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15 Sep 2010, 19:05
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Re: Mehh
Your whole line of argumentation here is built on the assumption that ND was trying to rally alliances and backstab you.
So - I wonder what will NFI do if ND doesn't launch after NAP ends. Or is the supposed intent enough to warrant first strike?
Appreciated your honesty about admitting the escorts. Though that leads to the following questions:
- After how many escorts is it really flagshipping?
- What is the difference between organised escorts and unorganised ones?
- Why am I still posting here?
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15 Sep 2010, 19:05
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Mehh
I suggest you do to ND what was done to them last round.
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15 Sep 2010, 19:07
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Banned
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
I don't recall. It might have been Isildurx that pm'd tzu and made the request, but you'd have to ask him.
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This actually has to be a joke right?
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And come on JBG, I'm not claiming a moment of brilliance - we'd just managed to start communicating objectively too
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Claiming it's not boring is almost as bad. It's probably less boring that what was happening but on a scale of 1-10 with 9 being paint drying and 10 being the nfi/nd nap for the past couple of weeks this rates about a 7.
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15 Sep 2010, 19:07
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The Video Guy
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
So you are arguing that "Would you be interested in hitting NFI" is a backstab coming from ND, but NFI can go around asking "Where do you stand in the current political situation"? Because that's just an absurd reason to drop a nap. Both questions serve the same ****ing purpose, to find out what the alliance is planning on doing if certain events occure.
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Sigh.
No, ND made their approaches, which CAUSED the nap to end. AFTER I'd given ND notification of the termination of our nap, I THEN spoke to people about where they found themselves.
All of whom reported that DZ had already spoken to them and asked for their help lol.
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15 Sep 2010, 19:19
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Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Mehh
may the least arrogant HCīs alliance win!
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15 Sep 2010, 19:26
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The Video Guy
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Marka
Your whole line of argumentation here is built on the assumption that ND was trying to rally alliances and backstab you.
So - I wonder what will NFI do if ND doesn't launch after NAP ends. Or is the supposed intent enough to warrant first strike?
Appreciated your honesty about admitting the escorts. Though that leads to the following questions:
- After how many escorts is it really flagshipping?
- What is the difference between organised escorts and unorganised ones?
- Why am I still posting here?
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Thank you for posting and replying objectively!
Couldn't say what/how many consitutes escorting. I think it's only escorting so long as people to recall for somebody to land solo. Yes, I am guilty of asking rain and jinstarro to do this on occassion, other times they've landed with him.
I apologise for Phant's comments btw, it was only when somebody mentioned a few posts ago what he'd actually said that anyone had told me. No wonder he's been getting negative attention
Organised escorts would be "HC instructed" rather than people volunteering. Again, apologies but am guilty of that. I'll paste logs at one point of me telling phant exactly what I thought of escorting and why I was doing it; I just need to find them first.
As to your last one, I don't know.
Oh, and shortlogtime:
[18:26:59] * lizardking slaps Kenny around a bit with a large trout
[18:27:01] <lizardking> logs
[18:27:02] <lizardking> where?
[18:28:05] <@Kenny> of?
[18:28:18] <lizardking> about that planet argument
[18:38:10] <@Kenny> http://pastebin.com/Y7JM44Zx
[18:38:22] <@Kenny> that was me being "emo"
[18:43:17] <lizardking> hehe
[18:43:24] <lizardking> the other guy sounds like a tard'
[19:12:25] <@Ali> Kenny: you should post that on forums for the ignoramuses
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15 Sep 2010, 19:32
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: Mehh
Evening lads.
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Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu
If Kenny's word isn't good enough, you can have mine. Over 10 years now I've held to it, and I've no intention of going back on it this round either.
ND/CT/Osiris will not be targeted to either ensure NFI win or advance our planet/gal ranks unless they first take hostile actions against us.
ps. I'm rather appalled that there's such disbelief that someone playing this game might actually strive to be honorable in their actions.
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Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu
Personally I was planning on burning App/Asc to the ground, and then just galraid.
Our reputation means more to me than backstabbing friends to mop up a round once we've secured a win. Those ranks are hollow and barely earned, and it's disrespectful towards the hard work good players in friendly alliances have put in to get where they are.
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Originally Posted by Kenny
See, this is what I was touching upon pre-round in the discussion of the new alliance points system where I said there should definitely be more competition in PA, but that there should be more to compete for rather than allowing everyone to compete for the same thing.
[NFI] is not now nor was it ever intended to be an alliance that will go for #1 at all costs. We have our own goals, and stepping on toes and backstabbing to acheive victory just don't enter into them. If we can go the whole round without any mass-crashing (let's face it, our HC team don't have the best recent track record!), finishing above Asc and Apprime, and having stuck to our words for the entire duration, then that will be a win for us.
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Any comments Sun Tzu / Kenny on your political position in light of the above?
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15 Sep 2010, 19:38
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Sigh.
No, ND made their approaches, which CAUSED the nap to end. AFTER I'd given ND notification of the termination of our nap, I THEN spoke to people about where they found themselves.
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Surely in order for you to have any reason whatsoever to end the NAP you must have talked to other people in different alliances first?
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15 Sep 2010, 19:42
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The Video Guy
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Mehh
I was propositioned by Apprime after DZ had spoken to them.
Once it became apparent that it wasn't going to be the whole universe vs NFI, I ended the nap for all the reasons stated previously.
And lokken, I have answered in previous posts. You're moderator, you should be reading them.
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15 Sep 2010, 19:44
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Re: Mehh
so basicly becaus firbird pmed you and told you some storie about apprime been approached by nd to hit you at some unknow point in round you decided that it meant every allince was ganging up on you already?did he feed you the line about us all been reddy to hit you as well?
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15 Sep 2010, 19:45
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Thank you for posting and replying objectively!
Couldn't say what/how many consitutes escorting. I think it's only escorting so long as people to recall for somebody to land solo. Yes, I am guilty of asking rain and jinstarro to do this on occassion, other times they've landed with him.
I apologise for Phant's comments btw, it was only when somebody mentioned a few posts ago what he'd actually said that anyone had told me. No wonder he's been getting negative attention
Organised escorts would be "HC instructed" rather than people volunteering. Again, apologies but am guilty of that. I'll paste logs at one point of me telling phant exactly what I thought of escorting and why I was doing it; I just need to find them first.
As to your last one, I don't know.
Oh, and shortlogtime:
[18:26:59] * lizardking slaps Kenny around a bit with a large trout
[18:27:01] <lizardking> logs
[18:27:02] <lizardking> where?
[18:28:05] <@Kenny> of?
[18:28:18] <lizardking> about that planet argument
[18:38:10] <@Kenny> http://pastebin.com/Y7JM44Zx
[18:38:22] <@Kenny> that was me being "emo"
[18:43:17] <lizardking> hehe
[18:43:24] <lizardking> the other guy sounds like a tard'
[19:12:25] <@Ali> Kenny: you should post that on forums for the ignoramuses
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15 Sep 2010, 19:47
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Join Date: May 2001
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Once it became apparent that it wasn't going to be the whole universe vs NFI, I ended the nap for all the reasons stated previously.
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Originally Posted by You, first post in this thread
We may now find ourselves in a position whereby we have no naps (apart from CT who have been amazing to work with this round) and being attacked by everyone over the entire universe.
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Contradict yourself much recently dear?
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15 Sep 2010, 19:49
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The Video Guy
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Re: Mehh
No. I said 'we may'. While I don't want to criticize Apprime straight off the bat, I'm not about to put a 2nd mortgage on them not deciding at some point that they want to hit us some more. At the moment we have a mutual interest, which may or may not last until the end of the round.
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15 Sep 2010, 19:51
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Fair question.
I'd disagree about the insecurity though. In fact, apart from CT I haven't asked anyone to join in. I only asked CT because NewDawn have basically been treating them like mugs for the whole round and thought they should be given the opportunity to get some retribution. I heard that NewDawn were of the impression that Hex were in our 'block' so pm'd Kai to see what was going on, he said he'd told Digizero 'no' when asked to help hit NFI. I then told Hex not to get involved and put themselves at risk of a bashing by helping us.
I also spoke to Osi to find out what their take on the matter was to see what their intentions were - and you can confirm this with them as well, I never once asked for help in hitting newdawn (even though Digizero asked them for help hitting us). All I've asked of Osi is to let me know what they intend to do.
In regards to the actual thread - I thought it best maybe explain to some degree why what was happening is happening. Besides, AD's notoriously shit - it's about time something happening in PA that was worth talking about.
Nothing to do with an insecurity
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aye, but it did seem to start with a lot of
NewDawn <----- TREACHEROUS BASTARDS!!!!!
which seemed a subtle ploy to make everyone mistrust ND and likely turn on them. The thread is funny though, no lie!
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15 Sep 2010, 20:01
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by booji
and still no gangbang on NFI which any other top alliance would have had to face you need a baptism of fire at some point to be a decent alliance!
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15 Sep 2010, 20:08
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Shev
so basicly becaus firbird pmed you and told you some storie about apprime been approached by nd to hit you at some unknow point in round you decided that it meant every allince was ganging up on you already?did he feed you the line about us all been reddy to hit you as well?
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15 Sep 2010, 20:14
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
I don't recall. It might have been Isildurx that pm'd tzu and made the request, but you'd have to ask him.
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Rofl, only thing isil could offer you is talks about Aston Villa.
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15 Sep 2010, 20:16
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by Kenny
I was propositioned by Apprime after DZ had spoken to them.
Once it became apparent that it wasn't going to be the whole universe vs NFI, I ended the nap for all the reasons stated previously.
And lokken, I have answered in previous posts. You're moderator, you should be reading them.
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There has been nothing of the sort from reading the thread. Quite frankly the "you're the moderator" is a pathetic cheap shot, but I expected a ducking of the issue. So anyway, in more detail:
Your first post clearly states in summary form that you are ending the NAP for no reason other than you don't like seeing another alliance being hit less despite it having no effect on your final rank, you don't like them because they're fencing (despite the fact that their fencing has won you the round) and because reading between the lines, you want #1 planet above all else. Moreover, you have pretty much said you're more than happy with doing that in spite of your previous promises, which I have quoted above.
Now given that these are mere trivialities compared to say, a tag win what NFI have done is a complete breach of trust, given that at least if a win was at stake, you were I don't know - actually trying to win. What this thread appears to amount to right now is a smear campaign against NewDawn to justify their complete betrayal in order to gain #1 planet. Furthermore, its by once again, blocking to an extent more than necessary and encouraging more people to join in. Do you hate good planetarion or something or is stagnation of the universe a trademark you like to wave around?
Your basic point here is "we're ending the NAP, but we have our reasons". Given the posts above and the fact that the one allegation that might even semi-justify a condition of one of the posts is completely unsubstantiated (and there's been nothing from you to suggest that it is true), do you have any sense of shame?
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15 Sep 2010, 21:48
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The Video Guy
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by lokken
There has been nothing of the sort from reading the thread. Quite frankly the "you're the moderator" is a pathetic cheap shot, but I expected a ducking of the issue. So anyway, in more detail:
Your first post clearly states in summary form that you are ending the NAP for no reason other than you don't like seeing another alliance being hit less despite it having no effect on your final rank, you don't like them because they're fencing (despite the fact that their fencing has won you the round) and because reading between the lines, you want #1 planet above all else. Moreover, you have pretty much said you're more than happy with doing that in spite of your previous promises, which I have quoted above.
Now given that these are mere trivialities compared to say, a tag win what NFI have done is a complete breach of trust, given that at least if a win was at stake, you were I don't know - actually trying to win. What this thread appears to amount to right now is a smear campaign against NewDawn to justify their complete betrayal in order to gain #1 planet. Furthermore, its by once again, blocking to an extent more than necessary and encouraging more people to join in. Do you hate good planetarion or something or is stagnation of the universe a trademark you like to wave around?
Your basic point here is "we're ending the NAP, but we have our reasons". Given the posts above and the fact that the one allegation that might even semi-justify a condition of one of the posts is completely unsubstantiated (and there's been nothing from you to suggest that it is true), do you have any sense of shame?
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No. I'm waiting to speak to Amon to see if he minds me quoting him.
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15 Sep 2010, 21:51
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The brother of Spammer
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Paisley - Scotland
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Re: Mehh
First off ... Congrats to Apprime on their new status of Flak ally... Nice to see CarDi and co go from strength to strength.
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Originally Posted by lokken
There has been nothing of the sort from reading the thread. Quite frankly the "you're the moderator" is a pathetic cheap shot, but I expected a ducking of the issue. So anyway, in more detail:
Your first post clearly states in summary form that you are ending the NAP for no reason other than you don't like seeing another alliance being hit less despite it having no effect on your final rank, you don't like them because they're fencing (despite the fact that their fencing has won you the round) and because reading between the lines, you want #1 planet above all else. Moreover, you have pretty much said you're more than happy with doing that in spite of your previous promises, which I have quoted above.
Now given that these are mere trivialities compared to say, a tag win what NFI have done is a complete breach of trust, given that at least if a win was at stake, you were I don't know - actually trying to win. What this thread appears to amount to right now is a smear campaign against NewDawn to justify their complete betrayal in order to gain #1 planet. Furthermore, its by once again, blocking to an extent more than necessary and encouraging more people to join in. Do you hate good planetarion or something or is stagnation of the universe a trademark you like to wave around?
Your basic point here is "we're ending the NAP, but we have our reasons". Given the posts above and the fact that the one allegation that might even semi-justify a condition of one of the posts is completely unsubstantiated (and there's been nothing from you to suggest that it is true), do you have any sense of shame?
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Re: Mehh
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No. I'm waiting to speak to Amon to see if he minds me quoting him.
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You are about to go to war! why are you worried about copyright?
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15 Sep 2010, 21:59
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Re: Mehh
What ally do i have to join?
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida, USA
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by adjuhh
I had Phant a week ago landing on me solo, when also your HC (Sun_tzu) and two others (not Rain or Jinstarro according to our intel) were escorting him, so pls stop calling it 'unorganised'.
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You have no idea what was organized or what wasn't. I attacked with my CO with Phant at one point (I think it actually was a wave on you) and then had to recall for defensive purposes, best be damned I was planning on landing. I was actually going to force him to recall so I could land solo
This thread is full of so much worthless flaming and trolling from people that have NFI about the situation that it hurts
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Re: Mehh
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Then you would fit right in with our 'honourless bunch' considering you wanted to put the relay in ODDR
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the back of that horse broke a long time ago , there never was or ever be an oddr relay. I must say the nfi propaganda takes off. Furthermore kenny claimed nd was rallying support from other alliances so they called of the nap. Where is the proof of this kenny?
Alot of hot air , but rest assure if nfi plays next round this debt will be called in.
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Re: Mehh
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This thread is full of so much worthless flaming and trolling from people that have NFI about the situation that it hurts
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All alliances suffer from chronic groupthink, other members act as an echo for your own thoughts, confirming what you already knew, so amazingly you are right. This is because you have similar interests and outlooks. What Im saying is that your assessment off the situation looks truthful because others you talk too agree, and so does mine, or whoever elses. The further from the direct consequences, ie outside the top5/6 the more likely the groupthink will give a balanced view. The closest to reality would come from a well informed member of the lower ranked alliances who have less investment in the current political situation. But they dont exist, or if they do, they definitely dont post.
In my view there has been quite a lot of reasoned argument in this thread (relative to the norm, admittedly a low base), clearly you view such reasonable argument as worthless, probably because Kenny keeps getting tripped up by what he said in earlier threads!
Wtf did i write that?
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Re: Mehh
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What ally do i have to join?
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Re: Mehh
any planet, galaxy or alliance that wins (without breaking any of the game rules) deserves to win. because they played the game and came out on top.
anything else is just boring AD nonsense that has been knocking around since caveman times.
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Re: Mehh
That was a delightful non-sequitur.
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida, USA
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
All alliances suffer from chronic groupthink, other members act as an echo for your own thoughts, confirming what you already knew, so amazingly you are right. This is because you have similar interests and outlooks. What Im saying is that your assessment off the situation looks truthful because others you talk too agree, and so does mine, or whoever elses. The further from the direct consequences, ie outside the top5/6 the more likely the groupthink will give a balanced view. The closest to reality would come from a well informed member of the lower ranked alliances who have less investment in the current political situation. But they dont exist, or if they do, they definitely dont post.
In my view there has been quite a lot of reasoned argument in this thread (relative to the norm, admittedly a low base), clearly you view such reasonable argument as worthless, probably because Kenny keeps getting tripped up by what he said in earlier threads!
Wtf did i write that?
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Perhaps true. Perhaps we can all agree on these points:
- [NFI] and ND each had every intent of staying true to their word on staying NAP'd the remainder of the round. If you really don't trust Kenny, at the very least Sun_Tzu's word should be worth something to anyone who knows him.
- ND got upset/frustrated/miffed/<whatever your favorite term may be> regarding several issues, namely planet ranks, some discussions/tactics regarding Phant and other issues, I'm sure. ND members, per DZ, became a bit restless and wanted to, at the very least, hit Phant.
- [NFI] got wind of ND shopping around from other alliances. Is there proof of this? Perhaps. There are quite a few logs flying around, take your pick.
The final two items seem to work together to create the situation at hand now. From [NFI]'s standpoint, if you have what you consider to be reliable evidence that your counterpart may make a move, what do you do? Do you stand there with your head in the sand or do you try to make a move that helps cover your ass in the event that they do spring something on you?
As always, I find it mind-blowing how often players are shocked/confused/irritated when alliances attempt to put themselves in position to succeed. Apparently standing by while it becomes 1+5 vs. 2+3+4 would have been the noble thing to do!
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Re: Mehh
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there never was or ever be an oddr relay.
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Internet
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Re: Mehh
Had some serious trouble getting through line three of most peoples posts. http://pastebin.com/Y7JM44Zx Did anyone contest the veracity of this log because it seems like a pretty good justification for NFI to break off a NAP that they previously said they wouldn't.
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16 Sep 2010, 00:27
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#132
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
Posts: 21
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by nolezy
Perhaps true. Perhaps we can all agree on these points:
- [NFI] and ND each had every intent of staying true to their word on staying NAP'd the remainder of the round. If you really don't trust Kenny, at the very least Sun_Tzu's word should be worth something to anyone who knows him.
- ND got upset/frustrated/miffed/<whatever your favorite term may be> regarding several issues, namely planet ranks, some discussions/tactics regarding Phant and other issues, I'm sure. ND members, per DZ, became a bit restless and wanted to, at the very least, hit Phant.
- [NFI] got wind of ND shopping around from other alliances. Is there proof of this? Perhaps. There are quite a few logs flying around, take your pick.
The final two items seem to work together to create the situation at hand now. From [NFI]'s standpoint, if you have what you consider to be reliable evidence that your counterpart may make a move, what do you do? Do you stand there with your head in the sand or do you try to make a move that helps cover your ass in the event that they do spring something on you?
As always, I find it mind-blowing how often players are shocked/confused/irritated when alliances attempt to put themselves in position to succeed. Apparently standing by while it becomes 1+5 vs. 2+3+4 would have been the noble thing to do!
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As mentioned before, why would ND want to hit Phant (and other NFI planets) when asc/app/osi/... were doing it for them. They were in a great position to cruise to planetwin with only app being able (but solo probably wouldn't succeed) to roid their topplanets.
And if ND had really wanted to drop the nap and fight for allywin, they should have done this weeks ago when the entire uni was at their side, wanting a piece of NFI.
So either ND now realised (too late) that they had a chance of winning the round, and they did talk to other allies about backstabbing you. Or, most likely, you NFI guys overreacted and misinterpreted some conversations someone from ND had, because you were looking for an excuse to drop the NAP. So you could start hitting the ND topplanets.
ps. Sorry Nolezy, that I thought it was you escorting Phant, while it was actually him escorting you
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16 Sep 2010, 00:36
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#133
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Round 1er
Join Date: May 2001
Location: PA, USA
Posts: 141
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Re: Mehh
Ok, logs whatever.
http://pastebin.com/UeqMZxr2
The Entire REST of the conversations since then.
I may sound like a moron, and its long, and we fight like we are married, but once im provoked, i defend my ground. i even told you last night after "talking" to the rest of the universe, (if you consider that app, and asc, glad you didnt talk me out of this nap). btw, highly confused the entire time when i talk to kenny, because all round we talked to sun and lordn, and i told both many times we were with them til the end.
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16 Sep 2010, 00:39
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#134
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Round 1er
Join Date: May 2001
Location: PA, USA
Posts: 141
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by adjuhh
As mentioned before, why would ND want to hit Phant (and other NFI planets) when asc/app/osi/... were doing it for them. They were in a great position to cruise to planetwin with only app being able (but solo probably wouldn't succeed) to roid their topplanets.
And if ND had really wanted to drop the nap and fight for allywin, they should have done this weeks ago when the entire uni was at their side, wanting a piece of NFI.
So either ND now realised (too late) that they had a chance of winning the round, and they did talk to other allies about backstabbing you. Or, most likely, you NFI guys overreacted and misinterpreted some conversations someone from ND had, because you were looking for an excuse to drop the NAP. So you could start hitting the ND topplanets.
ps. Sorry Nolezy, that I thought it was you escorting Phant, while it was actually him escorting you
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This is how I see it. We didnt even ask for Phant to be hit, they just did it, APP said it was to drive a nail through us and NFI and it apparantly worked, and kenny fell for it. If we were going for ally win, i would of turned 2 weeks ago, not now. Running to app, enquiring, was solely due to you already talking about breaking the NAP.
And #1 fell, without us provoking, without us hitting, so there is no need to drop it, and I never said i'd drop it, i said SOMETHING would be done, that could be 5 different plans we had to getting Mythx to the top.
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16 Sep 2010, 00:39
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#135
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Eindhoven, Holland
Posts: 21
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by oil
Had some serious trouble getting through line three of most peoples posts. http://pastebin.com/Y7JM44Zx Did anyone contest the veracity of this log because it seems like a pretty good justification for NFI to break off a NAP that they previously said they wouldn't.
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If I read it right it was Phant deffing vs ND which cost them 600k value, and they want some justification in that matter.
Also I think it's very fair and cooperative to let your ally (who indeed gave you a very easy roundwin because they napped you instead of joining the block) know that you are aiming for #1 planet. They may even have noticed this to them earlier already also, we don't know that.
And to tell them that if anything stays the same, with the planet that deffed vs you at top, you might have to do something to keep your members happy > Well the opposition took care of that planet, so that wasn't a real worry anymore.
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16 Sep 2010, 00:43
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#136
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
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Re: Mehh
Ships (894,219 total) (Ship Analysis) [Hide]Wyvern 1,722 Dragon 1,016
Leviathan 240 Phantom 76,850
Spirit 350 Shadow 808
Illusion 8,463 Cutlass 749,809
Cutter 1,665 Marauder 17,159
Pirate 31,158 Ironclad 554
Recluse 2,423 Scorpion 1,185
Merchant 763 Broker 54
first one to pm me get my fleet! I dont mind who I attack as I dont really like some of those running nfi and I really dont like ND as a whole!
<3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
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16 Sep 2010, 00:46
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#137
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
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Re: Mehh
and the winner is...
[01:45:00] <[ND]DigitalZero> fleet!
ND!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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<JC`> i sent him a msg saying Wishmaster 0wns, so he recalled
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16 Sep 2010, 00:59
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#138
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Internet
Posts: 318
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Re: Mehh
That's too much text in the second log paste thing.
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16 Sep 2010, 01:08
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#139
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Class Clown
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 149
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Re: Mehh
Quote:
Originally Posted by adjuhh
Also I think it's very fair and cooperative to let your ally (who indeed gave you a very easy roundwin because they napped you instead of joining the block) know that you are aiming for #1 planet. They may even have noticed this to them earlier already also, we don't know that.
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...really? Really? We're really going to go to the 'We didn't know you wanted to have one of your members win!' argument? Come on now
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16 Sep 2010, 01:55
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#140
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Death666
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: London
Posts: 13
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Re: Mehh
Let the battle commence?
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16 Sep 2010, 02:13
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#141
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
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Re: Mehh
I AM THE MASTER OF WISHES!
eXcessum will be attacking NFI all weekend. eXpect crashing, as we will all be too drunk on our meet. Appoco, make sure we dont get closed for using same ip!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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16 Sep 2010, 02:16
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#142
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Internet
Posts: 318
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Re: Mehh
and DID I MENTION WE'LL BE DRINKING
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16 Sep 2010, 04:44
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#143
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 5
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Re: Mehh
After well over an hour of reading all this well orchestrated BS, all i can do is lmfao.
For many eons the Planetarion universe has been rife with war and destruction. Five dominant races fight side by side or kin against kin, galaxy against galaxy, planet against planet in the ever growing struggle for dominance. Alliances clash with one another, and the valuable resource asteroids are stolen and reclaimed. It is your task to join this chaotic system, and survive. (Game description c/p'd from Planetarion home page)
LMAO! ...note to game admins ... I think you need to add a bit on there so it reads "It is your task to join this chaotic system, and survive by any means necessary, even if this means whining to all the other alliances to try and get them to hit your enemies."
If i was a pilot at any of your planets right now i'd quit my job.
At one point the pilots of your planets were fighting for their planet and the friends they made across the stars. To rid the universe of evil.
But now... They are sent off on missions to fight someone elses battles which they need not get involved in.
I really do feel for their children, and their childrens children. For they can no longer hold their heads up high, they no longer have a role model to grow up in to. All they have to look forward to in their pitifully short lives (approx 1 and a half months) is to go off and fight over planets many galaxies away because that planet is supposedly better.
Well, if thats the role model that they are meant to live by, i hope for your own sake they don't find a way out of your computer screen and into your home. Because well, who knows, between all the time you spend bitching you might have a nice house. And well... If someone has something better than you at the end of a pretedermined period of time, well, thats just not called for is it. THEY MUST DESTORY IT!
No idea just what half of this said btw, remind me when i wake up and sober up please.
<3 to all the pilots out there who are going to waste their lives fighting in what seems to be a war even though no-one seems to want to admit it's a war, war.
Oh, and gl to who ever wins. <-- think thats what i aimed to say before the last hour of trying to write all this without spilling my drink down myself again and without having any spelling mistakes so all you incompetent people out there who can't read without proper grammer visable.
FFS, STOPPING WRITING NOW.
Btw, wake me in the morning please someone. MUCH LOVES XXXXX
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16 Sep 2010, 04:48
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#144
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The brother of Spammer
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Paisley - Scotland
Posts: 2,352
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Re: Mehh
You must have been out of your tree when you wrote this twig :P
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16 Sep 2010, 05:54
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#145
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Ultimate PA n00b
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 19
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Re: Mehh
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaNzI
I suggest you do to NFI what was done to ND last round.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaNzI
I suggest you do to ND what was done to them last round.
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Hard to decide where to go HaNsI?
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16 Sep 2010, 06:01
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#146
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Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
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Re: Mehh
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Originally Posted by twig
<3 to all the pilots out there who are going to waste their lives fighting in what seems to be a war even though no-one seems to want to admit it's a war, war.
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Of course everyone knows its war; this is far more important than that, these arguments will decide in posterity not who wins, but who was right; history may be written by the victor in most circumstances, but when it comes to PA its usually written by Ascendancy on the wiki!
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16 Sep 2010, 06:31
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Save energy: Be apathetic
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 228
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Re: Mehh
I'm not saying that we might crash on phant just to **** up his score, but maybe NFI should be ready to run its ships.
Just because this round has been utterly boring.
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Last edited by ricoshay; 16 Sep 2010 at 06:39.
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16 Sep 2010, 07:46
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#148
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Up The Hatters!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kenilworth Road
Posts: 3,012
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Re: Mehh
So you cancel a nap 8 days before the round is over.
Yes, this is the most gutsy move I have ever seen from an alliance that is 20million points ahead of the competion.
Kenny, the french called and wants their courage back.
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16 Sep 2010, 08:30
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#149
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wtf?
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 59
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Re: Mehh
kindergarten kindergarten ohlala kindergarten
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16 Sep 2010, 10:37
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#150
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Hibernating
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Team Kesha
Posts: 1,621
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Re: Mehh
Quote:
Originally Posted by unimatrix
omg the nfi propaganda machine at its finest
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a) I'm not in NFI
b) I don't care about NFI or ND
c) I see our (ODDR) incoming every day and tons of it have been ND (alot more than NFI), going for easy roids while not recieving incs themself all round long.
d) Got those logs (the ones Dark-Strider posted) from multiple people.
e) I hope NFI and ND actually fight instead of grounding fleets caus they might get incs...
But yeh, I'm the NFI propaganda machine
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