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14 Apr 2005, 21:19
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[Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
http://sport.independent.co.uk/footb...p?story=629132
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The ban had little impact on the hardcore "Ultras" as, later in the same season, the San Siro was shut for two Serie A games after fans threw a motor scooter from the second tier in a league match against Atalanta.
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How does that go past a bloody turnstile let alone someone who checks the tickets?
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14 Apr 2005, 21:25
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
You appear to be missing the fact that the clubs deliberately don't piss off the Ultras. Better them on the inside pissing out rather than out pissing in.
There's no pressure on them by any authority to change things, so annoying the ultras will cause the bigger loss.
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14 Apr 2005, 21:35
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
The clubs panda to the ultras, they meet with them regularly, give them free tickets, ensure they get to stand in their part of the ground and go as far as giving them rooms inside the stadium to store banners and God only knows what else.
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14 Apr 2005, 21:37
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
I remember reading about this before, they allegedly took it to pieces and made it up again once in the stadium, but quite how they were sneaking engines and wheels in, I don't know.
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14 Apr 2005, 23:07
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
There is only one real group of Ultra's
FC Twente Ultras '65!
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14 Apr 2005, 23:18
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
theam is obviously a filthy dutchy ultra and should therefore meet his demise at the hands of the filthy milwall ultras, or something to that effect
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14 Apr 2005, 23:43
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Miles Teg
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
well 'usually' i am 'occupied' with 'another sport' on fridays and sundays, that's why i do not have a season ticket for twente, but the matches that i go to i try to get into or right next to the ultras.
FORZA TWENTE
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14 Apr 2005, 23:50
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
If only we gave hooligans free tickets. Free tickets to jail.
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15 Apr 2005, 14:54
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
Why not just let Italy and their clubs decide how they want to play their matches? If they don't want to fix things, why should "we" be outraged or angry?
And, like all social problems, this goes much deeper then just the hooliganism. It would be much better to attack the issues that creates atmospheres like this, and remove them, then just jailing the hooligans or excluding them. Hooligans outside the matches can also create much bigger problems then hooligans inside matches.
Also, Italian football is very influenced by left-right clashes. When two antifascist teams play, there is often little violence. Beating up fascists is not something I consider to be bad, no matter the time or place.
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15 Apr 2005, 16:55
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
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Inter Milan have been fined £132,000 by Uefa and must play their next four European games behind closed doors after crowd trouble against AC Milan.
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Edit: Although my Sky Sports Alerter said 6 matches.
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15 Apr 2005, 16:59
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
two are suspended for the next three years.
IMO they've got fook all.
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15 Apr 2005, 17:01
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
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This is the largest fine in Uefa's history. It is a hefty punishment.
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Woah! They might have to go without tomato ketchup in the burgar stands for a few weeks now.
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15 Apr 2005, 17:02
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
Well 8 million euros is a fair bit of money, but yes, it's **** all.
It's still harsher than I expected.
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15 Apr 2005, 17:09
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
It's definite for 4 matches, then would seem to be some kind of suspended sentence for the other 2.
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15 Apr 2005, 17:28
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
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Well 8 million euros is a fair bit of money, but yes, it's **** all.
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It's not even that. The figure "eight million euroes" seems to be based on Inter getting a full San Siro for the 3rd round and group stage, which never happens. Not even close.
I doubt they'll even lose £2m over this, which is, what? 3 weeks of the wage bill?
UEFA had a chance to force change in Italian football, but it's just the same as that time a fan was killed by a firework fired from the other end of the stadium. Plenty of words, from the football hierarchy and the italian government, but nothing happened. Just like nothing ever happens when UEFA, or FIFA, or the FA's make a threat towards the clubs, or the national teams.
Unless they're English, of course.
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15 Apr 2005, 17:51
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
Apparently the clubs cant ban people from the ground or deny them entry, because the stadiums are owned by the state hence they need a court order to do so. They also cant use private security for similar reasons. Socialism wins again.
Imo all Italian clubs should be banned from european club competitions until they sort out their infrastructure problems, including a requirement that every club should own its own stadium and have a proper security team. It'll never happen though obviously.
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15 Apr 2005, 18:01
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
i was in waterstones last night and there were two shelves full of hooligan books - it suprised me
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15 Apr 2005, 18:03
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
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Did you mishear "See you in Wetherspoons"?
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15 Apr 2005, 18:14
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Re: [Football]I can't understand Italy's security checks in football matches....
Portsmouth's "Rolling With the 657 crew" was in the top 10 bestsellers when it came out i believe.
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