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Unread 7 Apr 2005, 13:24   #51
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Whilst it is true that intelligence =! knowledge, you made it explicit in your question that you were talking about general trends rather than hard and fast laws. In my experience, it is a perfectly evidenced trend that more intelligent people will tend to know more, and are more likely to be able to infer the meaning of something (such as the 2nd question) from information they already have, if they haven't been explicitly told the "answer".

Obviously there are some cases where this doesn't apply; the classic example of the idiot savante, but genetic disorders and other similar things tend to exaggerate the number of outliers (such as dwarfism or giantism when you're looking at a distribution of heights), and are in such comparatively small numbers that they can be safely ignored.
I agree with your point, but Dace's third question stated that a person "IS stupid" if the first two question could not be answered. A person MIGHT be stupid, or even is MORE LIABLE to be stupid, if the questions could not be answered, as you pointed out.

heh... I should've become a lawyer.
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I agree with your point, but Dace's third question stated that a person "IS stupid" if the first two question could not be answered. A person MIGHT be stupid, or even is MORE LIABLE to be stupid, if the questions could not be answered, as you pointed out.
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You really shouldn't have been a lawyer.
I was testing you...

But everyone is liable to be stupid, whether one can answer the questions or not. Someone who can not answer the questions is MORE liable to be stupid.
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Whilst it is true that intelligence =! knowledge, you made it explicit in your question that you were talking about general trends rather than hard and fast laws. In my experience, it is a perfectly evidenced trend that more intelligent people will tend to know more, and are more likely to be able to infer the meaning of something (such as the 2nd question) from information they already have, if they haven't been explicitly told the "answer".

Obviously there are some cases where this doesn't apply; the classic example of the idiot savante, but genetic disorders and other similar things tend to exaggerate the number of outliers (such as dwarfism or giantism when you're looking at a distribution of heights), and are in such comparatively small numbers that they can be safely ignored.
Welcome to the post-19th century era, you should read some works by Franz Boaz.

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Welcome to the post-19th century era, you should read some works by Franz Boaz.
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Unread 7 Apr 2005, 14:49   #59
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I didn't see Dace saying anywhere this only applied to english people.
read his posts. I'm pretty sure he has one person in mind.
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What the hell are you talking about?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=franz+boas

Intelligence is a racial thing, it started as such, it is such, it will always be such. Most people are entirely ignorant of the origins of ideas on intelligence in the contemporary world and take it entirey for granted. Academics in the social sciences, know better. Read up.
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Okay, nevermind. Maybe I am wrong, maybe intelligence is real. Maybe people do vary in ‘intellectual’ powers. And as such, morons, idiots, dumb****s pervade throughout the world. No it could have nothing to do with personal bias and prejudice, I see that now. People who don’t see it the ‘smart’ way are terrible deviants, who lack the ability to stimulate any kind of activity in their neocortex. Head deformities, skull sizes may actually lead to insight into who is an idiot and who is not. Educational opportunities, life’s expediencies, and cultural background have nothing to do with anything. Of course now I see it. Right right. Okay.
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Cultural background != racial background

I thought I'd point that out.
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Okay, nevermind. Maybe I am wrong, maybe intelligence is real. Maybe people do vary in ‘intellectual’ powers. And as such, morons, idiots, dumb****s pervade throughout the world. No it could have nothing to do with personal bias and prejudice, I see that now. People who don’t see it the ‘smart’ way are terrible deviants, who lack the ability to stimulate any kind of activity in their neocortex. Head deformities, skull sizes may actually lead to insight into who is an idiot and who is not. Educational opportunities, life’s expediencies, and cultural background have nothing to do with anything. Of course now I see it. Right right. Okay.
When I was 6, I went to The Chorister School in Durham. In my first year, I wasn't particularly better than the rest of my class at any given subject. However, by the age of 13, I was an absurd distance ahead of them in Mathematical ability. I was taught by the same teachers, I did the same tests, and almost certainly less work. I wasn't doing anything in my spare time which I would consider to be particularly mathetically orientated, unless Super Mario Brothers 3 has undiscovered powers. It's fairly clear that there was some kind of basic difference between me and the rest of my class, and similarly for every other individual.

Whilst I admit that this is an imperfect experiment at the best of times, studies into intelligence (in particular) are ****ing difficult to make at the best of times. However, the point remains that there is an overwhealming amount of circumstantial evidence for different levels of intellect as either a random variation in growth that took place in the brain early in life or something directed upon a genetic level.

I consider it a truism to say that "intelligence" must have some sort of genetic cause. The varying levels of base "interaction" that different species posess must imply something to that end, unless we want to wander down a path of "souls" and such, which I don't think we shall be doing.

Now, I am not saying (and, if you check my posting record on this kind of thing, have never said, in fact outright opposed) the notion of one sort of quantatative measure of "intellect" in the vein of an IQ test. I admit that, if you read an enormous amount into my talk of outliers and distributions, I may be talking about some sort of scale using just the one number. I am, however, not. I don't know of any evidence that "intelligence" is in any way quantatative, but I would suggest that it remains plausable that what we know of "intelligence" can be broken down into several different areas of related abilities, and that qualitative statements may be made about an individual's relative ability in this (of course, we still have the problem of "people", and life in general, being imperfect tests subjects due to variation in the performances of individuals due to an outrageous number of factors, but that's a problem for making experiments rather than a theoretical one per se) so we can get some kind of distribution for relative abilities in each. Of course, with quite so many theoretical test subjects, it's possible we can group results into discrete sectors, and get a qualitiative approximation that way, but that's an irrelevence at this stage.

Now, the main problem with me describing such a situation in my post about outliers and probability (not that what I said was mutually exclusive with this view, far from it) is that I would be describing a probability cloud in at least 5 dimensions and people would probably get confused.

I have, however, seen little evidence to suggest that measured tendencies for abilities in this area is related in any way to prejudice or cultural bias or whatever. Judging people as "stupid" because they get a low score in a given test isn't a view I'd subscribe to, or have implied, but it goes against an immense amount of observed evidence to suggest that varying abilities are merely cultural in basis.

I do like your next strawman, about seeing people as "inferior". Having said that, this may not actually be a strawman because you're just making things up, rather than deliberately misinterpreting views. I don't see anything that's per se better about people with "higher intelligence", other than "better" performance at various kinds of tests. Yes, I would prefer it if people had a higher level of intellect, but then I'd prefer it if people didn't smoke, and I don't go around calling smokers stupid.

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Wow! What an argument! First you compare my rather conservative comments to phrenology and similar quackery, then you suggest that I said that people who don't know where venezuela is are stupid, ignoring the implicit limitations of Dace's question, and given that we are working with an extremely biased sample! Wowee!
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

OMG, I am dumb. Thank your pointing that out! I had no idea, but if you thought I read all that, think again. I'm way too dumb after all. Is there a remedy?
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OMG, I am dumb. Thank your pointing that out! I had no idea, but if you thought I read all that, think again. I'm way too dumb after all. Is there a remedy?
Shut the badger-felching **** up you deranged individual.
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Yes, Yes and Probably.
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

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Yes

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I think so
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Yes yeS
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You went and confused Giles and that's just not on.
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I miss giles
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He's stopped finding any sort of appeal in this kind of argument is the problem.

Plus he doesn't like football.
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yes
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no

The first 1 is only yes because I know how to read maps, and have done so plentifully
I'm afraid I don't know a lot of English sayings, this is primarily because I'm a Dutchy. If the saying has any bearing on the Catholic religion, I'm not religious either.

As for the third question, Anyone who cannot find Venezuala on a globe/world map most certainly falls into the category 'dumb' I mean, those large letters across that piece of land are there for a reason, I answered no because, while card reading is a basic skill taught to you in basic and high school, however knowledge of sayings is simply something not everyone has, especially if those people are non-English they have a large chance of not knowing a particular English saying, not to mention most sayings require substantial knowledge of at least English to get close to figuring them out.
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He's stopped finding any sort of appeal in this kind of argument is the problem.

Plus he doesn't like football.
He could just do what I do and post pointless one-liners all over the place. Although I would admit that it does somewhat sap the soul of it's effervescence to see the same argument over and over an.......
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OK a chance to increase your post count by a further one post.

Again just a simple "yes" or "no" answer will suffice.

- Do you think somebody who doesn't know the answer to those questions is stupid (or is liable to be so)?
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Yes.



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Yes, yes, yes.
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you'll never guess what

dace is ugly





.ok so you did
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OMG, I am dumb.

Don't feel too bad about not knowing where Venezuela is dude.
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so who are you trying to prove a point to mr dace?
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

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No

Time to google the Bear thing (I'm scared )
Postcount++;

Edit: Well that wasn't bad, I was assuming it would be some weird sexual relations with a bear or something (Hey, I'm canadian, I don't know your slang )
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so who are you trying to prove a point to mr dace?

Not trying to prove a point to anyone, i just wanted the info for my own personal "use".
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Don't feel too bad about not knowing where Venezuela is dude.
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*whispers* i think everyone else was too *whispers*
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

The Venezuala question is pretty much pure knowledge. You'll either know it or not. I'm surprised that some people don't know things like that, but I guess it doesn't interest them.

The latter question could easily be guessed by someone who is even vaguely familiar with Christian culture.
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

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You should have more faith in the education system Yahwe
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I knew where it was about generally. I was probably off by just a few hundred miles. I know where Peru and Argentina are. :| I know where the Andes are. Do you? Do all of you? EH? How about Thebes? Corinth? Attica? Java? New Caledonia? I knew were all of those were. Well Java kind of. :/
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Yes to all of those. If you want to catch me out ask me about computers
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no no no
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Yes

I also know what the capital of Venezuela is!
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Re: A chance to increase your post count by one

i know the answer to all of these... 11 years ago i may have struggled
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Yes and yes!
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[s]Yes, yes.[/s]

edit: nvm, apparently i answered this in 2005. ><
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