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Unread 28 Jun 2006, 00:47   #1
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Gambling

I've become like many others, I gamble. And I only started last week.


Every night (when I'm at work), I go to the casino across my workplace and I make myself a neat 20-30 profit from playing Roulette.

I wouldn't say I'm addicted because I do know when to stop compared to my colleague who blows everything that he's got.


Do you guys reckon I can still be an addict in the future?
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if you gamble then why don't you drink.

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Re: Gambling

It'll intoxicate me.

I hate taking things that intoxicates me i.e., not be myself. So that also means weed.
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Re: Gambling

You'll be fine, you are smarter than all the fools who get addicted; I mean you can quit at any time right? It's such a small amount of money and you just keep winning! Never mind the fact that Roulette is a fixed game with a 4-6% loss average (for every $100 you get $96-$94 back), it's just for fun right?

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Re: Gambling

i purchase lottery tickets everyweek in the hope that a win will give me enough coupons to illeviate the present mindless drudgery of my physical being, i buy a little hope eachweek just to have it dashed :sob:

blasto, gambling for profit is like drinking your own piss to quench a thirst. If you want to do it, do it because you enjoy it, like a night out, not as an alternative to bank savings.
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Unread 28 Jun 2006, 07:48   #6
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I'd advise you to stop. Especially becuase you are winning. It's must easier to become addicted if you're doing well (at first).
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Re: Gambling

As you can't fool the gods of statitistics too long, you'll start losing soon.. and then you'll try to win back your losses, because you know you're capable of it, since it went sooo well in the start.

Next thing, you're lying dead in Somalia and we'll all be like sad and mourning
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Re: Gambling

See here's the thing: I nearly lost once before even though it wasn't my money (my boss was pissed and gave me some money to gamble on *shrug*).

I know that I start off well and when I start losing, I stop.

I never drop to whatever I put in. Like yesterday, I put in £50, I walked out with £70. I was making £85 and then I started losing. I knew that I'd be better off with £70 than say £35 (£15 loss to my original bet). Just like the example I gave earlier about a colleague of mine. He blew £200 (he sold a phone) yesterday and he didn't know when to stop. We had to physically stop him and take him out of the place because he seriously didn't know when to stop.

I also make small bets. That way it's not as risky and I don't lose a lot of money (if my luck turned bad all of the sudden).


I can see the point you guys are making and I really appreciate your advice(s). Really, thank you. I'm sure I'll stop and find something else.




P.S. The money that I gamble on tends to be from the money I make from work I do on the side. Not my actual Phones 4u earnings. This can be anything from £10 - £100 a day.

Also it helped me pay off some "I owe you's" here & there.
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Is the Hard Rock cafe casino by the way?
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Re: Gambling

No.

Gala Casino.... just under the St Giles Hotel.


(Is Hard Rock cafe casino is at Tottenham Ct Rd?)
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Re: Gambling

I'm extremely boring, not doing alcohol, drugs or caffeine. I don't gamble, but I just laid 6 bets on PB which sort of undermines my words
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Re: Gambling

if you're going to gamble, don't go with roulette for gods sake
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Re: Gambling

Well, roulette is excellent, in that no matter how bad you are it you'll loose the same percentage..

.. whereas playing poker drunk can be really, really expensive.
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Well, roulette is excellent, in that no matter how bad you are it you'll loose the same percentage..

.. whereas playing poker drunk can be really, really expensive.
Sorry, but eh?

I realise that statistically speaking the house will return 96% of the total stake on average, but that doesn't mean your guaranteed that 96% back.
You can put losing bet on after losing bet without ever winning one spin.

Just ask Dante.
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I just realised that dante is like one of those drugged up, poorly dressed, unshowered, drunk as hell guys who goes into a casino and gambles away more money then he can afford to lose.



I spend most of my time in casinos laughing at those guys

While playing poker, obviously I don't just go there to laugh at dante-like people otherwise I'd turn up to more gd meets!
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I've only been to one casino and that was in the Czech Republic.

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Where do you normally gamble away more than you can afford to lose then dear? I'm slightly confused by how you know the names of casinos and where they are in london but have never been. Do they bar you from entering?
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See here's the thing: I can beat the odds. Statistics mean nothing to me. I've not lost yet and that means i'm not going to lose. EVER!


i paraphrased your post dude
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Where do you normally gamble away more than you can afford to lose then dear? I'm slightly confused by how you know the names of casinos and where they are in london but have never been. Do they bar you from entering? :(


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I'm slightly confused by how you know the names of casinos
I've walked down many of the streets in London many times.

And why would I go to a casino when I can lose thousands of pounds from the comfort of my own home?
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Re: Gambling

I find roulette intensely boring. The only reason I can imagine people play it is the thrill the get when their number/row/winning condition hits. I can only imagine this is comparable to the thrill obtained when you hit a big hand on the flop in Hold'em and some poor victim bets into you. But at least with poker there is an element of strategy and a smattering of social interaction...

Also, the percentage of people who gamble and go on to develop an addiction is very small. I wouldn't worry unless you ever start acting like your friend.
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Also, the percentage of people who gamble and go on to develop an addiction is very small. I wouldn't worry unless you ever start acting like your friend.


How small?
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You'll have to excuse me, I was thinking of ireland where the casinos don't advertise. You can walk past most of them on the street and never realise you just did.

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They have free booze!




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Also, the percentage of people who gamble and go on to develop an addiction is very small. I wouldn't worry unless you ever start acting like your friend.
Well it depends what you mean. If you count people who once played Blackjack when they were on holiday or who buy a lottery ticket every week then yeah. If you're talking about people who regularly play roulette in casinos then I suspect the proportion of people who display signs of addiction is relatively high.
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You'll have to excuse me, I was thinking of ireland where the casinos don't advertise.
Ah, k. There are restrictions on advertising, but you're allowed to have largish signs up outside, etc.
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I never got free booze when i've been to the casino :(

I'm obviously not a high roller.

Also i go to play poker so ...
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I don't like to gamble when drinking or otherwise intoxicated. I have little to no confidence in my gambling "skills" but I don't believe they'll get better if I'm drunk.
You mean like gambling skills in the form of not setting your money on fire accidentally? Being drunk just might mean you lose your money faster at roulette because you bet bigger.
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Do you guys reckon I can still be an addict in the future?
Fine in moderation but harmful in excess, as long as you know when to call it quits then why not.
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Whether or not you become addicted or not, I do not understand why you would play roulette. Its a fixed odds game where the odds are always on the side of the house, you seem to be doing well so far but eventually you'll get caught, move on to a different form of gambling while you can.

Although I'm a fine one to talk, I regularly piss away my earnings on fruit machines, and they're even worse odds than roulette.
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Well yes and no. There's a fairly large difference between someone going into a game of roulette and betting their entire stake on one number and someone going in and betting relatively small amounts on Red or Black say.

(And I actually prefer to play blackjack these days where "skill" is marginally more relevant)
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Someone please explain to me how roulette is a fixed odds game where the odds are always on the side of the house?


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Well yes and no. There's a fairly large difference between someone going into a game of roulette and betting their entire stake on one number and someone going in and betting relatively small amounts on Red or Black say.

(And I actually prefer to play blackjack these days where "skill" is marginally more relevant)
That's what I always do.

Didn't think you'd need skill to be good at blackjack though...
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Someone please explain to me how roulette is a fixed odds game where the odds are always on the side of the house?



That's what I always do.

Didn't think you'd need skill to be good at blackjack though...
if you bet on red, you have approximately a 48.5% chance.

and there is some level of skill in blackjack - mostly in reading the dealer and gauging probabilities on the fly - but with roulette you are invariably going to lose over time.
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0.

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0.

It's not red or black.
To expand on that a little (it's quite obvious once you think about it). As you can't bet on the 0 over time the house will always win.

A perfect game has a win ratio of 1:1 or over. The extra number on the wheel gives the house an advantage that over time will take your money away.

Blackjack is much the same, but for more complicated reasons. Indeed all Casino games statistically favour the house (otherwise they wouldn't be IN the Casino). Over time you can only lose money in a casino.

This is why Card Counters playing Blackjack are usualy forcibly evicted from the premises. Over time using this strategy you can improve your odds to around 1-2% profitability. The Casino's do not like this - this is why the pit boss and area managers' are all trained to count cards, they want to spot these people before they start winning. I've worked in a Casino, trust me, they are not friendly places.

Don't gamble there, even with small amounts. Gambling is addictive; better people than you have had their lives ruined by Casinos.
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I didn't go to the casino today despite being at work and finishing a bit early.


I'm not that bad.


I might go this forthcoming Friday evening though... Me and the lads will be watching the Quarter-finals of the World Cup.
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Didn't think you'd need skill to be good at blackjack though...
It's still a game in the houses favour, but it requires a players input more often. For instance, when do you take insurance? When do you double down? When do you split? When do you hit? The "strategy" isn't very complicated but there's more meaningful decisions to be made than in roulette.

There's also things like card counting but as stated there are problems with that (and I think it's pretty much impossible to do online due to the amount of decks used, and the number of shuffles). Overall though you can't really be "good" at any of these games just lucky and sensible (by not playing very often).
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Most Casino's these days cut the deck and shuffle midway through in Blackjack, it makes card counting almost impossible.

Essentially the idea is to wait until the deck is 'hot' by noting down the values of the cards already dealt. By doing so the counter will know whether the deck is loaded with face cards/aces, thereby improving their odds.

Your average joe playing blackjack will probably lose 10% or more over time. You can improve your odds either by learning the game, or taking in a strategy table if the house allows them. By using one you'll be able to play just as well as the most experienced Blackjack players' - but you'll still be losing between 3-5%
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i lost about £20 at poker last night
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I don't know why I feel a bit bad because I blew £60 today... even though it's not my money and I was allowed to do what I want to do with it.
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Well, on this general topic it looks like state intervention will save you in any case : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5135826.stm
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The SNP are a joke, hopefully it wont go anywhere.

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Online gambling is forecast to grow by 22% this year and with it fears over the number of players with serious debt. The average online gambling debt in the country is £25,000.
I've no idea what theyre using to calculate this figure but seriously, what?


edit2: The attempt to construe gambling addiction as an 'illness' is also silly, and the doctors who supposedly spoke about that at the BMA conference should really hang their heads in shame.

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edit2: The attempt to construe gambling addiction as an 'illness' is also silly, and the doctors who supposedly spoke about that at the BMA conference should really hang their heads in shame.
It's similar to people now claiming that obesity is an "illness" and that fat people should receive medication that inhibits their food cravings. It's ridiculous.

If they really have that big a problem with gambling then let's throw them all in a big locked room, give them all 100 matches and a pack of cards and whoever wins all the matches gets to leave the room.

I might ring Channel 4 with that idea right now... "Gamblers Den" we'll call it!
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edit: I've no idea what theyre using to calculate this figure but seriously, what?
Yeah, I lolled at that too. On every level it's an idiotic statement for them to have made. Perhaps it's an average of the people who have reported they have gambling debts/problems (when seeking bankruptcy/credit advice) in which case the average would be rather high.

Having said that, I'm not entirely sure I know what they mean by "a gambling debt" in this context - surely money taken out on a credit card to gamble with isn't a gambling debt per se? I can't see William Hill or Ladbrokes lending people money directly for a range of reasons. Although I guess some places would, especially now (I presume?) these debts are enforceable.
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Well, yeah. I think that's a more general problem with the way language is used regarding mental health issues. Terms like illness or disease (or worse, disability) have different moral & practical connotations and don't really fit here at all.
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It's similar to people now claiming that obesity is an "illness" and that fat people should receive medication that inhibits their food cravings. It's ridiculous.
I'm not sure if youre serious, but I doubt it. If fatties have a willpower problem and cant stop eating, then I dont really see the problem with them taking medication that supresses their appetite, other than that its unlikely to be a longterm solution. It makes sense; if you want to eat less but you have an appetite that makes you want to keep eating, then taking something to minimise your cravings is a fairly obvious thing to do (although unless you also work on willpower-building exercises and make lifestyle changes, youre likely to relapse into eating lots when you stop taking them). Similarly if there were a drug that eliminated people's desire to play roulette without having any side-effects (eg wiping making them highly risk-averseness dull), then it could be a good idea for gamblers who wanted to stop to take it (while also trying to build willpower at the same time etc).

But none of this means that addiction/obesity is an 'illness' - it just means that taking drugs to help change your behavior/mental state can be a useful thing to do. If I had a long-term girlfriend and she got killed a car-crash, then I'd probably feel really devastated for a few months afterwards. And its possible that in the future there could be drugs that would minimise my bad feelings without making me die on the inside, and if so, I may consider taking them. But this wouldnt mean that "being sad" was an illness - it would just be a mental state that I'd want to change via drugs. And it's silly to define an 'illness' as being "any mental state that a person wants to change", even if you modify this with some highly culture-subjective disclaimer about the 'impairment of normal function', with 'normal' being defined by reference to some collection of social norms. For instance, I think that religion has an extremely bad effect on many of its practioners lives, and there is some evidence to suggest that certain people may be more prone to fundamnetalism than others, but I doubt that 'religious belief' would ever be classed as a mental illness. And the reasons for this are entirely political, not scientific. Another example is paedophilia being classed as a 'disorder' by the DSM while homosexuality isnt (although it used to be). There are absolutely no scientific principles at work here, its entirely politics - namely the attempt to construe a socially undesirable behavior as being an 'illness'. Even if it were shown that paedophilia and homosexuality had the exact same cause (eg genetics), were widely prevalent in animals, and so in, this would not change the classification - only one would be classed as a 'disorder'. And this can only mean that the real criteria for 'mental disorder' here is essenetially 'we dont like paedophiles, but gays are ok!'.

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It's similar to people now claiming that obesity is an "illness" and that fat people should receive medication that inhibits their food cravings. It's ridiculous.
No, it's bloody not.

I'm like that myself. If I start eating something, I'm nearly completely unable to stop regardless of how determined I am. I get around this by simple not buying food beyond the two next meals ever, and never having snacks around (which is kinda easy, since I bloody hell eat'em up right away anyways). Now, obviously, fat and lazy people obviously only have themselves to blame, but some people really are in shitty situations. If I didn't have complete control over what I eat through what I buy I'd probably be fat as hell still.

Just because the conditions for these faults to have any actual effect weren't present before doesn't make them any less body malfunctions now.

What makes matter worse is how 'skinny' people never appreciate how bloody hard it is to lose weight when you're overweight.. because they're using themselves as measurement. Losing weight when you're skinny'ish is way easier. It took way more effort for me to go from 95kg to 92kg, than from 92kg to 73kg, as at the start, I gained back weight the moment I ate pretty much anything.
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If fatties have a willpower problem and cant stop eating, then I dont really see the problem with them taking medication that supresses their appetite,
Is this trolling? Your apetite isn't part of what you have wilfull control over, and not eating when you're hungry is bloody hard. Stop letting fat, lazy who just can't be arsed even trying to move cloud your judgement.
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But none of this means that addiction/obesity is an 'illness' - it just means that taking drugs to help change your behavior/mental state can be a useful thing to do.
If you discount the possibiliy that some people have abnormal apetites, and attribute being fat to 'lack of willpower' then you're right. I find that premise pretty silly though.

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There are absolutely no scientific principles at work here, its entirely politics - namely the attempt to construe a socially undesirable behavior as being an 'illness'. Even if it were shown that paedophilia and homosexuality had the exact same cause (eg genetics), were widely prevalent in animals, and so in, this would not change the classification - only one would be classed as a 'disorder'. And this can only mean that the real criteria for 'mental disorder' here is essenetially 'we dont like paedophiles, but gays are ok!'.
I agree, there should be a netrual terminology for this.

But I'd say the problem is in trying to classify over a word with political meaing rather than the actual classification. Both 'illness' and 'disorder' implies there is something wrong, and not merely something different.. and in that context, the classification makes sense.
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Actually, it's not.
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