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Unread 3 Mar 2009, 23:05   #101
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VGN hasnt been targetted by ascendancy, they are in a relatively pleasant position of being reasonably strong, but not so strong that they are anything but the auxilliary in any war so dont take the big hits. Only if it was VGN vs Asc would Asc seriously engage VGN... so basically a long lasting effort is laudable and praiseworthy as far as it goes but its not exactly comparable to the effort put in by omen as the principle in most of the war until the last few days.
Sorry, sometimes i don't express myself very well, i am not disagreeing with you, i was also suggesting that it wasn't exactly "heroic". VGN never have had much to lose, alternatively i do commend the effort Omen put in as they were always going to be the ones that felt the backlash.
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all this open policy stuff has given me an idea ,

hey wish how bout we team up cnut Ct then fight for the top spot

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hey wish how bout we team up cnut Ct then fight for the top spot

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They've been beaten by us twice already, going for a round 3 wouldn't be such a great idea.
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I wouldn't mind this. Omen are certainly the only other alliance I wouldn't mind winning. They made it interesting. They put the effort in. They brought the war! They also caused me to get out of bed lots .
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Re: An open message to Planetarion

Well, I spose I could make a reply here, cause there is alot of BS here, and alot of outright lies and things which aint correct... So here goes:

ND dropped out already yesterday, and it was known they wouldnt be attacking asc tonight, before this mail / joke of a forum thread was created. So I wouldnt blame ND so much for it, they just see things differently than the rest I spose.

As I see it, the most likely winners of the round are Asc, since they will be able to get shitloads of XP of nice escorts the last days.
that being said, they are above most in avg. Value, and having roids at this stage of the round isnt really all that important.
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Re: An open message to Planetarion

I was under the impression that the day before this 'threat' of JBG's ND didnt ptarget asc anyway, went for 6:9 (fielding 1 wave in total on the asc players there and about 20 on the orbits) and another relatively small gal that wasnt especially asc heavy? So the whole point seems rather mute to me and appears to be more like JBG enticing some anti-ND pro-asc propaganda!

It would be interesting to hear how many waves asc got in total from ND last night to clarify as to how enamoured ND were with the 'war' before JBG's threats.
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As I see it, the most likely winners of the round are Asc, since they will be able to get shitloads of XP of nice escorts the last days.
that being said, they are above most in avg. Value, and having roids at this stage of the round isnt really all that important.
You're forgetting there's another 4.5 weeks, not 1.5 left!
Nice propaganda effort though!

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As I see it, the most likely winners of the round are Asc, since they will be able to get shitloads of XP of nice escorts the last days.
And Y cant omen players do xp teamups too? does asc have an exclusive on xp teams?

no ofc not - so Y would the last days change anything?
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Hey Ascendancy, how about You and CT team up for the remainder of the round, wtfpwn everyone else. Ascendancy gets their 3 in a row, and CT get to be portrayed as the 'bad guys'... From the looks of things, that's all CT has a chance of achieving anyways this round, so -win win-!

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Well, ur more behind on the shown perhaps. And shorter on the hidden? Who knows, and who cares tbh :P The rule of the universe is that no ally is allowed the hattrick. Everyone knew asc would get bashed, then again Omen was the only guys who had balls to do it early
Many posts in this thread are a load of rubbish but this one grabbed my particular attention. Fury didn't win three in a row because Legion went under new management and a new alliance emerged to stop everyone. Legion didn't win three in a row because a bunch of like minded individuals (and I was one) decided that the way the game was panning out wasn't the direction the game should be headed. 1up didn't win three in a row because a new alliance came to challenge them with new levels of dedication. And exilition didn't win three in a row because they never attempted it. No alliance has ever been beaten on the basis that you can't win three in a row, or turned on by the universe to stop it winning because it might get that groundbreaking third win. This is the first time it has happened in the history of planetarion per se, so how you describe it as a 'rule' I'm not really sure. So please stop trading in terrible myths that don't exist.

As for the point about 'bashed' - this is anything but the case. Bashed would mean we'd be out of contention, but far from it - we've been a wonderfully difficult target. For what it's worth I'm from the camp that doesn't really care how we play, because I know that if we're going to win, we're going to have to earn it and work bloody hard. Even so, I am pretty set against threads like this because quite honestly how anyone can not expect incoming to the kind of levels we've been receiving is beyond me. I'm not sure how this thread can look as anything other than a whine, but then again, I cut a pretty lone figure in this game these days.

I am pretty certain that the status quo would have resulted in NewDawn and Omen utterly broken for morale (and Omen's is pretty fragile already if I'm reading their actions correctly) and leave Ascendancy in a race against time to win the game. Moreover, one thing that JBG described that was totally accurate was the sheer tedium of the whole situation. Naturally, we could have kept going a long time, but it was a pretty dull way of going about things. So in that sense, he's done everyone a favour. Except CT. But they're first at the moment and don't really deserve one.

But really the biggest compliment we can ever receive is an agreement from hirr, who have a fantastic tradition in the game. I have massive respect for them and for them to show it to Ascendancy in return is a considerable honour, regardless of their size.
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As I see it, the most likely winners of the round are Asc, since they will be able to get shitloads of XP of nice escorts the last days.
that being said, they are above most in avg. Value, and having roids at this stage of the round isnt really all that important.
Wait, so we're high on average value but we're still going to be able to cap the most xp? Man, we're like neo from the ****ing matrix aren't we?
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No alliance has ever been beaten on the basis that you can't win three in a row, or turned on by the universe to stop it winning because it might get that groundbreaking third win. This is the first time it has happened in the history of planetarion per se, so how you describe it as a 'rule' I'm not really sure. So please stop trading in terrible myths that don't exist.
If I am not wrong, I of course could be.

Denial played a round to stop ND winning the hat-trick.

Venox / Reese could probably claerify this!
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Denial played a round to stop ND winning the hat-trick.
Venox / Reese could probably claerify this!
That sounds terribly destructive to me.. :-/
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If I am not wrong, I of course could be.

Denial played a round to stop ND winning the hat-trick.

Venox / Reese could probably claerify this!
Yeah, only reason we signed up was to stop ND winning 3 in a row.
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If I am not wrong, I of course could be.

Denial played a round to stop ND winning the hat-trick.

Venox / Reese could probably claerify this!
ND's reign at the top was ended by Ascendancy, not Denial. And we just wanted to win for a bloody change, it just happened to be r26. So i'd say my point still holds valid.
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Wait, so we're high on average value but we're still going to be able to cap the most xp? Man, we're like neo from the ****ing matrix aren't we?
your value is heavy centered around some players, while u still have very good and active late starters / people from previous asc gals which had a shit start.
they will be escorted to alot of xp, which will give u guys a massive boost.

If theres one thing in asc, its that people play like a team, and most dont care too much about their own ranks, while other alliances have too many people which actually give a shit if they end top20 or top50, and if their gal ends top 5.

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your value is heavy centered around some players, while u still have very good and active late starters / people from previous asc gals which had a shit start.
they will be escorted to alot of xp, which will give u guys a massive boost.
To be honest man, our t60 looks pretty much like your t60 in terms of value (excluding hidden, I dunno how much you guys have but we don't have much). Anything below the t60 isn't really relevant in terms of score accumulation from xp.
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your value is heavy centered around some players, while u still have very good and active late starters / people from previous asc gals which had a shit start.
they will be escorted to alot of xp, which will give u guys a massive boost.

If theres one thing in asc, its that people play like a team, and most dont care too much about their own ranks, while other alliances have too many people which actually give a shit if they end top20 or top50, and if their gal ends top 5.

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your value is heavy centered around some players, while u still have very good and active late starters / people from previous asc gals which had a shit start.
they will be escorted to alot of xp, which will give u guys a massive boost.

If theres one thing in asc, its that people play like a team, and most dont care too much about their own ranks, while other alliances have too many people which actually give a shit if they end top20 or top50, and if their gal ends top 5.

sadly
For a gal to achieve top 5 is pretty darn easy, whoever "gives a shit" for t5 rather then top 1 is pretty darn lame... For galaxy ranks as far as i concerned only top 1 matters....
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If theres one thing in asc, its that people play like a team, and most dont care too much about their own ranks, while other alliances have too many people which actually give a shit if they end top20 or top50, and if their gal ends top 5.
Not to mention Asc crashes way less.

On point to the thread, as Wish said - ND had already ceased attacking Asc, so any "stop hitting us or we'll hit you" kind of supposition regarding it is flawed from the start.

Oh, and my opinion is that this round wont be won by omen or Asc, no matter how much politics, forum threads or IRC blabber will be involved. We already wasted a lot of effort on each other by starting the war so early, an obvious mistake in the long run for both of our alliances and it's a shame since I don't think another alliance deserves to win this round.

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Value, and having roids at this stage of the round isnt really all that important.
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I feel sorry for Omen that they probably won't win, on the other hand I am gratefull that an alliance had the balls to take on Asc...
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I blame BA coming back into ND mid rnd.

Good 3 rnds off !!!!

Seems the politics havnt changed.
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Oh, and my opinion is that this round wont be won by omen or Asc, no matter how much politics, forum threads or IRC blabber will be involved.
I see your point rico.. but still I think that a change in politics where we go back to hitting number one could change this.
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I see your point rico.. but still I think that a change in politics where we go back to hitting number one could change this.
In fairness to Omen they decided yesterday that they didn't want this. It's difficult to know what to say to an alliance whose only reason for existence seems not to be winning but to spend as much of the round targetting you as humanly possible. That or you all thought I was just joking. I wasn't.
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I agree. It takes years to grow a tree, yet seconds to chop it down.

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It always amuses me how people put their t10-20-100 finishes in their sig, as if to say, look at how good i am. Sadly, what they dont realise, theyve just got a really cool looking medal for participation.

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It's difficult to know what to say to an alliance whose only reason for existence seems not to be winning but to spend as much of the round targetting you as humanly possible.
We've been targetting Asc from the start because we felt it's the only alliance that could actually stop us from winning. Omen's goal is to win this round, therefore to stop Asc from doing it.
The targetting isn't anything personal against anyone, we just need to do it to win. You should know that better than anyone else, Jonny. =)
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We've been targetting Asc from the start because we felt it's the only alliance that could actually stop us from winning. Omen's goal is to win this round, therefore to stop Asc from doing it.
How can this still be true? CT is miles in front of both asc and omen. With your reasoning, shouldn't ct be the main target for you as well as anyone else who wants to win?
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We've been targetting Asc from the start because we felt it's the only alliance that could actually stop us from winning. Omen's goal is to win this round, therefore to stop Asc from doing it.
The targetting isn't anything personal against anyone, we just need to do it to win. You should know that better than anyone else, Jonny. =)
At some point, in order to win the round, you have to hit who's actually #1. I offered you a way out of a situation that was beginning to verge on the retarded. But at least at the end of the round you can say "man, at least we didn't leave ascendancy telling everyone we were the only decent guys there and then they ended up winning the round. boy would our faces have been red then!"
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The targetting isn't anything personal against anyone, we just need to do it to win. You should know that better than anyone else, Jonny. =)
because U cant actually kill Ascendancy the "we need to do it to win" becomes ridiculous U cant possibly win without targeting CT; nor for that matter can Ascendancy. Asc has just realised there is no point in hitting CT in order to pave the road to victory if they will never be allowed to walk that road; far better for someone else to pave that road and hope we can sneakily run along it without paying the toll while no-one is looking. Asc is facing reality, omen is just plain deluded if they don't think the highway to victory now runs straight through CT's House!

- PS, my map shows there is no bypass on this particular road

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How can this still be true? CT is miles in front of both asc and omen. With your reasoning, shouldn't ct be the main target for you as well as anyone else who wants to win?
Ever seen those action movies, where they never kill the good/bad guy when they get the chance? What happens? It comes back to bite them in the balls.

Asc/Omen are doing what they need to do, theyre trying to kill off their main rival, or put them far enough behind that theyre out of the game. That isnt happening. I think once one of these 2 has established dominance, im sure they will back themselves in to chase down CT, perhaps with the assistance of the ally theyve just beaten (used loosely.)

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Ever seen those action movies, where they never kill the good/bad guy when they get the chance? What happens? It comes back to bite them in the balls.
It already is, Asc could have killed Omen properly the first time round...
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Ever seen those action movies, where they never kill the good/bad guy when they get the chance? What happens? It comes back to bite them in the balls.

Asc/Omen are doing what they need to do, theyre trying to kill off their main rival, or put them far enough behind that theyre out of the game. That isnt happening. I think once one of these 2 has established dominance, im sure they will back themselves in to chase down CT, perhaps with the assistance of the ally theyve just beaten (used loosely.)

Atm CT are wearing a paper crown, will it be made of paper come the eor, only time will tell.

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Dear god. If either alliance comes close to achieving dominance then CT just switches sides and the war continues as the side that was emerging as victorious gets pegged back down. It happened at the start of the round when ct sided with omen, it happened when they napped us and let us do 90% of the work fighting omen, it's happening again right now. How is nobody else seeing this? It's the only play in their book.
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Dear god. If either alliance comes close to achieving dominance then CT just switches sides and the war continues as the side that was emerging as victorious gets pegged back down. It happened at the start of the round when ct sided with omen, it happened when they napped us and let us do 90% of the work fighting omen, it's happening again right now. How is nobody else seeing this? It's the only play in their book.
Everyone see's it, just nothings being done about it. I think some people are underestimating CT and thinking they can claw back any amount of lead CT gets.

I was talking to booji about this before the block happend and what i'd hoped would happen was that Asc+CT would temp nap and kill CT (Bash them as much as possible) and once CT was out of the way, continue with there war. Its not worth completly killing Asc if it stops you from claiming #1.
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what i'd hoped would happen was that Asc+CT would temp nap and kill CT (Bash them as much as possible) and once CT was out of the way, continue with there war.
That would be very interesting
u mean omen and asc I guess
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I dont know if anyone have bothered to planet-scan CT to find out how much they have hidden, but for someone like me who has scanned the universe a dozen times thats a pretty small task.

I did not count small prods that i expect to come out tonight, since we all know everyone gotta prod some ships. I included those who have productions that matches one or both of the following criterias:

a) ridiculously huge
b) a few days worth of income

Between 28 planets, CT have a total of 12,7mill hidden value

If anyone find this information relevant you are welcome to PM me and ask for further information to make sure im not lying on the internet.

Edit: PS: i also noticed a few big stacks!
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Dear god. If either alliance comes close to achieving dominance then CT just switches sides and the war continues as the side that was emerging as victorious gets pegged back down. It happened at the start of the round when ct sided with omen, it happened when they napped us and let us do 90% of the work fighting omen, it's happening again right now. How is nobody else seeing this? It's the only play in their book.
Everyone is witness to it JBG ofc? But whats the problem? Whats wrong with their "only" play. its doing great at the moment.. either lump it or go talk with Wish/Kaifux or whoever is running things over there, newt probably and organise a 3 day smash on Conspiracy...

I'd be up for lol'in if that happend, then again i would be up for lol'in if CT win this round
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Its simple.

You know the only way u have a shot at winning still is to target either ND or Omen. Crying about it on the forums is your choice, and tbh I think either alliance will not care.
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Dear god.
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Almost as dramatic as 'an open message to Planetarion' :-)

Now all you need to do is hope CT will lay off you long enough when u hit ND or Omen, and u got a shot again.
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Almost as dramatic as 'an open message to Planetarion' :-)

Now all you need to do is hope CT will lay off you long enough when u hit ND or Omen, and u got a shot again.
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I see i've missed a few posts or pretty much all. Regardless ;-/
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Re: An open message to Planetarion

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Almost as dramatic as 'an open message to Planetarion' :-)

Now all you need to do is hope CT will lay off you long enough when u hit ND or Omen, and u got a shot again.
I'm just hoping for more of these awesome "ND scared" fleetnames. I mean coming from an alliance that needed the entire rest of the top five to attack with them, and tried to get more, before they managed to summon up the testicular fortitude to actually hit us that's pretty fantastic.


Before I get the retard brigade on my ass here I thought I'd point out I'm not complaining about blocking, it's a perfectly valid move and one which should be applauded for its strategic sense. What I am pointing out is the irony inherent in such fleetnames.
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Now all you need to do is hope CT will lay off you long enough when u hit ND or Omen, and u got a shot again.
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Re: An open message to Planetarion

It's threads like this that makes me miss PA, and then there is all the others that makes me think: Im so f***ing happy im not playing anymore.

Solution to this problem is simply: Everyone attack CT. Nothing else should matter.

Ascendancy might be pricks, and the fact that everyone wants to make it difficult for them to win their third round in a row is a fully understandable and viable argument. But seriously, if the only reason for you playing is to make sure another alliance does not win, play WOW, UNO, Hearts or any useless facebook application instead.
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It's threads like this that makes me miss PA, and then there is all the others that makes me think: Im so f***ing happy im not playing anymore.

Solution to this problem is simply: Everyone attack CT. Nothing else should matter.

Ascendancy might be pricks, and the fact that everyone wants to make it difficult for them to win their third round in a row is a fully understandable and viable argument. But seriously, if the only reason for you playing is to make sure another alliance does not win, play WOW, UNO, Hearts or any useless facebook application instead.
pls retire from forums :/
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pls retire from forums :/
I would rather sit a week and read posts from Kargool, the one line of yours tbh.. :-/
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