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Unread 17 Oct 2008, 23:00   #1
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Bonus

Resource Bonus:
5000 + 4000 * 1187= 4753000 of each resource type

Asteroid Bonus:
3 + 2/20 * 1187= 121 of each asteroid type (363 roids)

Research Point Bonus:
2000 + 20 * 1187= 25,704 Research Points

Construction Unit Bonus:
1000 + 15 * 1187= 18,805 Construction Units

if an alliance waits until the end of the round to get the res bonus, the alliance will get 9mil score. if they upgrade at the start of the round you get 5000 of each res and then have to earn the difference.

is this a fair system. People need to know what the options are before they waste their credits. All it is doing is penalising the players that don’t study the new features and wording of the manual.
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Re: Bonus

well, there goes the flux for those that were counting on the 'bonus'
Now that the topic is on the table, it seems pretty unfair and I agree with [DDK]gm. Unless reverse phycology is on the play, "Pay to win!!!!" So now that the secret is out, (which was not a secret to begin with, but I refer it as a secret for those that don't even check the formula before playing) please make the game fair for those that pay.
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So now that the secret is out
On precisely what level is basic arithmetic considered a secret?
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Unread 17 Oct 2008, 23:32   #4
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On precisely what level is basic arithmetic considered a secret?


I was talking for many who don't check any of the formulas...
there is always bugs that need fixing and sometimes they dont' fix it before the game starts and they become 'cheating tools' for those who figureout know how to use it without getting cought
Not me ofc
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Re: Bonus

9 382 020 score, shared between 60 planets equals 156 367 score per planet. Not exactly earth shattering. Come back when you have a point to make.
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Re: Bonus

9.3mill score not earth shattering? last time i checked the difference between first place and second is 1 point
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9 382 020 score, shared between 60 planets equals 156 367 score per planet. Not exactly earth shattering. Come back when you have a point to make.
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2		NewDawn	       59008	74	3,588,808	215,328,492
3		VisioN	           68496    60	    3,578,671	   214,720,314
4		Conspiracy	60067	 75	  3,565,135	 213,908,107
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Unread 18 Oct 2008, 00:26   #8
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2		NewDawn	       59008	74	3,588,808	215,328,492
3		VisioN	           68496    60	    3,578,671	   214,720,314
4		Conspiracy	60067	 75	  3,565,135	 213,908,107
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1	up 1	Denial	64138	74	4,677,066	280,624,001
2	down 1	Conspiracy	66744	75	4,659,094	279,545,679
3		Ascendancy	72988	71	4,608,522	276,511,358
4		NewDawn	73941	75	4,523,737	271,424,249
9.3m extra woulda given NewDawn the win in R27!

Only, it wouldn't have happened, because Denial would have also gained an extra 9m, so go figure.
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Re: Bonus

you could use the denial ct finnish of r27 as an example, pay to win may of changed the outcome
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Re: Bonus

I'm not getting it. Obviously upgrading is going to be a big advantage. I hardly think denial would have beaten CT in r27 if all their planets had been unpaid.
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you could use the denial ct finnish of r27 as an example, pay to win may of changed the outcome
Didn't I just do that?
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Re: Bonus

its ok kenny jonny cant handle being beaten to the line so has to re-word it to make himself feel like he has 1 up'd us all.
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What on earth are you talking about?
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Yeah because using alliance rankings from rounds in which everyone got upgraded at tick 0 to prove a point about upgrading at round end in a totally different upgrade system makes complete sense to me!
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Yeah because using alliance rankings from rounds in which everyone got upgraded at tick 0 to prove a point about upgrading at round end in a totally different upgrade system makes complete sense to me!
I was arguing that 9.3 mil difference would have an impact on end scores, but conceded that when applied to an actual scenario then all competing alliances would have been given the same end of round boost, thus negating the 'swing factor' of the outcome.
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Re: Bonus

[DDK]gm has a very valid point. It will come down to "Pay to Win" No matter how much you played through the round, the ally with more money might just win ;/
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[DDK]gm has a very valid point. It will come down to "Pay to Win" No matter how much you played through the round, the ally with more money might just win ;/
taking into consideration how last round went, i don't see the #2 ally taking the win by mass upgrading at the last minute, especially if the leading tag follow the same tactic
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Re: Bonus

hmmm, you get both a research or construction bonus and a resources or asteroids bonus right?

if so why would you leave it to the end as unless you can delink when you get them both then you would negate the research or construction bonus by using it later (except for the small amount of score for construction) as both rely on having time to be worthwhile.
so can the bonuses be gained at different times?
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[DDK]gm has a very valid point. It will come down to "Pay to Win" No matter how much you played through the round, the ally with more money might just win ;/
What? Are you ****ing retarded?
1) You can only upgrade once.
2) Upgrading will be no more expensive than it was last round.
3) You completely missed the point of this topic.
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Re: Bonus

While its easy to say "its a major bonus" based on the way you have presented it I'm not sure its anywhere near as big as you have made it seem.

After all the extra roids, resources, research and construction you get early on can give you boost up and used well that could be enough to stay ahead.

Mind you the tick multiplier is imho a little high, surely its better to encourage early upgrade if people are going to upgrade than late upgrade so reducing the tick multiplier might have been better
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Re: Bonus

it would be better if after say tick 500 that the bonus stopped growing
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Re: Bonus

****ed if i'm going to work out the maths but if its really worth waiting till the end to upgrade thats obviously wrong.

That said Planetarion still seems "better value" than most online games still going at this point.
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Re: Bonus

I see your points and the multiplier may be slightly high for res and cons. However, as has been said, there might be times, especially on an individual basis, where a planet gets more bonus during the round.
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Re: Bonus

Wouldn't the accumulated bonus if upgraded at the start be far higher than the small bonus people are suggesting from the end of the round ?

If an alliance got into the position where they hadnt upgraded and would win if they all did so i think this would be a fair enough tactic as they lost out on the early resorce boostes which are generally a hell of a lot more usful.
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