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Unread 24 Apr 2007, 19:59   #1
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[Football] Article on the Big Four and English Football

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Cracking read, and he makes a good point.

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The large white type caught the eye on the newsstand in precisely the manner intended. Positioned directly underneath the stately Times masthead, it read “The dream final”, advertising TheGame’s comprehensive coverage of the FA Cup semi-finals that ended with the progress of Manchester United and Chelsea to Wembley.

A dream final for who exactly? For fans of the two clubs? Definitely. For the FA? Of course. For ticket touts? Certainly. And for media executives with their famously hazy grasp of how real supporters think? Yes, probably them, too. But for the rest of us, forget it. The “dream final” is a nightmare.

And nothing perpetuates the cycle more than the Champions League. Clubs playing in it are rewarded lavishly each time they step on the field. With every passing year, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal gain more income, enabling them to draw farther away from the pack. United’s 8-3 aggregate thrashing of AS Roma that earned their place in the last four was a black night for English football. Why? Because a spectacular performance live on terrestrial television during a school holiday week will have garnered tens of thousands more impressionable young converts to the Old Trafford myth machine.
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Re: [Football] Article on the Big Four and English Football

I agree absolutely. I'm just not sure what to do about it. Perhaps every team in the Premiership should receive an equal portion of the TV rights (or at least a smaller increase per place). Certainly the Premiership should be subsidising the Championship to make them more competitive when they get promoted.

A table of monies paid in the Premiership

Is the above a fair way of doing things? Should 30% of the TV money be passed onto the Football League? Thoughts on that itself would be interesting.

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All Premiership clubs receive an equal share of 50 per cent of the current £1.1 billion domestic TV deal, the bulk of which is provided by a £1.024bn exclusive live rights deal with Sky which expires in the summer. A further 25 per cent is divided up according to where teams finish in the league and the final quarter depends on how many times a club appear on TV. Money from the sale of overseas rights is split up equally.

With the league's new rights package set to earn clubs a 60 per cent rise in TV revenue from next season, some chairmen believe changes must be made now to avoid a disastrous divide between the big clubs and the rest.

Although the league argue that the new deal will lead to the smallest differential yet between top and bottom, Scudamore has forecast that the winners of next year's title will net £50m, while the bottom club will receive £30m.According to figures for 2005-06, the difference between 20th-placed Sunderland and champions Chelsea was £13.6m.
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Re: [Football] Article on the Big Four and English Football

Not just a salary cap, but a limit on what clubs can spend on transfer fees, wages, agents fees, bonuses, signing on fees and give them a budget to work with.

Get ticket prices reduced, nationwide. This can be achieved by a simple boycott from football grounds. The result of reduced prices is that suddenly, families can go and afford to watch football matches. This means kids aren't brought up on the hype. The problem is that the last 20 years have been among the worst for football. For a large part of 90s football still carried a hooligan image hangover from Hillsbrough, but at the same time got more expensive and became more available on TV. A whole generation of fans to clubs that aren't massive has potentially been lost.

Don't subscribe to sky.
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Like it or not (and I do not) football is a business. For any of these limits to be meaningful, they have to be Europe-wide. If you cap English league wages at say, £30,000 a week then it is going to make attracting the very best players more difficult when they can play in Spain and earn £150,000 a week.

this goes for all economic restrictions placed on football clubs.

the ability to bring in foreign players (both financially and socially) has vastly increased over the years and with it has brought a higher calibre of player. Before (say) the Premier League all teams has mostly English players so there was only a limited pool of players to pick from. Whilst some players would naturally desire a move to the big clubs, others would remain loyal to their local team (or the one they began their career with etc)

Add to this the less professional training methods and you get a more even* balance between teams. this may make for a less predictable season but the price is a lower level of football.

When you can choose 11 top players from (literally) around the world as opposed to being limited to 1 or 2 top Enlish players and a bunch of mediocrities then you are naturally going to find that you have a greater concentration of world-class players in a smaller number of clubs.

I can't really see how financial regulation is going to reverse this virtual monopoly as the best players are (almost) always going to want to play for the best clubs.

In the 21st Century there are (almost) no limits to which (global) team you play for.

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i struggle to imagine a chelsea team playing less interesting football than they currently do, and they have an unlimited budget so that ****s your theory up
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Re: [Football] Article on the Big Four and English Football

Yet they are still chasing the Quadruple. Lest we forget it was only a couple of seasons ago when Chelsea broke the Man U/Arsenal stranglehold on the title by becoming only the fourth team to win the Premier League since it began (sup Pig) and the first team to win it in a decade that wasn't Man U or Arsenal.
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football existed before sky please stop.
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Not just a salary cap, but a limit on what clubs can spend on transfer fees, wages, agents fees, bonuses, signing on fees and give them a budget to work with.

Get ticket prices reduced, nationwide. This can be achieved by a simple boycott from football grounds. The result of reduced prices is that suddenly, families can go and afford to watch football matches. This means kids aren't brought up on the hype. The problem is that the last 20 years have been among the worst for football. For a large part of 90s football still carried a hooligan image hangover from Hillsbrough, but at the same time got more expensive and became more available on TV. A whole generation of fans to clubs that aren't massive has potentially been lost.

Don't subscribe to sky.

this is full on head-in-the-clouds material


you make some valid points in the middle there but you seem to be blaming sky an awful lot.


its not just a case of 'dont subscribe to sky' or 'cap wages' as this wouldn't work now, its too late.
the only way to go from where we already are is to ensure a better division of the profits from things like the TV sponsorship etc.
You can't budget a private business, and like it or not, thats what the big football clubs are nowadays. And if you tried, you would probably end up with some ridiculous situation where the top leagues in europe would simply split from the FA(s) and create their own leagues, thus dividing top from bottom even more.
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Realistically all those shit premiership clubs play better, read of a higher quality, football than they did ten years ago. It's just the big four are far better.

To be honest while whoever wrote that article may have had a slight point the utterly spasticated way in which he wrote it means he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. I mean honest to ****ing god utd beat roma 7-1 and it's a black night for english football? Learn something about football you complete ****ing retard.
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this is full on head-in-the-clouds material


you make some valid points in the middle there but you seem to be blaming sky an awful lot.


its not just a case of 'dont subscribe to sky' or 'cap wages' as this wouldn't work now, its too late.
the only way to go from where we already are is to ensure a better division of the profits from things like the TV sponsorship etc.
You can't budget a private business, and like it or not, thats what the big football clubs are nowadays. And if you tried, you would probably end up with some ridiculous situation where the top leagues in europe would simply split from the FA(s) and create their own leagues, thus dividing top from bottom even more.
Not really, no. Because sky money has stopped the league being competitive, thus you get promoted, get to league, oh sorry sir they've massively outstripped your income and you won't win the league ever. So please tell me what the real point of promotion is, cos being also rans for many clubs is getting quite dull.

When they started treating football as a business to make money rather than something to keep afloat, that was their big mistake because that meant the biggest clubs just flew off into the distance and there was no competition in our top flight. The standard might have improved since 1992, I didn't go to the football then but the stats he talks about are exactly what I'm talking about. Foreign players are a good thing for a league, but when it gets to the stage that we get foreigners in simply cos of the cheaper wages and English talent is left by the wayside then we have some real issues. The fact is without massive funding, there is no longer the possibility for a Nottingham Forest of the 70's and the chances of a smaller team winning the FA cup or even the League Cup have been dramatically reduced. Brian Clough could come back from the dead, take over Nottingham Forest, get to the premiership with ease but once he got there the finances would probably screw any prospects of him succeeding quite badly. I do not view this as a 'good' thing for football.

If the top clubs see their monopoly on football being threatened in any way be it through caps or redistributing profits more fairly, the businessmen will just pull them out on the justification that they bring the most revenue and are key marketing points and that they deserve more money. Financially football is in a vice that it can't get out of in this country without help from the outside. Because while they have the most money by astronomical proportions, there's less chance of them losing out on players, losing matches and thus losing supporters.

It seems we're also in a stranglehold of fans who would rather see entertainment than a competitive league. Quite honestly if you enjoy Manchester United beating Charlton say 4-0 at Old Trafford, Charlton performing miserably and allowing United to play football, then you're pretty much missing the point of sport. You see, there are those of us who pay money to go to watch football and as much as the football might be better now, a lot of it is just filler for the main product that you like to enjoy. The only really vital matches for the other 16 teams in the premiership are relegation battles, because if you get relegated and the men running the finances are wrong, potentially you can lose your club.

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Really, if most fans think this way, the big four should just leave now and save us the bother. The majority of neutrals don't seem to give a toss if 88 football clubs fall by the wayside and have nothing to play for in a league that doesn't matter. Sport is about having a competition and thinking of ways to win that competition on the field, not by using money to try and nail any competition possible.

The fact that the big clubs want their own TV deals (fortunately someone actually stood up to this) rather than a collective deal says it all about how interested in a competitive league they are. If this happened in any other sector of business where the top 4 companies in a market worked together to preserve their income and nail everyone else's, they would be taken to court for breach of competition law but they don't because football is a sport.

Either it's a business or its a sport, not a business where you can ride free of regulation using the pretext of sport to do so. Modern football is the worst kind of monopoly and it needs regulation because even the best businesses (if you think that's what football clubs should be) who innovate and work hard to improve and are well run don't have a chance to become a major player in the market.

I don't just blame Sky, I blame the men in the various club boardrooms who seek to preserve this state of affairs simply because they get more money as a result. I love my club being in the top flight, because considering that we've come from near bankruptcy and relegation to the third tier (thank you Mr.Ball for keeping us up) to where we are now is some achievement. But I absolutely hate what the Premier League has created. Nailed the atmosphere at grounds by pricing the common man out and created a game where your team can't hope to win a trophy not just today but for the years to come.
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I mean honest to ****ing god utd beat roma 7-1 and it's a black night for english football? Learn something about football you complete ****ing retard.
In terms of how the game was played it was a great night for english football, I don't think he'd ever deny that. But then he thought of the consequences of that and went "oh, maybe it's not".
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Really, if most fans think this way, the big four should just leave now and save us the bother. The majority of neutrals don't seem to give a toss if 88 football clubs fall by the wayside and have nothing to play for in a league that doesn't matter. Sport is about having a competition and thinking of ways to win that competition on the field, not by using money to try and nail any competition possible.
Durrrr, competition doesn't work that way.



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Nah, it's complete idiocy. Even from his bizzare perspective more kids are going to take up football and they're not all going to end up being worshippers at the altar of the soulless manchester united PLC or whatever he's driveling on about.
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Nah, it's complete idiocy. Even from his bizzare perspective more kids are going to take up football and they're not all going to end up being worshippers at the altar of the soulless manchester united PLC or whatever he's driveling on about.
no, his point was that out of the kids who already DO follow football, this is going to convert neutrals away from their hometown clubs. Why is this not easy to understand? It's almost verbatim what the guy said.
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no, his point was that out of the kids who already DO follow football, this is going to convert neutrals away from their hometown clubs. Why is this not easy to understand? It's almost verbatim what the guy said.
This going to be a swipe at JBG but sorry.

I guess in Ireland most kids are Celtic, Man Utd or Liverpool fans.

So the idea that there are in fact 92 league clubs often won't cross their mind.

How about dividing TV money equally and re-introducing shared gate receipts, which formed part of the McGregor Doctrine that no group of clubs should become too powerful?

Regardless there has to be some way where money is more equally divided and some trickles down to the lower divisions. I mean look at Scarbrough, they will dissapear at the end of the season. Another club lost.

It says something about the state of football this season when the Championship is a more interesting league than the premiership. Whatever they are doing in that division the premier league and the FA need to take notice and follow suit.

Even some of the football is better than the shit i've seen this season.
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Durrrr, competition doesn't work that way.
Financially they are preventing clubs from having the chance to come up and challenging them because they have relatively more income than they did before Sky came in. The minute a structure is proposed that would put clubs on a level of income that would put clubs on a parity they would do anything to stop it, including breakup of the league. The reason why clubs in this country keep all gate receipts for home games is because Manchester United refused to have it any other way, because they had the biggest stadium. When the top 4 is decided by businessmen largely, this cannot be sport. It's like a country buying people to change nationality so they can win more medals at the olympics.

That in my view is unfair and not the way to run a sport. You obviously have good teams and bad teams, but if you act in a way that stops other teams from ever reaching your level because money trumps everything else, that's not the way to run a sporting competition.
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If football is about passion and all that jazz and not just a big merchandising exercise, then why not just support your local non-league team and ignore the nonsense in the press?
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If football is about passion and all that jazz and not just a big merchandising exercise, then why not just support your local non-league team and ignore the nonsense in the press?
I support my local team, the merchandising isn't necessary. Same for pig. We chose our clubs and that was it.

The first person who mentioned passion was you, passion is just going to distort things here. What we are talking about here is actually running a sporting competition.
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If football is about passion and all that jazz and not just a big merchandising exercise, then why not just support your local non-league team and ignore the nonsense in the press?
Incedentally where I live now my local non league team is Chasetown who I watch every other week or so. I go down for a pint and a chat and to watch some brutal football.

But saying that Villa is my local team, in strictest terms even counting Non league. Family are Villa etc.

The problem with non league football is that you can pay somewhere between £5-10 for a ticket.

A ticket down the Villa costs £10-20 at the moment, more for a "top 4 club" as then glory hunters pop down and we sell out, thus inflated prices.

They can't compete. To put simply money isn't trickling down the way it should.
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no, his point was that out of the kids who already DO follow football, this is going to convert neutrals away from their hometown clubs. Why is this not easy to understand? It's almost verbatim what the guy said.
That's taking a single result in isolation rather stupidly. Sure some kids will change from clubs x and y to being man utd fans but equally large numbers of people with no affiliation are going to find themselves drawn into football more and not necessarily towards man utd.

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I guess in Ireland most kids are Celtic, Man Utd or Liverpool fans.
I don't know what you mean by most, they don't make up 50%+ of the football supporting population and I imagine they're the three of the most widely supported clubs in Britain as well.

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Hello colossal exaggeration.

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How about dividing TV money equally and re-introducing shared gate receipts, which formed part of the McGregor Doctrine that no group of clubs should become too powerful?
If money is involved clubs will always attempt to maximise what they gain.

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Regardless there has to be some way where money is more equally divided and some trickles down to the lower divisions. I mean look at Scarbrough, they will dissapear at the end of the season. Another club lost.
The world, I'm sure, will never be quite the same again.

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Financially they are preventing clubs from having the chance to come up and challenging them because they have relatively more income than they did before Sky came in. The minute a structure is proposed that would put clubs on a level of income that would put clubs on a parity they would do anything to stop it, including breakup of the league. The reason why clubs in this country keep all gate receipts for home games is because Manchester United refused to have it any other way, because they had the biggest stadium. When the top 4 is decided by businessmen largely, this cannot be sport. It's like a country buying people to change nationality so they can win more medals at the olympics.
Money always decides things in team sports once they're professional. This is rather intrinsic with the idea of professionalisation.

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That in my view is unfair and not the way to run a sport. You obviously have good teams and bad teams, but if you act in a way that stops other teams from ever reaching your level because money trumps everything else, that's not the way to run a sporting competition.
I think it's unfair that teams sometimes play shit football. Maybe you should try imposing your world view on English football and see how far you get.



I mean no offence but this was always going to happen. Money breeds success which breeds money.
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Money always decides things in team sports once they're professional. This is rather intrinsic with the idea of professionalisation.
Does it have to? I mean in American Football for example we don't see anything close to the monopolisation we see in the English Premier League. The way money is distributed and spent needs to better regulated, to help the game at all its levels and to provide us with a real competition from top to bottom, with teams that are bad because they aren't well run, not because they can only spend half a million while the top team can spend 35.

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Unfair on who?

What is my world view on English football? Have I said we should ban attacking passing teams? All I've said is that teams want to win and if it means exposing these teams weaknesses by being negative and cynical instead of trying to outplay them when they can't, so be it. You seem to have this obsession that I hate passing football - not at all, I just respect teams that don't give a toss and want to work round it. When these passing teams get all worked up about how the opposition played I find it hilarious, what did they expect exactly for the other side to roll over and die or something? The only thing I hate about passing teams is their 'holier than thou' attitude about how football should be played. United and Chelsea can adapt and mix it up on both levels which is why they lose far less matches than anyone else because Arsenal are at one extreme and Liverpool are at the other.
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Does it have to? I mean in American Football for example we don't see anything close to the monopolisation we see in the English Premier League. The way money is distributed and spent needs to better regulated, to help the game at all its levels and to provide us with a real competition from top to bottom, with teams that are bad because they aren't well run, not because they can only spend half a million while the top team can spend 35.
Dramatically different leagues really. There are only 32 teams in a country with 300 million people. The way college football works etc. There's no realistic out for them either whereas the big european clubs could quite easily say "**** you fifa/uefa/fa" and form a super league


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Spectators? The team that plays better football and loses? I'm sorry but you can't have your cake with "competitiveness" and eat it too.

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I meant your view about teams spending money et cetera not quality of football.
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Dramatically different leagues really. There are only 32 teams in a country with 300 million people. The way college football works etc. There's no realistic out for them either whereas the big european clubs could quite easily say "**** you fifa/uefa/fa" and form a super league
Well these are just examples of how leagues have been competitive. What I am saying is that everyone needs to sit down and come to a better solution than what we have now because I'm not sure the premier league. We need a different way of running football, at least in England, if not globally and to simply defend the way it is now. I mean, when a club like Barcelona keep quiet about their kids because English clubs will pay ridiculous amounts to poach their talent, I think we have a problem when big clubs or top stature can't keep players because other clubs have ridiculous sums of money.

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Spectators? The team that plays better football and loses? I'm sorry but you can't have your cake with "competitiveness" and eat it too.
All I'm asking for is a chance for teams to make it to the top of the tree, to actually give teams something to play for. I paid £15 to watch my team draw 0-0 at Villa but I didn't regret it at all, it was a great day out, a great point couple by some excellent Portsmouth defending and goalkeeping. Villa were a bit inept in terms of their finishing but that's their fault and not our problem. Villa played the better football but there was nothing unfair about the draw from their point of view, they just needed to be able score a goal. I've seen a 1-1 between Villa and Fulham where both sides weren't even defensive they were just rubbish and that was far far worse than what I saw on Sunday.

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I just think if you had a more level playing field financially, we'd be more back to the premiership of the mid to late 90's which had great attacking football where teams attacked beyond reason because everyone believed they could win any game in the top flight but now the gap is so massive it's just not the case any more and teams have to do everything just to close that gap and in the current climate, I think this is justified. Our foreign players were generally brought in to be killer, not filler.

The current system is producing more of the kind of football you hate but while the distribution of cash is how it is, there's not a lot of alternative for clubs either in terms of playing to make money, or playing not to lose it. If teams were at a level where they could win games by attacking, then I'd be behind it 100% but lets face it they aren't so they play differently. Chelsea are playing the way they are because considering the stupid levels of short term investment, the only acceptable return can be trophies, so they play as efficiently as possible. I think even diehard Chelsea fans will admit that once they've got these trophies they would like to see their team play a more expansive style, but not before then because they've got a team built to play worldclass direct football and want to make the most of it.
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I just think if you had a more level playing field financially, we'd be more back to the premiership of the mid to late 90's which had great attacking football where teams attacked beyond reason because everyone believed they could win any game in the top flight but now the gap is so massive it's just not the case any more and teams have to do everything just to close that gap and in the current climate, I think this is justified. Our foreign players were generally brought in to be killer, not filler.
West Ham recently beat one of the big four, but I don't think that's your point. Until recently the Premiership was a league of two. Even in the mid-late 90s you only really had pretenders to the throne as one season of sucess can be meaningless if you've bankcrupt yourself getting there.

When there is talk now of the Big 4, there are still only two top teams with a couple of pretenders.

English players are so stupidly over-priced it is not often possible for any team other than the super-rich to buy them. Just being Enlglish pushes up your value to a stupid amount and in that scenario why wouldn't clubs get better players for less from abroad?
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do you mean this, or do you mean "being an established success in the Premiership"?
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Sir, I stand by my statement and wholehartedly reject any criticism you shall level at it.
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English players are so stupidly over-priced it is not often possible for any team other than the super-rich to buy them. Just being Enlglish pushes up your value to a stupid amount and in that scenario why wouldn't clubs get better players for less from abroad?
I absolutely agree. But i think the over-reliance on foreigners in teams is taking away from matches, as a lot of these players who I deem as 'filler' don't really give it 100%. Thus the players best suited for the league move up to the big teams relatively quickly as a team of brits sprinkled with some quality foreigners is an absolutely lethal mixture for a football team.
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