote:
Originally posted by Muslim
there is this guy on my ICQ list whose nickname is Emu. He doesnt talk much, infact doesnt talk at all. I wonder if he understands english
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How do you know it's a guy?
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9 Sep 2003, 04:55
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awww and i thought this was going to be about the 80's children's television puppet emu.
Yeah i'm game for it (i'm english). I'm not really bothered either way, the new coins looks shiney and new.
I don't really care what coins i have in my pocket. They're only dollars and cents, only pounds and pence, and the mark and yen, and yen.
There are a whole bunch of economical factor and arguments (for and against) i could come up with. But i'm sick of it now, fcuk it. Join. If it fcuks up. It fcuks up.
I'm going to carry on using the word 'quid' for euros anyway. Primaily to annoy people.
Love, Weeks
p.s. i want the bank of england involved in this EMU malarky. Else it will make my changing tube-lines at the Bank underground tube station feel less special.
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9 Sep 2003, 06:59
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Ajaj Kapten!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Red
Yes you can, although prices indeed are rounded to the nearest 5c
And about the actual debate: Over here the price increase hasn't been more than what normal inflation has caused. In some stores prices have actually gone down. It's just those small boutiques, cafés and marketplace shacks (I'm sure there's a proper word for those) that have used euro as an excuse to noticeably raise prices. If you tend to shop in larger store you won't notice any difference.
The plus-side is of course that using money in other euro-using countries is much easier. You'll notice this when travelling, as it saves much trouble (and nerves). It alone would have made me pro-euro.
If I was Swedish, I'd definately vote "Ja".
P.S. I think the yes side actually has a fair chance. People who are actually unsure tend to be against things. When the time comes, a larger percentage of "jasidan" than "nejsidan" will be arsed to actually go and vote. The French presidential election is a good example of how opinion polls can be terribly misleading
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I am voting "Ja" 
But I just had the miracoulously (sp????) good idea of actually asking people here
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9 Sep 2003, 08:30
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ärketrollmannen
I am voting "Ja"
But I just had the miracoulously (sp????) good idea of actually asking people here
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Miraculously. I think.
The Finnish media has been ranting about the Sweden's EMU descisions way too much. It's quite boring already, but perhaps the mags badly lack things to write about having to talk about... Well...
It has barely had any impact here in Finland, except for the price meddling mentioned above. A few €'s ain't much, but a few tenners (in FIM) used to be some money... Or then it's that I have more money nowadays.
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9 Sep 2003, 08:36
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I think it's time we blow this scene, get everybody and the stuff together..........
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9 Sep 2003, 08:37
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heh, I never noticed a price rise. in fact I noticed a huge drop, because England is so fking expensive compared to Europe.
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9 Sep 2003, 11:06
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heh, I never noticed a price rise. in fact I noticed a huge drop, because England is so fking expensive compared to Europe.
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Excuse my stupidity, but ...
What's England got to do with this?
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9 Sep 2003, 11:44
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scorpio
Excuse my stupidity, but ...
What's England got to do with this?
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Originally posted by Radical Edward
well as a Brit in Germany, it's just another currency. the german coin designs are a bit bland though. my concern at the moment is that the Germans and the French keep breaking all the rules, and that could have some impact down the line, so I would be inclined to say no.
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9 Sep 2003, 12:09
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Re: Emu
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as it is right now the NO side is winning.
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9 Sep 2003, 23:44
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Ajaj Kapten!
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Why?
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9 Sep 2003, 23:49
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Mr. Blobby
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The English don't want to give up their world empire coinage with the queen on it. And they don't want to follow Europe's guidelines in regard to their economy, as it's their island and no one has anything to say about them.
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10 Sep 2003, 00:02
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Ajaj Kapten!
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I do believe they will have the queen on a couple of coins
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10 Sep 2003, 00:05
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Mr. Blobby
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I do believe they will have the queen on a couple of coins
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But not on any of the notes :eek:
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10 Sep 2003, 00:32
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I thought this would be about emu farms
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me too. and i was going to discuss their close brothers in arms: ostriches, and how tasty they are.
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Quote:
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And they don't want to follow Europe's guidelines in regard to their economy, as it's their island and no one has anything to say about them.
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It's more of the fact we're scared of a super-state.
I reckon it'd be in our interested to lively-up the smaller nations into making sure they get their voices heard and acted apon. Not that we think they are going to lie down and die, just keep a careful eye out and make sure they dont .
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