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Unread 11 Dec 2003, 16:23   #1
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
The liberal, human-rights++ part of me wants to say yes.

The liberal, human-rights++ part of me accounts for about 0.5% of my thinking.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
I think the real question is whether reactionary retards should be allowed to have children.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
as in have sex with someone of the opposite sex that leads to pregnancy and then bring up the child with that person = yes

as in any other form of having children = no

you choose to bonk someone of your own sex then you have decided for yourself not to have children
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
adoption?

I don't see why not.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
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I think the real question is whether reactionary retards should be allowed to have children.

i think no retards at all should be allowed to have children
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
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adoption?

I don't see why not.

what about the young couple who cant have children because she was in a car accident and lost her womb
there arent many children out there to adopt, why should the gay people bring them up?
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
Blacks shouldn't be allowed to have children as they live in a different culture and society to us and their strange ways might disrupt children which is reflected in the rates of comparative ethnic crime in the USA and Britain.


Jews neither because they have a history of usury and cheating.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
i think they should be allowed to adopt readily, there are a lot of children who could use homes, and theres nothing to suggest a gay home is any worse than a straight one to me
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
What madi said.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
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i think they should be allowed to adopt readily, there are a lot of children who could use homes, and theres nothing to suggest a gay home is any worse than a straight one to me
Because there's oh so much evidence pertaining to a gay couple bringing a child up from near birth
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
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you choose to bonk someone of your own sex then you have decided for yourself not to have children
What if you have children with a woman, the partner then dies (or you are granted full-custody) and you then have a gay relationship?

Should the state take away your children?
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Because there's oh so much evidence pertaining to a gay couple bringing a child up from near birth
Considering some of the remarkable products of normal homes such as Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Mussolini and Mugabe, and considering the fact that I seriously cannot see those individuals living with gay parents I'm going to go with "oh what a fantastic reason, double plus good points to you on the discussion sir!"
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
ITT everyone adopts Insane Bartender's previous argument on this subject.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
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What if you have children with a woman, the partner then dies (or you are granted full-custody) and you then have a gay relationship?

Should the state take away your children?

The state should take away everyone's children. Children are a bourgeoise luxury.



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Considering some of the remarkable products of normal homes such as Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Mussolini and Mugabe, and considering the fact that I seriously cannot see those individuals living with gay parents I'm going to go with "oh what a fantastic reason, double plus good points to you on the discussion sir!"
Last I heard Einstein, Newton and Hawking were brought up in fairly normal families.

This isn't what i was aiming at dammit, get out of my words.
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Because there's oh so much evidence pertaining to a gay couple bringing a child up from near birth
why is the burden of proof on homosexuals?
why do you presume that they wont rear children properly?
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What if you have children with a woman, the partner then dies (or you are granted full-custody) and you then have a gay relationship?

Should the state take away your children?
nope
neither should they if you are say a gay godparent/sibling etc
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
it's a badly asked question. Anyone capable of having children is allowed to have children - end.
So while the natural outcome of a gay relationship is childlessness, if they find the means to obtain a child by other methods, that's their choice.

While a gay couple might not be the perfect arrangement for raising a child, a stable home with caring "gay parents" sure beats what thousands of kids with biological scumbags for parents have to put up with.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
Ok, lets pretend I'm a 13 year old boy and my school mates found out that my parents are actually a gay couple. Can you say _bully_? Such a kid could never have a normal youth.
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Badger. I dunno, the right-wing one. His argument was fags couldnt' bring up children because other people would take the piss out of them or something.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
Could you imagine growing up as a child of two gay parents? Could you imagine the stick you would take at school? And, clearly children do take on the mannerisms of their parents, we'd be making way for a whole new generation of mincers.

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Ginger people shouldn't be allowed to adopt. Asians shouldn't be allowed to have kids in racist areas. Etc.
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Ok, lets pretend I'm a 13 year old boy and my school mates found out that my parents are actually a gay couple. Can you say _bully_? Such a kid could never have a normal youth.
So is prejudice a reason to discriminate? Does that not just reinforce ignorant behaviour?

And in all honestly, think back to grade school: Bullies did not need a reason to be bullies. They did not pick on people for any other reason then that they seemed to be a reasonable target. The gender of their parents was not necessay, it the pretext could just as easily have been the colour of their shoes.
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Ok, lets pretend I'm a 13 year old boy and my school mates found out that my parents are actually a gay couple. Can you say _bully_? Such a kid could never have a normal youth.
Depends. A child in California might be thought of as weird if he didn't have gay parents. And the stigma over having adopted parents is probably worse.
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Last I heard Einstein, Newton and Hawking were brought up in fairly normal families.

This isn't what i was aiming at dammit, get out of my words.

Newton also used prostitutes and was imprisoned for a brief period of time. Seeing as we've already established cripples can't have children either that sort of leaves Hawking out of the picture (hay even better, let's kill them all at birth). And we're finally left with Einstein, who helped invent the atomic bomb which resulted in the deaths of millions and unleashed a half a century of fear and hatred upon the planet.


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PS We should also ban gay people from living. My notion that it's not normal is far more important than their freedom to have consensual sex with whoever they wish. Anyways homosexuality is just a bourgeoise convention and has never been associated with intelligence or ability (bar the whole of ancient greece, leonardo da vinci, alexander the great, sappho, julius caesar, hadrian, richard lionheart, Francis Bacon, Fredrick the Great, Hans Christian Andersen, Tchaikovsky, Wilde, Proust and Keynes). Yeah........
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what about the young couple who cant have children because she was in a car accident and lost her womb
there arent many children out there to adopt, why should the gay people bring them up?
I thought there are plenty of children out there to adopt.
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
By the way, whoever said there are not enough children out there to adopt are dead wrong. What is lacking is pefect little 6 month to 18 month old infants to adopt.

There is what is referred to as an 'adoption window' for children, I think it is age 6 months to 18 months, or thereabouts. Once you are older than that adoptive parents stop looking at you, and your odds of adoption drop enormously. Everyone wants to adopt their own version of a little agnel, so many children simply get passed over. In fact there are a vast number more children who need adoption then there are homes for them.

I assume a homosexual couple would be forced, as with a heterosexual couple, to prove that they had the stability, finances and home life required to properly raise a child. If they met those criteria, then why on earth would we not let them?

Far too many decisions like this are taken n the basis of : "I dont like homosexuality, therefore they must have their rights curtailed." Which is, of course, absurd.

Here is a secret. The concept of homosexual sex among men I find quite personally distasteful. (Among women of course it is a beautiful thing that needs to be encouraged and if possible, filmed.) However my personal taste does not stop me from recognising they they have the right to do what they will as consenting adults, and as humans and citizens of a country which esposes equality and 'inalienable rights' must be treated as equals under the law.
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Go and read this, it's exactly what having gay dads would be like. Probably.

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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
I believe that homosexual parents have a different influence on a child compared to heterosexual parents.

We are not all like, so why should laws apply the same way for everyone?

I mean, just take this small community. Noone is threated equally and fair.
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I believe that homosexual parents have a different influence on a child compared to heterosexual parents.

We are not all like, so why should laws apply the same way for everyone?

I mean, just take this small community. Noone is threated equally and fair.
Because all heterosexual parents are even vaguely alike? What the hell?
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
I believe that black/asian/poor/short/uneducated/rural/fat parents have a different influence on a child compared to white/rich/tall/educated/urban/thin parents.

We are not all like, so why should laws apply the same way for everyone?
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I believe that black/asian/poor/short/uneducated/rural/fat parents have a different influence on a child compared to white/rich/tall/educated/urban/thin parents.

We are not all like, so why should laws apply the same way for everyone?
I'm white, rich, tall, educated, urban and thin! I'd make a ****ing horrible father though heh.
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I searched maddox in hopes of finding a bases for an argument, but nothing really.

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and the fact he hates Ellen (who doesn't) is all I got.


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Fat people should not be allowed to have children, or indeed go near them.
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What if it's glandular?
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Re: Should gay people be allowed to have children?
Should gay people be allowed to have children?

What does it matter whether they're allowed to or not? Any child raised by a gay couple will probably commit suicide during their teenage years due to the unbelievable amount of abuse they will undoubtedly receive
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Should gay people be allowed to have children?

What does it matter whether they're allowed to or not? Any child raised by a gay couple will probably commit suicide during their teenage years due to the unbelievable amount of abuse they will undoubtedly receive

That's right! And all Jews should be banned from procreating as they'll recieve abuse! And blacks! And fat children! And please read the thread to check if your point has already been covered.
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What if it's glandular?
It doesn't matter. You don't end up looking like the Stay-Puft man if you're living a wholesome and fullfilling existance.

If it's glandular, then they've probably sinned against god.
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It doesn't matter. You don't end up looking like the Stay-Puft man if you're living a wholesome and fullfilling existance.

If it's glandular, then they've probably sinned against god.
I hear they've directly related fatness to being evil. Which is why Hitler and Himmler were so fat. No wait. Maybe thin people are evil then! But what about Goring?



Oh wait, maybe massive ungrounded generalisations aren't a good way to decide the law!



Or maybe that's just bolshy talk!
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That's right! And all Jews should be banned from procreating as they'll recieve abuse! And blacks! And fat children! And please read the thread to check if your point has already been covered.
Why is 'Society is a prejudiced piece of shit, so we should keep on encouraging it to be a prejudiced piece of shit.' given as an argument, do you suppose?




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Why is 'Society is a prejudiced piece of shit, so we should keep on encouraging it to be a prejudiced piece of shit' given as an argument, do you suppose?




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