[Declined] Attacking + Defending same planet

[LordBrem]

I've had a couple instances this round where the same planet sends both an attack fleet and a def fleet (stuff he expects his friend who is also attacking to sub, and therefore make them invincible).

It would seem that you could make it so that you can not attack and defend the same planet at the same time.

[mist]

or the way that sub works should be modified, so that there's no gain from doing it...

this would seem a better solution, although possibly more difficult to impliment

-mist

[Forest]

Thats the whole fun with zik ffs.

If the zik ships would be less powerful, then less ppl would be zik.

If u make subbing defence show no gain, then u effectively make them a poor cath

[Stifler]

also ziks have been defending with galls and attacking with mauranders and there is no way to protect against that :|

[Cochese]

That's what happens when you let clueless people make the stats.

Once more, subversion is the stupidest feature in PA ever.

[Gate]

Ahh, I loved doing that so much last round; attacking xans with clipper/cr and defending them with cutter

That said, it's very resource intensive, requiring 2 fleet slots and so on, so it should be kept IMO. Just a little bit of meddling with the stats, perhaps making struct bashers not work when subverted or somt? That said, I found it a wonderful retaliation tool last round!

[Kal]

if subverted ships could die it would be better, maybe we will try that again.

[Forest]

Or it could make it way too powerful

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Forest

Or it could make it way too powerful

obviosuly ziks would need much lower damage under such a scheme

[Agerus]

don't nerf Zik too much, one main problem is their Co roiding fleet, imo.

subbin in general is ok.

[Linkie]

Or give zik their old stealing back or just delete the whole race. Subversion is 'fun', but not that valuable to the game to be honest.

[jerome]

http://parser.visionhq.org/index.php...a97e00e08100ee

heh

defending broads there were from my galmate, my pirates then subbed them and wiped out remaning non-frozen/subbed anti-bs frig ships so free roids:)

funfunfun, but shame it cant be really equalized heh

[LordBrem]

The problem is not subbing, but this loophole. It is one thing to send def ships meaning for them to be subbed. But when you send TWO fleets at the same eta to the same planet, there is a problem.

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by LordBrem

The problem is not subbing, but this loophole. It is one thing to send def ships meaning for them to be subbed. But when you send TWO fleets at the same eta to the same planet, there is a problem.

And making it so you paired up with someone and sent def vs one another would achieve what precisely?

[LordBrem]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

And making it so you paired up with someone and sent def vs one another would achieve what precisely?

It would prevent the person being subbed from also sending pods as a separate fleet.

So if you want to be lame, at least you don't get roids for it.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by LordBrem

It would prevent the person being subbed from also sending pods as a separate fleet.

So if you want to be lame, at least you don't get roids for it.

You can't cap with subbed pods.

[LordBrem]

Originally Posted by Banned

You can't cap with subbed pods.

That's why they send the Pods separately in an ATTACK fleet.

[x-dANGEr]

PLz. do sth. to the subverting command, it is like you have 2abilities, the abilty to freeze enemy ships, then plant them with explosions.

[Kal]

if we ignore the flaws with subversion and the current stats, shoudl people be able to attack and defend the same target

[LordBrem]

Originally Posted by Kal

if we ignore the flaws with subversion and the current stats, shoudl people be able to attack and defend the same target

That's the problem I was talking about. It is counter-intuitive to be attacking AND defending the same target, especially on the same eta. It is used because of subbing, but subbing is not the problem - this is.

[Forest]

Attacking and defending same target is a valid tactic, and is part of what makes zik fun. People will only 'cross-defend' each others targets so same end, so it should stay.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Forest

Attacking and defending same target is a valid tactic, and is part of what makes zik fun. People will only 'cross-defend' each others targets so same end, so it should stay.

i agree there is little point stopping people attacking and defending the same target, what is needed is a complete combat overhaul, that will unfortunatly not be possible for next round, so we are looking at some rather innovative stats atm. We will still look into allowing subverted ships to die though.