An unsubstantiated look at attack tactics.

[Barrow|Pony]

I just thought it might be interesting to point out the differences between the attack tactics in the top 5 alliances, from the point of view of my pretty little post as measly ND DC.

Judging solely and totally on the amount and origin of incoming against NewDawn, it seems that VSN, LCH, and Mistu (whether attacking collectively or not), are attacking down the food chain, so to speak. To catch up wtih 1up, a significant amount of their fleets are attacking smaller galaxies and less potent alliances for easy roids, as opposed to dedicating their entire fleet to eradicating the opposition at the top.

Clearly, 1up is also attacking downwards, as they currently sit atop the rankings, but instead of attempting to get easy roids to increase the gap between them and LCH, they appear to be focusing on hitting those that present the biggest threat to their #1 status.

1up seems to be hitting their most direct competition, while VSN, LCH, and Mistu appear to be hitting less competetive galaxies with the intent to outgrow 1up.

I thought it was an interesting commentary on the differing principles and methods by which these four alliances struggle for top positions. I was also wondering if this is an intentional tactic by both sides, or I'm just making it up.

I fully expect to have numbers and targets stuffed up my nose in response to this from 1up, VSN, LCH, and Mistu MO's, but...i'm just curious.

cheers

[Legator]

do you really expect mo´s saying "yea we are roiding n00b galaxies" ??

[Barrow|Pony]

Originally Posted by Legator

do you really expect mo´s saying "yea we are roiding n00b galaxies" ??

Probably not - although I would give them significantly more credit if they did.

Its clearly a valid tactic, I'm just not convinced its the most profitable one. Thats why I'm interested in hearing what people have to say.

[Lord_Thunderball]

Without me, LCH doesn't have it most succesfull Noob Roider ever... I doubt they "do" noobs as good as I did

Me waits till Nitros admits he is attacking me constant...

[Kjeldoran]

1up attacks noob planets and galaxies aswell, maybe ND has had less of such attacks then other alliances. IF my alliance would be fighting for the top, I'd take a mixture of the 2 you described. Cause the best way to catch up after e.g. a rough night of heavy incs is to get some easy roids.
But when things go well and you're not that pushed into defence, I think we'd aim for the galaxies and planets that pose the most treats.

[Jonas]

Insomnia attacks free accounts exclusively

[Synthetic_Sid]

Barrow's comments on 1up are definitely accurate - our attacking priority is to focus on the biggest hostile targets we can find - especially those in 1up galaxies who previously grew fat while benefitting from the galaxy NAP extended by us.

As of about 24 hours ago I doubt you'll find any 1up members attacking newbie galaxies - unless those galaxies possess members of alliances who we consider to be openly hostile, or are attacking 1up themselves.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Barrow's comments on 1up are definitely accurate - our attacking priority is to focus on the biggest hostile targets we can find - especially those in 1up galaxies who previously grew fat while benefitting from the galaxy NAP extended by us.

As of about 24 hours ago I doubt you'll find any 1up members attacking newbie galaxies - unless those galaxies possess members of alliances who we consider to be openly hostile, or are attacking 1up themselves.

lol, as of about 24 hours ... nice one. Abit late don't you think?

[Cocteau]

Quite surprised MISTU is part of that list. Last thing I know the actions that they undergo the past 1 month is like a full round for other alliances. They are quite aggressive despite the odds of being at war with 2 alliances bigger than them. Probably, a few ND planets ingal of MISTU's original alliance/s targets needs to be covered.

[Tis]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

lol, as of about 24 hours ... nice one. Abit late don't you think?

youre funny kjel.

[Precursors]

There are no noob galaxies, there are unfortunate good players in bad galaxies

[The-Matrix]

or players that wern't bright enough to exile those damn inactives b4 tick start who keep getting crappy free accounts in gal

[Tis]

kjel doesnt like me

[14:57] <Kjeldoran> how about
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> you don't comment on stuff you know shit about?
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> atleast KNOW what's it about before you make lame replies

(pardon the logs)


edit - on a related note, i think hed take it as an insult if someone said ''good morning''

[Barrow|Pony]

Originally Posted by Cocteau

Quite surprised MISTU is part of that list. Last thing I know the actions that they undergo the past 1 month is like a full round for other alliances. They are quite aggressive despite the odds of being at war with 2 alliances bigger than them. Probably, a few ND planets ingal of MISTU's original alliance/s targets needs to be covered.

Even so, juding by the size of the galaxies being targeted, regardless of affiliation - the planets they select to attack dont exactly appear to be the most prominent threat to their success.

Just something i though worthy of comment :P

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Tis

kjel doesnt like me

[14:57] <Kjeldoran> how about
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> you don't comment on stuff you know shit about?
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> atleast KNOW what's it about before you make lame replies

(pardon the logs)


edit - on a related note, i think hed take it as an insult if someone said ''good morning''

the pm was simple: You made a comment on something you will never have a clue about. Kinda sad if you do that, it's like jumping the bandwagon without knowing what's it about. But I guess it suits you, not?

And pasting logs ... top!!!

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

the pm was simple: You made a comment on something you will never have a clue about. Kinda sad if you do that, it's like jumping the bandwagon without knowing what's it about. But I guess it suits you, not?

And pasting logs ... top!!!

You still moaning about your planet getting cnutted?

Get over it, everyone had to last round while MF(P) were bashing them into the floor.

[Tis]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

the pm was simple: You made a comment on something you will never have a clue about. Kinda sad if you do that, it's like jumping the bandwagon without knowing what's it about. But I guess it suits you, not?

And pasting logs ... top!!!

I guess youre right, my comment (that you were funny) is unprovable. I will never know whether you are actually funny, or just plain stupid, so I guess you are right.

As for the greater context, Id wager a great deal i know more about 1up attack strategies/patterns, both past and present, than you do. Id also question your position and judgement as far as our strategic decisions are concerned.

I suspect you just have a database of random 'comebacks', and anytime anyone posts something you dont like, you grab one. Its kinda fun... like those one-a-day dilbert calendar things... never know what your going to get.

[lokken]

ANYWAY, BACK ON TOPIC.

And yeah alliance 1 seems to be a doing a decent job while 2 3 4 seem to shy away when they could do something useful and close that ever widening gap to 1, cos it would make sense to do that cos while they target each others and below, everyone is locked into a battle which allows 1 to pull away even further.

But hey they won't listen to me so this post is utterly pointless. The joys of AD

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Tis

I guess youre right, my comment (that you were funny) is unprovable. I will never know whether you are actually funny, or just plain stupid, so I guess you are right.

As for the greater context, Id wager a great deal i know more about 1up attack strategies/patterns, both past and present, than you do. Id also question your position and judgement as far as our strategic decisions are concerned.

I suspect you just have a database of random 'comebacks', and anytime anyone posts something you dont like, you grab one. Its kinda fun... like those one-a-day dilbert calendar things... never know what your going to get.

ya whatever ... seems I'm not cut out to even to try and prove a point on AD. Most posters here are too retarded or have grudges against me. That and the bandwagon jumpers ...

To mazz, an incorrect conclussion.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

ya whatever ... seems I'm not cut out to even to try and prove a point on AD. Most posters here are too retarded or have grudges against me. That and the bandwagon jumpers ...

To mazz, an incorrect conclussion.

So the pm we had the other night where you were whining about 1up hitting your small planet and this is why you are quitting PA is just a figment of my imagination?

You go, girl!!!111eleven

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

So the pm we had the other night where you were whining about 1up hitting your small planet and this is why you are quitting PA is just a figment of my imagination?

You go, girl!!!111eleven

again, and I'll try to say this nicely .... you are wrong, it is NOT the point of my reply nor is it why I posted my reply. Just leave yourself out of this convo will you? At no point was this about you nor do I wish to argue about this with you.

And what is it with you pple? you need to end your post with an insult?

[DrunkenViking]

cant ppl just grow up, stop trying to outgrow 1up, but beat them down and take their fckin roids?

your all wuzzes is a fancy-pants universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

cant ppl just grow up, stop trying to outgrow 1up, but beat them down and take their fckin roids?

[lokken]

like the viking said

wussie pants

[Cayl]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

ya whatever ... seems I'm not cut out to even to try and prove a point on AD.

If you have a point, could you at least try and come around to it once in a while?

[Colt]

Zhil will like this one but id guess if alliances 2,3,4 hit 1up all the time they would come crying on these boards whinging that it is unfair and that they have been blocked against them etc etc (meant towards some of their posters, not the ally as a whole, unlike how some ppl perceive posts )

on the otherside, i think it is the wiser decision to attack 1up otherwise their lead will just keep growing Hitting n00bs in the beginning is pretty profitable but now that alliances have their "intel" and are bigger maybe they should start focusing on the ppl at the top and not go for the easy roids which just sounds like an excuse not to fight the "big boys"...

Zhil: look, i gave 1up a compliment, shock horror

[TheRat]

/me gets the feeling Kj is a bitter old man..

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Colt

id guess if alliances 2,3,4 hit 1up all the time

They are.....

Originally Posted by Colt

they would come crying on these boards whinging that it is unfair and that they have been blocked against them

.....and we aren't

[Gerbie]

Which alliances then? Fusi0n, The Hellraisers, Lupine Crux and Valhalla?

[AzureWrath]

Gerbie makes a funny

[Lokie]

Valhalla... is that a top 5 alliance?

[Achilles]

No, Valhalla is ToF now. They are the alliance above FAnG on the Universe board. I still smile every time I see that.

/me runs off to look again

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Achilles

No, Valhalla is ToF now. They are the alliance above FAnG on the Universe board. I still smile every time I see that.

/me runs off to look again

It's not a challenge to be ranked above FAnG this round, I'd even claim the opposite

[Axis_WLF]

Nothing wrong in taking roids where your losses can be 0, as long as the profit is worth it of course. Ok 1up hit down the food chain a bit, but they also I am told were hitting their hostiles. The other I suppose top alliances were all hitting down the food chain but were they hitting 1up at all?

My opinion "which is based on how alliances in the past did this same thing", if you do not attack 1up, and I am not talking hitting their TOP galaxies I am talking about hitting their fodder, defence etc, then ya can kiss the round goodbye. Alliances in the past avoided hitting our galaxies hoping to hit lesser peeps trying to catch up and it really did not work.

What is the key? Well here are a number of things ya can do.

#1: Launch at the bottom/medium ranked galaxies of your enemies alliance. Take out their lower ranks which are usually the peeps that defend the most.

#2: Fake launch ships on their top galaxies, wait a few hours while they use all the lower/medium planets to defend then launch on their lower/medium rank planets, cause ffs who is gonna defend them?

#3: Fake launch on the lower/medium ranked and then attack their top peeps. This is tougher because the peeps who are at the top, can pull defence out of their bum which would not normally be used to defend the lower/medium ranked peeps unless they were personal friends.

#4: Change attack times and keep them sporadic. This can really mess up an alliances fleet pattern. If you can keep an enemies fleet constantly going and coming while they gain little or have to defend alot then you really can annoy the piss out of them. The attacks can be fake or real but either way you are going to disrupt them and that is the point. Disrupting the usual routine is where you find flaws in their plans and are able to use that to gain a foothole or lead.

[Seed of Chaos]

Originally Posted by Tis

youre funny kjel.

Originally Posted by Tis

kjel doesnt like me

[14:57] <Kjeldoran> how about
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> you don't comment on stuff you know shit about?
[14:57] <Kjeldoran> atleast KNOW what's it about before you make lame replies

(pardon the logs)


edit - on a related note, i think hed take it as an insult if someone said ''good morning''

no, YOU'RE funny, Tis... god that comment made me laugh

[rshih]

Tis is sexeh