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Unread 10 Mar 2007, 01:20   #1
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so Conspiracy theory care to comment

seems you guys have been naughty
while your nap with is still in effect with vgn you only went and got nd and vsn to attack them for you

could you not have grown a pair and hit them directly?
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Unread 10 Mar 2007, 01:26   #2
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

I don't think ND has any love for CT. At least not the command there.
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

by looking at last night's incoming, it's more believeable that ND is flak for Destiny, allthough I'm quite sure they'll deny it

As for our strategy and politics, no, we don't intend on making any public comments
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

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by looking at last night's incoming, it's more believeable that ND is flak for Destiny, allthough I'm quite sure they'll deny it
coming from an Alliance which pretty much napped all top5 (to be fair: one ex-top5) except us..

and yeh..rumors are true - we also convinced Peniz-Allianz to run flak for us.

ridiculous duck. get ur facts right
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

it's called mis-direction antigone by ignoring the original point of the thread or not answering the allegations and stating the opposite he is trying to bullshit his way out

CT got caught with their hand in the cookie jar but they sure as hell aint gonna admit
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Unread 10 Mar 2007, 03:04   #6
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As for our strategy and politics, no, we don't intend on making any public comments
for those of you who missed it above.. the round isn't over, why would we engage in a debate over strategy or politics while the round is going on
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Unread 10 Mar 2007, 03:10   #7
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

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coming from an Alliance which pretty much napped all top5 (to be fair: one ex-top5) except us..
Tried to. I believe they approached Wakey who told them no as it would be suicide for us and isnt something we have done since round 6.

With this and doing a ChronoX on ND seems they have been bad recently if it is all true.
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Tried to. I believe they approached Wakey who told them no as it would be suicide for us and isnt something we have done since round 6.

With this and doing a ChronoX on ND seems they have been bad recently if it is all true.

no member of CT's HC approached Wakey, or anyone else in F Crew concerning any political agreements..... why would we
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to make yourself look good...
ofcourse it might be best not to comment at all in order to attain that goal. OH I SEE...
and ofcourse we're all quite concerned about looking good ( think about it, we got Stifler and Arfy :/ )
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

oh stfu already. If you don't like CT, hit them. You will find all you need in the fleets and mission pages.
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

I see someone twisting facts here as always before.
Vgn hit VsN first we hit back....nothing more to it really.
We certainly dont need a duck to provoke that action
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Tried to. I believe they approached Wakey who told them no as it would be suicide for us and isnt something we have done since round 6.
F-Crew trying to big themselves up non shocker.
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ND is nobody's bitch.
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True, bitches get paid
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

so we have a no comment from CT and a denial from both nd and vsn
so in the world of AD i guess that makes it true
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

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seems you guys have been naughty
while your nap with is still in effect with vgn you only went and got nd and vsn to attack them for you

could you not have grown a pair and hit them directly?

Well, if its true (i dont play, so im not hindered by knowledge), then its only a repeat of what 1up did, when they napped the top LCH planets (elviz and costeau for instance), and let their lapdogs ND rape those planets for them.

On top of that, its politics, so who cares ^^
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

its so nice you only need 1 brain cell to be able to post on AD and hope ppl believe everything you write
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so we have a no comment from CT and a denial from both nd and vsn
so in the world of AD i guess that makes it true
Hardly a denial from either.

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I see someone twisting facts here as always before.
Vgn hit VsN first we hit back....nothing more to it really.
We certainly dont need a duck to provoke that action
Quite clearly admitting that they hit VGN.

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Well, if its true (i dont play, so im not hindered by knowledge), then its only a repeat of what 1up did, when they napped the top LCH planets (elviz and costeau for instance), and let their lapdogs ND rape those planets for them.
Let's stay on topic here. More CT goodness, less r12 bitterness.
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well, ct are definitely napped with tof and vsn if that clears anything up
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well, ct are definitely napped with tof and vsn if that clears anything up
finally some official statements!
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finally some official statements!
jer isn't CT, so it's hardly an official statement. It's almost certainly true though.
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I thought that Nitros's post was sarcasm
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

Angryduck, napping everyone is copyrighted by NoS. Expect a call from Dingo shortly.
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

we could nap every alliance in the top 20 and still not have agreed to as many nap's as NoS has over their history
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Ofcourse not, but NoS existed for 12 rounds, you only have one round under your belt, but you are making the NoS name proud!
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hell I can think of one round inparticular you did nap the top 20
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I think with the round as it has been, no one can use incomings as a reason to blame anyone for cooperating with anyone. If you have 3 different alliances attacking you then it means that they all like what they see, and with a small number of targets this happened alot this round. If some of those alliances come in after the others, then it means that they got smart and decided to launch later to avoid piggies and allow the piggies to soak up def.
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Sadly it seems like this round politics have more or less only revolved around the assumption that people are co-operating when they accidentaly launch on the same galaxy as other alliances.

If that is the level of politics has been more or less the entire round I can understand why this has been a boring round.
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Jesus, everyone* just shut up already. Who gives a damn anyways, it's not like it's forbidden to nap 100 alliances, for christ's sake. Give it a rest.

AD has become so full of whiners, it's really sad. If it's not against the rules, it's allowed. Maybe the others should grow some brains and try all they can, too.

Sorry about the rant, but I had to say it. Once at least.

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politics decide games not strgenght of an ally
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congrats ct
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AD has become so full of whiners, it's really sad.
yeah man! AD back in r3/4 was so ridiculously nice and sweet... and then r11 onwards too !!!!!!!! it's like SUDDENLY OUT OF NOWHERE, THESE WHINERS APPEARED!

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So let me get this straight. Ascendancy can win round 16 with a motto that was essentially "we did nothing and still won" and are praised for it. CT/VgN wins, and even though they BOTH did more than Ascendancy, are slated?

I fail to see where you're coming from. If you beat all the opposition, you deserve it - because you either know the game better or played the hardest or was the most tactful.
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If Sjor is actually trying to say that VGN can't win now, I'm going to seriously consider disavowing all knowledge of ever having been a part of them.


Honestly. You guys should have a lot of stockpiled resources, let's see how things look once you've spent them.
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So let me get this straight. Ascendancy can win round 16 with a motto that was essentially "we did nothing and still won" and are praised for it. CT/VgN wins, and even though they BOTH did more than Ascendancy, are slated?

I fail to see where you're coming from. If you beat all the opposition, you deserve it - because you either know the game better or played the hardest or was the most tactful.
he means the winner(apparently CT) didn't outsmart, just outgrinded - like a football match between 2 awful teams and one manages to get a goal and stick with it
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VGN's own fault for not doing anything about it. Not enough atleast.
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Outgrinding another alliance (which for the most part of the round had 10 more players than ourselves) is surely a deserved victory though?
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I can't remember a round where the alliance battle came down to the wire like this. You all may or may not like how it got here, but it's certainly going to be interesting possibly even down to the last tick.

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he means the winner(apparently CT) didn't outsmart, just outgrinded - like a football match between 2 awful teams and one manages to get a goal and stick with it
nothing "awful" about the alliances in the top 5, or they wouldn't be in the top 5. This round has had wars, allthough all of you may not have been involved, the wars have been there, I'm sure Destiny, my fellow CT members , and VGN would agree that no one has sat around with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing. This round has been about grinding it out night after night, you let your guard down once, or drop the ball 1 time, you could be out of it just like that. Been very interesting and exhausting in that repsect.
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oh give me a break what a load of tosh, you're either playing a game noone else is, or you're taking some ****ed up drugs
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Very productive post. Must of taken you a whole 5 seconds to think of a responce like this surely?

Now, i presume i am correct that you are not in the alliances VGN, Destiny or Conspiracy? So then you will have no knoweldge of how tiring it can be or what actually happends (ie seeing those defence calls every day)

What i dislike is people outside of alliances telling them what they see. They have no idea whats happening in those alliances. Your basing your facts on what? Sandmans?

As duck said there have been wars. I know as i have been in Conspiracy. I have saw the constant incoming and the constant calls coming through with our officers pushed to the limit in dealing with them, and they have dealt with them fantastically. So to you this round might be boring. To the alliances who were fighting it out, it of course wasnt.

I think both alliances VGN and Conspiracy deserve the win. This week we will see who wants it more.
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I think Alki has plenty of experience with exhaustion in top alliances, especially so after mil HCing Angels more or less alone in round 15/16.
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I think Alki has plenty of experience with exhaustion in top alliances, especially so after mil HCing Angels more or less alone in round 15/16.

I was not questioning his experience. I was questioning the fact unless hes in the alliances in question how can he make such a comment? (same with everyone in this thread)

Also, if the alliances below the top 5 claim the top alliances are boring. Simple. do somthing about it.
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I was not questioning his experience. I was questioning the fact unless hes in the alliances in question how can he make such a comment? (same with everyone in this thread)
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Now, i presume i am correct that you are not in the alliances VGN, Destiny or Conspiracy? So then you will have no knoweldge of how tiring it can be or what actually happends (ie seeing those defence calls every day)
What? If I am not in one of the alliances in question, I am not in a position where I can comment on anything these alliances do. Is that what you are saying?


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Obviously these alliances can do something about it, but they usually don't have the resources necessary to force the top 3 to play in a more exciting way. I am not saying that this is always the case, but how often do you see a sub-top 5 alliance dictate the politics of the top 3?
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What? If I am not in one of the alliances in question, I am not in a position where I can comment on anything these alliances do. Is that what you are saying?
Feel free to post somthing constructive. Nothing in that one line was construtive at all (alki post). My post is to point out, people outside of an alliance may think the tactics these 3 alliances played have been boring. But, as they are not within the alliance they dont witness the incoming and attacks taking place. (ie i could claim ND were boring and my reasoning for that would be i havent saw them launch an attack all round, which of course is false but i havent witnessed it so i can say that and its true?) Using ND as an example there. (i know full well what i just said is false before somone claims im bad mouthing ND i could of said any alliance)

Fact is your always going to get people posting on these boards about alliances they are not in claiming they are playing it safe, fence sitting, or just been boring in there pollitics. But my point still stands. Anyone can post stuff like that, but without actual fact i dont think it holds much.




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Obviously these alliances can do something about it, but they usually don't have the resources necessary to force the top 3 to play in a more exciting way. I am not saying that this is always the case, but how often do you see a sub-top 5 alliance dictate the politics of the top 3?

I agree most of the time they dont. However they still have that choice. But to respond to that i beleive last round TOF and 2 other alliances played a more active role in dictating pollitics? If i remmember correctly, we had a block, which forced ND to nap with exi early unless i am mistaken? (which might have cost them the round)

All alliances have a choice. Sitting back and moaning on here to me doesnt gain you any respect at all. Going out there and making an impact does.
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War game. If CT wanna nap someone and organise them to attack them, it seems like the reasonable thing to do. who wants to finish second place.. :/
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Feel free to post somthing constructive. Nothing in that one line was construtive at all (alki post). My post is to point out, people outside of an alliance may think the tactics these 3 alliances played have been boring. But, as they are not within the alliance they dont witness the incoming and attacks taking place. (ie i could claim ND were boring and my reasoning for that would be i havent saw them launch an attack all round, which of course is false but i havent witnessed it so i can say that and its true?) Using ND as an example there. (i know full well what i just said is false before somone claims im bad mouthing ND i could of said any alliance)
I am terribly sorry, but we are not playing in private galaxies here. This means that I witness it whenever CT attack the VGN in my galaxy, whenever the VGN in my galaxy attacks CT, and it also means that whoever else is in my alliance and share a galaxy with someone from a top alliance can actually see these things take place! Amazing isn't it?

We don't see your defense channel, however we can see your galaxystatus and do jgps on you. We are not stupid, if we notice 2-3 galaxies being galaxyraided by an alliance, we can surely conclude that this alliance is not at war with these galaxies, it is in fact just going there for easy roids. Can't we?

Also, whenever something like a war happens in PA, the word spreads around netgamers like a wildfire in dry grass. For you to deny that we can't know what is happening without actually being there is silly, as it assumes there is no way for us observe without a membership. Clearly you see how this is false?

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Fact is your always going to get people posting on these boards about alliances they are not in claiming they are playing it safe, fence sitting, or just been boring in there pollitics. But my point still stands. Anyone can post stuff like that, but without actual fact i dont think it holds much.
Every way to play the game within the EULA is valid, and fine to play. Any alliance can play in whichever way they want. This does not mean that they will get any respect or avoid whines if they play in a way the community considers to be excruciatingly shit.

I'd say there are plenty of actual facts - like for instance CT roiding my planet 2 ticks yesterday, and 3 ticks the day before, while not even managing to put that many waves on a VGN with 2k roids in my galaxy. Don't get me wrong, I don't care about being roided. In fact I shouldn't care about this at all. What I voice is that I think CT (and the other 2 top 3 alliances) go about trying to win this round in a very silly way. I won't mention all the reasons why I wish that all the top 3 alliances imploded and let ND win (Never thought I'd say that), but I do have my reasons, and if the top 3 alliances didn't play in a way I deemed to be 'shit', I wouldn't have. I think the same applies to Alki, even if he didn't mention it.

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I agree most of the time they dont. However they still have that choice. But to respond to that i beleive last round TOF and 2 other alliances played a more active role in dictating pollitics? If i remmember correctly, we had a block, which forced ND to nap with exi early unless i am mistaken? (which might have cost them the round)

All alliances have a choice. Sitting back and moaning on here to me doesnt gain you any respect at all. Going out there and making an impact does.
Yes, ToF/VSN napped to Angels, which lead ND into napping eXi and gave us 4 shit weeks. However, (correct me if mistaken) I'm pretty sure that Angels took the initiative in this case, and I'm also pretty sure that both ToF/VSN finished inside top 5. You could hardly have picked a worse example.

Yeah, all alliances have a choice. Sitting back and waiting until the last week to try to get rid of your opponenets, and then frantically try to get a lot of support for hitting them does not gain you any respect from the community at all. Actually being active in politics and having an impact on the way other alliances play the round would.
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Bottom line is, Willzzz, that if your alliance expects (or more importantly, wants) recognition as a great, or good alliance, they need to play in a way the community finds fitting for such an alliance. If your alliance don't want or expect this, then stop acting as if you are surprised by the reaction in the community to the round.
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Bottom line is, Willzzz, that if your alliance expects (or more importantly, wants) recognition as a great, or good alliance, they need to play in a way the community finds fitting for such an alliance. If your alliance don't want or expect this, then stop acting as if you are surprised by the reaction in the community to the round.
what we want is to do our best to provide our members an opportunity and the tools to have success.

what those outside of CT think, or believe is irrelevant in our eyes. If our members do well, then we are satisfied.
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

I thought so.

In other words, stop acting as if you expect anything else than scorn from the community (Directed mainly at Willzzz).
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Re: so Conspiracy theory care to comment

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Very productive post. Must of taken you a whole 5 seconds to think of a responce like this surely?

Now, i presume i am correct that you are not in the alliances VGN, Destiny or Conspiracy? So then you will have no knoweldge of how tiring it can be or what actually happends (ie seeing those defence calls every day)

What i dislike is people outside of alliances telling them what they see. They have no idea whats happening in those alliances. Your basing your facts on what? Sandmans?

As duck said there have been wars. I know as i have been in Conspiracy. I have saw the constant incoming and the constant calls coming through with our officers pushed to the limit in dealing with them, and they have dealt with them fantastically. So to you this round might be boring. To the alliances who were fighting it out, it of course wasnt.

I think both alliances VGN and Conspiracy deserve the win. This week we will see who wants it more.
You are right in a sense that I do not have first hand knowledge this round of what wars have occured, are occuring? But i must say that it does not take a genius to see what is going on in the universe, hey i've even seen proof via jgp's and gal statuses, and I must say even though i've not been in the 3 alliances per say I believe i can have a pretty good opinion at what constitutes as a 'hard' time, and if the alliances have deserved it.

Maybe the definition of war has changed over the rounds, I still see war as a long engaging battle, rather than a few day fairy dance around the maypole. Also hitting full galaxies with members of alliances you are 'warring' with, don't constitute as proper war days, let's face it all the top 3 have done all round is what i like to call 'advanced gal raids'
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