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Unread 2 Jul 2012, 19:08   #151
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Re: Beta r47

specs not being cloaked its the stupidest thing i have seen in shipstats for some time. corsairs firing after pods turned out to be awful as well.
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Re: Beta r47

I like the specs thing, means xans actually have to plan ahead. Ya know, use some form of cleverness and have enough pods to fake them.
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Unread 2 Jul 2012, 19:33   #153
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Re: Beta r47

why not just make all races a big mix of all the different ship types?

oh yeah, cos everyone moans about how ETD should never have been brought in. keep the races what they are supposed to be or scrap them all together.
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Re: Beta r47

corsairs are terrible yeah, who would build them :\
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Re: Beta r47

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corsairs are terrible yeah, who would build them :\
Corsairs are awesome for faking, swapping init for eff.

I built them! (until i crashed my Fi on ND (OH THE IRONY))
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Unread 2 Jul 2012, 19:59   #156
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Re: Beta r47

And strangely enough, Mikee podded someone that had built corsair. Was one of the funniest breps I've seen this round.

Not saying that corsair are OMGWTFBBQ awesome or anything - but they do have their spots.
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Unread 3 Jul 2012, 19:15   #157
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Re: Beta r47

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And strangely enough, Mikee podded someone that had built corsair. Was one of the funniest breps I've seen this round.

Not saying that corsair are OMGWTFBBQ awesome or anything - but they do have their spots.


What happened with that attack?? Did mikee gain roids as his pods int before the corsair???
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Unread 3 Jul 2012, 19:20   #158
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What happened with that attack?? Did mikee gain roids as his pods int before the corsair???
Yeah, pods stole then were lost. Fleet was back home the next tick ready to go out again!
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Unread 3 Jul 2012, 22:06   #159
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Re: Beta r47

So corsair was shit then
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Re: Beta r47

Depends on how you look at it, but I never said they weren't junk.

For people trying to pod noobs, it could be useful because they can launch more fleets if they cap then get stolen for instance. Same for exp whores that could cap roids then lose a good bit of their fleet keeping their value low. It all depends on your strategy!

They also 0 loss steal Xan frig, but since that fleet in itself wasn't all that great and not widely used, it diminished the usefulness of Corsair as well.
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Yeah, pods stole then were lost. Fleet was back home the next tick ready to go out again!
That is awesome.
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Re: Beta r47

Changes I'd make, if we were ever using these again:

Change Wyvern init 10->8
Add Spirit t2 Fi, remove Ghost t2
Remove t3 from Pirate.
Reduce Buccaneer's damage, stealing Cat Co for free is strong enough as is, valuestealing them is just dumb.
Change Guardian to Cr/Fr OR change init 3->2
Increase Etd Bs cost/effs (by ~50%) to equalize Ter/Etd Bs


And then only Ter should need a small buff, like Gryphon t2 or efficiency tweaks.

Oh, and change Vshraak costs 440/440/470 -> 440/470/440 (hi Zaejii)
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if we were ever using these again
Funny.
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Oh, and change Vshraak costs 440/440/470 -> 440/470/440 (hi Zaejii)
Yeah, I caught that in the first week. Was a miss from when Vsh was changed from Steal to EMP. Not sure how the values ended up not being +20% on the high one (should have been 440/528/440).

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Funny.
Which is why I was trying to solicit useful feedback on things people especially liked about the stats and things they hated. We all know that the odds of reuse are very slim (non-existent), but maybe some aspects could be included in a newly created set (by me or someone else).
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Unread 22 Jul 2012, 06:25   #165
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Re: Beta r47

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corsairs are terrible yeah, who would build them :\
I built them for 2 reasons;

1) Fake attack, capping a few xan/ter pods is easy but you need corsair to fill the fake fleet:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...x4us0hhpjdpsem
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...yxu5o4itzrjf6i

The corsair will cap widow + thief at a very nice value gain if these fakes work, they worked twice for me which is good enough. I should add that these fakes kept being good until the very end, tho as soon as you get enough ter fi you can leave out corsairs.

2) Prevent getting hit by Fr real or fake. Buccaneer was an awful anti Fr ship, granted Fr attack fleets were very weak, and xan cant fake with Fr. But zik can fake with Fr, and a thief based fleet can roid ziks that rely on buc for free or cheap, I never launched on any zik with over 20k corsair:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...tygxlzjhly0n3m
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...dac8ed22g5zp6z

That last brep would have been more impressive if B-Butch3r didnt crash his cath Cr on this guy the wave before.... The roaches are B-Butch3rs and they ruin my cap. This is what he landed 1 tick previously http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...ksd6vbx51wub6l

So I think they served a purpose, although not straightforward, and of course it shouldnt be your only anti Fr
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