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Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Ladies and Gentleman and CareBears.
This is an official announcement on behalf of the NewDawn HC team.
From this moment and until further notice, NewDawn is officially declaring war on Ascendancy.
We are currently going to try and do this alone, until people offer support to the cause. As we do not want to build up a block, to then try and take down another alliance.
Ascendancy are running away with the round, and if everyone carries on being pussies, then we might as well end the round now, and all play for our own planet ranks.
And how boring is that.
So from this moment forward, NewDawn will be aiming all our fleets towards Ascendancy and expect to see hostile Ascendancy fleets coming back at us aswell.
So fellow alliances around, you have 3 options.
1. Get involved, pick a side, and join the fun.
2. Sit on the fence
3. Do nothing, and try and gain from others bashing each other.
We expect most of you people to pick option 2.
But if some of you other alliances out there get some balls and decide to join the party.
You can find ND HC's in #newdawn.
Or you can go find Asc.
This isn't a plea for you to join our side.
This is a declaration of our intentions, whether its successful or not is a different matter, but hey.
LETS NOT ALL BE GHEY AND SIT ON THE FENCE FOR ONCE.
LETS HAVE SOME FUN.
-damo8
-Spritfire
-Amon
-Catwoman
-SteInMetz
On behalf of the NewDawn HC team.
It's up to you to decide if the round is over at PT 610, or do we still want an exciting round?
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11 Sep 2008, 05:49
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mz.
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Finally.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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11 Sep 2008, 06:50
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Apprime Troll HC
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
well when urwins and denial were running away with the round everyone banged them so i dont see why Asc shouldnt get banged around a little to see if they can hold the fort
target them and tell your members not to defend them ingal! Asc has always relied on whoring def ingal, being the only part who can defend everyone.
love this initiative btw!
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11 Sep 2008, 06:59
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CRASHING BEATS 'N FANTASY
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Finally a second ranked alliance with balls. Good game there, let's meet (and meat) each other on the battlefield.
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11 Sep 2008, 07:08
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The Original Carebear
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Took you long enough.
Good initiative.
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11 Sep 2008, 07:12
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
It is a pity such a bold move will see them slip to 3rd place in all probability, but like the attitude SteinMetz
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11 Sep 2008, 07:15
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
why would they care if they ended 2nd or 3rd?
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11 Sep 2008, 08:13
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Registered User
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
What is the difference between options 2 and 3?
Anyway good iniative. I just hope CT joins the action instead of trying to win by fencing. That would be the lamest win ever.
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11 Sep 2008, 08:43
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[ND]
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
This should liven things up a little I reckon
I know ethics and pa don't match and they shouldn't, but I'm glad that the command of the lower ranked steps up the plate and yells up the mountain "Hey were coming for ya!"
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11 Sep 2008, 08:46
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mz.
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
What the hell does this have to do with ethics?
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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11 Sep 2008, 08:48
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Hibernating
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Good luck ND (you'll need lots of it to beat Asc)
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11 Sep 2008, 09:15
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Up The Hatters!
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
1. Get involved, pick a side, and join the fun.
2. Sit on the fence
3. Do nothing, and try and gain from others bashing each other.
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Where is the option for : Trying to learn Sayjiner not to crash his fleet?
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11 Sep 2008, 09:32
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Come Closer, I Have Candy
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Gl ND, I am definitely going to be keeping an eye on this one.
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Originally Posted by Zirikk
Anyway good iniative. I just hope CT joins the action instead of trying to win by fencing. That would be the lamest win ever.
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Agreed
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11 Sep 2008, 09:43
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Fencing rules.
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11 Sep 2008, 09:44
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Ubi concordia, ibi victor
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
War??? In PA... oh My Goodness...
GJ & GL NewDawn! Hope this can save this worst of worst rounds, even tho it might very well be too late, in any case it can't be/get much worse than the first 600 ticks!
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11 Sep 2008, 09:47
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
I liked my fence (((
Guess this is where it get's interesting then
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11 Sep 2008, 09:54
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
yay for ponies!
- Illogical
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11 Sep 2008, 10:15
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
I don't think ND nor CT have what it takes to beat Asc, but i like this official war declaration thingy, so ND gets the first score.
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11 Sep 2008, 10:30
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
Join Date: Sep 2000
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
so how hard did you struggle to keep from announcing this before the 9/11 ? JIHAD!
I'll agree with mz, Finally. I havent landed for salvage in fking ages :/
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11 Sep 2008, 10:31
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
finally some balls!
congrats and gl!
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11 Sep 2008, 10:41
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
The only people fencing this round are the big hostile planets in mainly asc gals.. I'm sure we've had over 100 fleets incoming per night on average in asc, mainly on the same people over and over though, and not even those with most roids
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Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
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11 Sep 2008, 10:47
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mz.
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Hey Golan, how many hostiles did you get today? 27?
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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11 Sep 2008, 10:53
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EMO HC OF ASCENDANCY
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
god. knew you had a silly forum name golan, but didnt know it was that bad
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11 Sep 2008, 11:08
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The Original Carebear
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
And so you are enlightened.
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11 Sep 2008, 11:28
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
hi damo.
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11 Sep 2008, 11:40
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Finally a war that starts on a good reason.. hope many will join
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11 Sep 2008, 11:41
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
lol, cant help but feel this is a reaction to my post in a previous thread 3 hours earlier, there's probably an easier way to go make a point, but i guess i wont complain. Still, too little, too late, I guess u can hope for the r26 tactic vs Denial and hope u've bored them enough to death that they throw it away. Good luck etc.
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11 Sep 2008, 11:58
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
This isn't a plea for you to join our side.
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That's exactly what it is. Even though you won't arrange attacks together, you're still encouraging people to attack your target of choice and thus making them join you in the fight (which you in the end hope will give ND the #1)
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11 Sep 2008, 12:24
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
bout bloody time
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11 Sep 2008, 12:27
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by Nadar
That's exactly what it is. Even though you won't arrange attacks together, you're still encouraging people to attack your target of choice and thus making them join you in the fight (which you in the end hope will give ND the #1)
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How could you read that?
Ofcourse we want ND to be #1, if you find that strange, then that's your problem.
But as the post stated, it is up to each of the other alliances to decide what they do, it even say that you can go find asc if that's what you prefer.
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Originally Posted by VenoX
lol, cant help but feel this is a reaction to my post in a previous thread 3 hours earlier, there's probably an easier way to go make a point, but i guess i wont complain. Still, too little, too late, I guess u can hope for the r26 tactic vs Denial and hope u've bored them enough to death that they throw it away. Good luck etc.
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This post was sketched up around 4pm yesterday.
And while we're at it. What did CareBears do before they/you started to fold?
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11 Sep 2008, 13:20
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
So NewDawn publicly announce their intention to begin something that other alliances have already started doing, and they win the award for Outstanding Politics in the field of Alliance Initiatives and Interventions?
Where's the justice
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11 Sep 2008, 13:45
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Quote:
Originally Posted by smith-
So NewDawn publicly announce their intention to begin something that other alliances have already started doing, and they win the award for Outstanding Politics in the field of Alliance Initiatives and Interventions?
Where's the justice
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What exactly did your alliance do?
Newdawn's actions are a result of your three alliance pact (CT+VGN+VSN) doing so terribly, if I was you I'd just say thank you
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11 Sep 2008, 14:54
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
How could you read that?
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I believe it is called 'reading behind the lines' or some crazy saying like that.
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11 Sep 2008, 15:47
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
And while we're at it. What did CareBears do before they/you started to fold?
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Exactly what we intended to do, nothing. We were never fighting for #1, was never our job to make anything happen.
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11 Sep 2008, 15:50
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NewDawn HC
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by VenoX
lol, cant help but feel this is a reaction to my post in a previous thread 3 hours earlier, there's probably an easier way to go make a point, but i guess i wont complain. Still, too little, too late, I guess u can hope for the r26 tactic vs Denial and hope u've bored them enough to death that they throw it away. Good luck etc.
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Hey VenoX.
In fact, the post was created around 24 hours or so before it was pasted on AD. I spent some time whilst at work drawing it up.
Hopefully it serves its purpose.
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11 Sep 2008, 16:12
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
word.
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11 Sep 2008, 17:25
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by smith-
So NewDawn publicly announce their intention to begin something that other alliances have already started doing, and they win the award for Outstanding Politics in the field of Alliance Initiatives and Interventions?
Where's the justice
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Its a common practice tbh, you see it every few rounds. The alliance that is in the best position to do something and who should have been doing something sooner realises they have done sod all and that they are in line for negative pr.
So they make some grand gesture on here so they can go "we tried" without really doing anything rather than try and really organise something. There's certain a few alliance below them who seem to be trying to do something who if they were serious they could have approached for help, and probably a few below that who if there wasn't something solid and organised on the table would probably be interested in listening to what ND had to say but instead they have tried to guilt trip people into blindly attacking Asc so that they look good
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11 Sep 2008, 18:04
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
ND takes a swing...
...aaaaaand a miss.
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11 Sep 2008, 19:06
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
We are currently going to try and do this alone
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11 Sep 2008, 19:11
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Did this post really require hours of work, undertaken by two people? I think not!
Anyway GL, and b4 u rant at venox, we all know Denial>ND any day of the week, and twice on sundays! xxx
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11 Sep 2008, 20:27
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
I dont understand why everyone gives you props for this move.
Its a war game, so war is expected.
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11 Sep 2008, 20:32
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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I dont understand why everyone gives you props for this move.
Its a war game, so war is expected.
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It is probably because the other alliance in the top 3 was so far too scared to do anything. Probably that alliance is now going to jump on a bandwagon but so far they were unwilled to wage war against their biggest opponent.
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11 Sep 2008, 21:57
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
ND were the only alliance I thought that were going to have the nuts to take us on because if there is one thing they definitely have, it's self respect. So it comes as no surprise to me whatsoever.
You talk about not asking for help but isn't that the point of posts like this. You could have just hit Ascendancy and make your intentions perfectly clear. So really, I think your intent is to block and your post is very much a call to arms. Which you could have been honest about.
By all means, block as much you like - it is a more than legitimate (if not sensible) tactic. But I felt this was a thinly veiled effort that couldn't be left untouched.
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11 Sep 2008, 22:33
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
/me holds ND banners!!
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12 Sep 2008, 00:10
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Oh people trying to break my fence :/
Im glad im in ct and cant do shit along with my beloved allies VsN and VGN
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12 Sep 2008, 00:38
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by GJN
It is a pity such a bold move will see them slip to 3rd place in all probability, but like the attitude SteinMetz
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We all couldnt care less tbh, at least the fun starts now.
Reminds me of our war vs Ex, David vs Goliath lol. This round is soooooooooo damn boring anyways, so why not stirr it up. We have been #2 for quite some rounds, cant remember we ended #6...but who knows, we might be lucky this round :P
And Wakey, plz do get some Balls m8 and try to do something fun and suprisingly this round before this game is dead (checked playersbase each round?)...
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12 Sep 2008, 01:14
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
Good move from ND HC, but be sure there are peons in every alliance who'd like to be part of it, regarless of their own HCs attitude.
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Pretty sure i could post several asc crashes, not to speak of caj's nice selfbash last round sir! But ofc, like in every other ally, ND has some crashers, some ppl that belive half the incoming def fleets are filled with nice cuddly tooth fairies that wont hurt theyre ships! And theyre always suprised when they end up watching all theyre ships gone :P Or most of it, as in this case they stole some back :P
How was the salvage?
And this round is so boring anyway, that even if this is a war in vain it still spices it up a bit
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12 Sep 2008, 03:01
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
I think it's incredibly presumptive to think you know what's going on inside the heads of HCs of alliances you're not in.
I also think NewDawn have been approached on several occasions with the view to working together by a variety of alliances, and each time come up dry. This 'Call to Arms' is a slap in the face to everybody that's spoken to them about working together; only to be ignored.
It's a propegandic post that instead of rallying support from the people who's attention you need to grab (alliance HCs/BCs) - it's insulting and not likely to get a positive response at all.
I tell you what NewDawn - go for it. If you think you can do it alone, please by all means. If you want to come on here and act like the knights in shining armour, at least make sure you're in a position to make such a challenge.
Your activity is worse than Ascendancy's, and your value is much much lower. Trying to take them on alone is a fool's errand, so if you want to fail miserably (which you will) by going it alone, THIS is the exact post you needed to make. Really takes the pressure off if you don't actually stand a chance of succeeding anyway, right?
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Re: Lets Get This Round Started - Fence Sitting Over
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Originally Posted by smith-
I think it's incredibly presumptive to think you know what's going on inside the heads of HCs of alliances you're not in.
I also think NewDawn have been approached on several occasions with the view to working together by a variety of alliances, and each time come up dry. This 'Call to Arms' is a slap in the face to everybody that's spoken to them about working together; only to be ignored.
It's a propegandic post that instead of rallying support from the people who's attention you need to grab (alliance HCs/BCs) - it's insulting and not likely to get a positive response at all.
I tell you what NewDawn - go for it. If you think you can do it alone, please by all means. If you want to come on here and act like the knights in shining armour, at least make sure you're in a position to make such a challenge.
Your activity is worse than Ascendancy's, and your value is much much lower. Trying to take them on alone is a fool's errand, so if you want to fail miserably (which you will) by going it alone, THIS is the exact post you needed to make. Really takes the pressure off if you don't actually stand a chance of succeeding anyway, right?
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Since ur so elegantly slagging us off, mind telling the peons of ND which allys that have been getting in touch with us, try to work out a war against ascendancy? And i mean, i trully wanna know, sir. So pls do elaborate
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