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13 Dec 2003, 14:38
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Clerk
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Help Me Define "White"
As in race, not paint or some sort of physics bollocks.
When you use the term "white person", how wide does that apply? Are Turks white? Greeks? Spaniards? Brazilians?
Is Mariah Carey white? Yamila Diaz? Adriana Lima? Alessandra Ambrosio?
I demand to know.
p.s. Don't come here with that "it's all a social construct" crap, I know. Just answer the damn question.
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13 Dec 2003, 14:42
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Not Dark or Handsome
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Caucasian.
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13 Dec 2003, 14:42
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Caucasian, imo.
White/black is a terrible oversimplification.
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13 Dec 2003, 14:53
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
OK, what the hell is a caucasian then? Is a Turk caucasian? The same questions still apply even if you change the original term.
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13 Dec 2003, 15:02
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
It's like trying to identify a heap.
Is one pinecone a heap?
Two?
Twenty?
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13 Dec 2003, 15:08
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Yeah, exactly. I'm not asking for an objective universally true answer. I'm asking for what you think.
(Similarly, imagine a thread 'What makes a good friend'. I'm not asking for a link to an encyclopaedia which will tell me the answer. I'm asking for what makes a good friend to you).
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13 Dec 2003, 15:09
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
It depends upon the individual; some features have been more recognised as 'latin' or 'oriental' or 'white' or whatever.
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13 Dec 2003, 15:12
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Made of Twigs
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Is there a difference between Caucasian and hispanic?
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13 Dec 2003, 15:24
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stew
Is there a difference between Caucasian and hispanic?
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They are overlapping terms. A hispanic can be a caucasian, but isn't guaranteed to be. You can get mestizo Hispanics who might not be termed white (sorry, caucasian).
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13 Dec 2003, 15:44
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Bitch
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
It's like trying to identify a heap.
Is one pinecone a heap?
Two?
Twenty?
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Someone's been reading Stephen Fry again
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rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
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13 Dec 2003, 15:57
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle29uk
Someone's been reading Stephen Fry again
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That book really annoys me, because it all would have worked PERFECTLY if he hadn't used HIS OWN NEWSPAPER. Silly idiot.
[edit]
And I've been recently taught to play Backgammon.
3 games played, 3 games won.
Huzzah!
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13 Dec 2003, 16:00
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Bitch
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
And I've been recently taught to play Backgammon.
3 games played, 3 games won.
Huzzah!
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I used to play backgammon at work (many years ago!). 20 pfennigs a game (loser pays) and we got seriously good at it \o/
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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13 Dec 2003, 16:01
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Cute Kitten
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Clearly I am a very good backgammon teacher.
I'm also not a very good player.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:02
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle29uk
I used to play backgammon at work (many years ago!). 20 pfennigs a game (loser pays) and we got seriously good at it \o/
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When did you work in Austria?
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13 Dec 2003, 16:05
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Don't hi-jack my racist thread with your middle-class pursuits.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:07
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Bitch
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
When did you work in Austria?
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Germany!
When I was 17
I have Austrian family though, from Spittal An Der Drau.
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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13 Dec 2003, 16:10
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle29uk
Germany!
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I'd prefer Salzberg to Hamburg any day my lady.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:16
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Prince of Amber
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
I don't use the phrase "white person" to describe someone, so your question is difficult to answer.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:19
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan
I don't use the phrase "white person" to describe someone, so your question is difficult to answer.
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OK, but if someone uses the expression to you what range comes into your mind? I know that depends on context, in Nigera it'd mean something very different to in Northern Europe or the US.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:20
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Bitch
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Help Me Define "White"
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Honky
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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13 Dec 2003, 16:24
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Prince of Amber
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
OK, but if someone uses the expression to you what range comes into your mind? I know that depends on context, in Nigera it'd mean something very different to in Northern Europe or the US.
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If someone used the phrase here in Alabama, I would assume they meant mostly white, and not Hispanic, African, Asian or from the Middle East.
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13 Dec 2003, 16:49
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Mathamagician
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
[racist]
white means you aint a niggah (or a gook etc)
[/racist]
look at the person in question, white people have light skin (ofc) and none of the african/asian predominant features (slanted eyes, flat nose etc).
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13 Dec 2003, 17:06
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
I don't use the term myself, but when i hear it, i think of arians. Or "the higher" race or whatever. The nazi stuff.
The bad stuff
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13 Dec 2003, 17:53
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so f*cking zen
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Definition
white (PEOPLE)
adjective, noun [C]
(of) a person who has skin that is pale in colour:
The Master race
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13 Dec 2003, 17:56
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Clerk
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Some Japanese people have paler skin than some caucasians. Does that make them honorary whites?
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13 Dec 2003, 18:24
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
linguistic c
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13 Dec 2003, 19:13
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J to the C to the A G E
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
japanese and chinese people have yellow skin
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13 Dec 2003, 19:16
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
don't call me white!
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13 Dec 2003, 19:31
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
arians from the nordic regions.
You are all colored scum!
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13 Dec 2003, 19:31
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
dante dante dante
i personally go by my ad hoc definition of whether it is possible to breed a blue eyed person from said gene pool
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13 Dec 2003, 19:48
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Prince of Amber
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nusselt
dante dante dante
i personally go by my ad hoc definition of whether it is possible to breed a blue eyed person from said gene pool
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I have blue eyes, and I am mostly white. However, I have African and Native American ancestors. The only visible indicator of my African and Native American ancestors is that I tan easily.
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13 Dec 2003, 19:51
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
christ does it matter.
the only use is to describe someone. In which case i just normally use black, white, asian, chinese if their skin colour looks that way.
[edit] i would call everyone in europe, or people with soley euro ancestors white. i even call brizillians white. i'd go for south american or hispanic if i can be arsed. i dont really think about it too much. the only people i see get really annoyed is idiots who claim any word with black in it is racist. besides i only use such terms when someone ask me 'what does he look like'.
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13 Dec 2003, 19:58
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
They have no rhythm and no style and no soul and they cant dance! One time I was in the club and I saw this white boy try to dance and I was all like "haha why are you dancing white boy, dont you know white boys cant dance!?". Silly whitey.
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13 Dec 2003, 19:59
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share the <3
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan
I have blue eyes, and I am mostly white. However, I have African and Native American ancestors. The only visible indicator of my African and Native American ancestors is that I tan easily.
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look its my definition you nearly all honky
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13 Dec 2003, 20:06
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Black people commit more crimes than whites so anytime you see someone not commiting a crime they are probably white
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13 Dec 2003, 20:11
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share the <3
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nodrog
Black people commit more crimes than whites so anytime you see someone not commiting a crime they are probably white
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the gene for gingerness is slowly being eradicated from the human race
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13 Dec 2003, 20:21
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
technically there are only three races I think. Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. I had quite a long description of this somewhere, it involves teeth, fat distribution and a bunch of other sciency things. Apparently mongoloids have less cupped teeth than Negroids and Caucasoids because our diets were alot more meaty for alot longer.
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I think it's time we blow this scene, get everybody and the stuff together..........
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13 Dec 2003, 20:22
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nodrog
Black people commit more crimes than whites so anytime you see someone not commiting a crime they are probably white
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however most corporate fraud and so on is commited by whites. I think we need to divide it down a bit.
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13 Dec 2003, 20:50
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radical Edward
however most corporate fraud and so on is commited by whites. I think we need to divide it down a bit.
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You don't SEE those though.
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13 Dec 2003, 21:26
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Mathamagician
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nusselt
the gene for gingerness is slowly being eradicated from the human race
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There is no gene for gingerness, its a form of mutation, like down syndrome. It is considered a genetic defect and is no way genetically or ancestrially (ie from your ansestors) controlled. Thus the people should be eradicated as they show up, but can never be removed intirely.
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13 Dec 2003, 21:33
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by vampire_lestat
There is no gene for gingerness, its a form of mutation, like down syndrome. It is considered a genetic defect and is no way genetically or ancestrially (ie from your ansestors) controlled. Thus the people should be eradicated as they show up, but can never be removed intirely.
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Yeees...
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13 Dec 2003, 21:44
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Cute Kitten
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Downs isnt a mutation though. Its a mistake where the genes dont separate properly. Technically, if 2 people with downs had a baby the baby wouldnt neccesarily have downs.
Not that gingerness is a mutation either. Its just a recessive gene. If two ginger haired people had a baby it would be very very very likely to be ginger (unless they both had an even more recessive hair colour in there, if there is one...)
But enough biology lesson. I'm really hoping none of that really needed to be told.
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14 Dec 2003, 17:30
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Anyone who can pass for white.
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14 Dec 2003, 17:52
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Is Michael Jackson white?
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14 Dec 2003, 18:19
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Skelator can't pass for white, everyone knows he used to be black.
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14 Dec 2003, 20:35
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Registered User
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
As in race, not paint or some sort of physics bollocks.
When you use the term "white person", how wide does that apply? Are Turks white? Greeks? Spaniards? Brazilians?
Is Mariah Carey white? Yamila Diaz? Adriana Lima? Alessandra Ambrosio?
I demand to know.
p.s. Don't come here with that "it's all a social construct" crap, I know. Just answer the damn question.
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Why go out at all lengths to define something that doesn't really matter?
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14 Dec 2003, 20:40
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Banned
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
non-terrorist.
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14 Dec 2003, 20:42
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
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Originally Posted by Work_Child
non-terrorist.
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I bet that is what the Montana Milita thinks (US Domestic Terror group) and Mr. Unibomber.
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14 Dec 2003, 21:09
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Blatantly overcooked
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
this discussion is pretty useless.
If it looks white than call it white. pronto.
Whats the point on getting an absolute truth out of this?
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15 Dec 2003, 13:39
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Lucky
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Re: Help Me Define "White"
in summer white is disguised as red.
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