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Apothos · 7 Apr 2003, 10:40

Reckon they'll get it in service, or just an expensive experiment?

Mong · 7 Apr 2003, 10:48

Certain NATO countries (notably the UK) have proven they can detect the F117 if they're expecting it in the area.

Anyway, the Eurofighter Typhoon has good "stealth". Although it's now approaching a decade overdue, and double the budget.

Buy British? Pffft. Could have had bought the F/A-18 or F-16, it would have been in service years ago, and would have cost a lot less.

The Tornado F-3 is now too old and is outperformed by the Mig-29 in most ways.

M.

Zword · 7 Apr 2003, 10:49

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Originally posted by Apothos
Reckon they'll get it in service, or just an expensive experiment?

expensive experiment...........but they will try it out i guess. And then say that it's crapy and that they have no use for it

. The b*tches using all our tax money.

ow well not my tax money i'm dutch

so goooooooo english goverment and make loads of crapy steatlh plains

Zword · 7 Apr 2003, 10:51

just seen the picture........it look freakin cool tho

nice dising

CrashTester · 7 Apr 2003, 10:52

There was supposed to be a picture of it, but I couldnt see it.

Damn its good.

Apothos · 7 Apr 2003, 10:57

I thought it was nice to see that we're atleast trying to do something like it on our own, and i hope something comes from it.

Luckeh!!!! · 7 Apr 2003, 11:26

Bah.... expensive experiment, why waste the money when they could give it to me FS :/

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 12:21

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Originally posted by Mong
Certain NATO countries (notably the UK) have proven they can detect the F117 if they're expecting it in the area.

yeap, I believe the UK tracked a B2 at an airshow once... much to the disgust of the americans, who complained... heh.

Cynical Oracle · 7 Apr 2003, 12:23

Apperantly, they look for a void rather than mass when scouting for 'stealth' veichles.

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 12:29

err... but the sky is pretty much all a void.

the trick is to look at something with the radar signiature of a budgie (as some of the radar does get reflected, but well below the threshold that you expect), that is travelling at a few hundred miles an hour.

sayonara · 7 Apr 2003, 12:32

Ooooh, it comes with an attractive display stand.

Apothos · 7 Apr 2003, 12:36

It's pic looks better upside-down and enlarged.

Slidey · 7 Apr 2003, 12:40

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Originally posted by Cynical Oracle
Apperantly, they look for a void rather than mass when scouting for 'stealth' veichles.

i think the theory isnt far off that for submarines..

you look for something that isnt there eg. no background radiation..

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by Apothos
It's pic looks better upside-down and enlarged.

but then you get that creepy feeling that you are stood on your head and about to fall into an infinite abyss of nothingness

Cynical Oracle · 7 Apr 2003, 12:54

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Originally posted by Slidey
i think the theory isnt far off that for submarines..

you look for something that isnt there eg. no background radiation..

Altho submarines are found with Sonar, I believe that it's safe to make this assumption. A 'void' moving at 1k+ speeds..

Apothos · 7 Apr 2003, 12:56

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Replica was never designed to fly, but it incorporated a lot of features of a real stealth aircraft, including an internal weapons bay. Much of the airframe was made of carbon-fibre composite tiles, unlike the aluminium in most aircraft.

Boo! :(

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 13:05

looking for a void in the sky with radar is like looking for water in the sea.

Cynical Oracle · 7 Apr 2003, 13:15

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
looking for a void in the sky with radar is like looking for water in the sea.

Hence the ' '. More of a lack of nothing, than a lack of something.

Ste · 7 Apr 2003, 13:17

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Originally posted by Apothos
Boo!

ooh, i'm a member of the IEE... now where did I put my password to the webbie...

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 13:17

that isn't how it works, you just look for a very small amount of radiowaves being bounced back. the thing is, the threshold on detection is always set far higher than this as you get loads of noise and clutter, so you only look for it if you know it is going to be there.

Cynical Oracle · 7 Apr 2003, 13:21

Afaik, Radar are using radar waves?

Apothos · 7 Apr 2003, 13:23

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Originally posted by Ste
ooh, i'm a member of the IEE... now where did I put my password to the webbie...

Uhm... you dont need to log-in to view the story.

Mushroom · 7 Apr 2003, 13:43

i have a piece of the F117 that was shot down over Serbia during the Kosovo bombings

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 13:59

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Originally posted by Mushroom
i have a piece of the F117 that was shot down over Serbia during the Kosovo bombings

how on earth did you manage that? how much was it? It's not like bits of the berlin wall is it? say a lump of carbon fibre or something...

Mushroom · 7 Apr 2003, 14:03

a small piece of whatever the wing casing is made of.
Still worth having imo!
We have 'connections' over there

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 14:05

can you get hold of Radovan Karadzic for me? I think it would be ace to turn up at the local police station with him trussed up in the boot.

Mushroom · 7 Apr 2003, 14:08

not that sort of connections

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 15:13

also a correctly configured mobile phone networc can detect them, and even image them, tell you how fast they are going and so on....

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 15:36

yeap, really. basically the mobile phone network is a dense array of transmitters and detectors. you take the data and you can detect stuff... It is called the Roke Manor system (British Idea

)

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N63/Stealth.63f.html

Nusselt · 7 Apr 2003, 16:19

i dont care about stealth. I think 'coolness' matters more

Radical Edward · 7 Apr 2003, 16:32

ace. I want one.

Judge · 7 Apr 2003, 17:40

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Originally posted by Ste
ooh, i'm a member of the IEE... now where did I put my password to the webbie...

Yes me too, and have been for 10 years.

With a bit of luck I will get Chartered Engineer status next year.

Or was that a sarcastic reply?

ps Luck = Damn Hard work btw

Mushroom · 7 Apr 2003, 18:31

that thinks there's an uncanny resemblance between the Su-47 and the Korean Black Eagles off RA2?

cnaw · 8 Apr 2003, 01:06

Personaly i prefer boeing's Bird of Prey , and the fact that has flown is nice as well ;-)

Lord Zor · 8 Apr 2003, 02:42

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
yeap, I believe the UK tracked a B2 at an airshow once... much to the disgust of the americans, who complained... heh.

that's just stupid....all aircraft have to be on radar during an airshow. the B2 has a device onboard that allows it to be seen on radar, how do you think they refuel =P if they didn't have that its like finding a flake of skin in a the floor

Gayle29uk · 8 Apr 2003, 03:08

The Aussies developed a way of using weather radar systems to detect the 'wake' of a stealth aircraft. Apparently the US was a touch miffed

Judge · 8 Apr 2003, 04:47

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Originally posted by Gayle29uk
The Aussies developed a way of using weather radar systems to detect the 'wake' of a stealth aircraft. Apparently the US was a touch miffed

It doesn't take a lot to get the US "miffed"

Radical Edward · 8 Apr 2003, 07:59

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Originally posted by Lord Zor
that's just stupid....all aircraft have to be on radar during an airshow. the B2 has a device onboard that allows it to be seen on radar, how do you think they refuel =P if they didn't have that its like finding a flake of skin in a the floor

you fight like a dairy farmer

Lord Zor · 8 Apr 2003, 15:23

um um....::trys to think of some wilty pirate bandter:: you flight like....damnit....now your gonna make me go play monkey island to get some old school pirate jokes

Radical Edward · 8 Apr 2003, 15:39

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Originally posted by Lord Zor
um um....::trys to think of some wilty pirate bandter:: you flight like....damnit....now your gonna make me go play monkey island to get some old school pirate jokes

(how appropriate, you fight like a cow)

I've spoken with apes more polite than you!

menth0l · 8 Apr 2003, 15:52

We have a stealth missile boat and a stealth hovercraft. Apparently they're impossible to detect if there is even the slightest wind because they look like plain old waves in the radar.

menth0l · 8 Apr 2003, 15:52

We have a stealth missile boat and a stealth hovercraft. Apparently they're impossible to detect if there is even the slightest wind because they look like plain old waves in the radar.

menth0l · 8 Apr 2003, 15:53

We have a stealth missile boat and a stealth hovercraft. Apparently they're impossible to detect if there is even the slightest wind because they look like plain old waves in the radar.

clx · 8 Apr 2003, 15:53

well i recon they have built it and have it in use as we type...

coz i've never seen one, have YOU?

Intrepid00 · 23 Apr 2003, 14:48

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Originally posted by Mong
Certain NATO countries (notably the UK) have proven they can detect the F117 if they're expecting it in the area.

Anyway, the Eurofighter Typhoon has good "stealth". Although it's now approaching a decade overdue, and double the budget.

Buy British? Pffft. Could have had bought the F/A-18 or F-16, it would have been in service years ago, and would have cost a lot less.

The Tornado F-3 is now too old and is outperformed by the Mig-29 in most ways.

M.

Yeah, but they slip in and out of radar and the new Raptor can be deteced but its signal is that of a bird. Good luck firguring out which on is the seagull and which on is about to move in and rain destruction on you for turning on electronic noise.

Radical Edward · 23 Apr 2003, 15:13

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Originally posted by Intrepid00
Good luck firguring out which on is the seagull and which on is about to move in and rain destruction on you for turning on electronic noise.

the one flying at mach 2.

Intrepid00 · 23 Apr 2003, 15:25

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
the one flying at mach 2.

But who you going to pickup it if you turn up the senstivty of the radar to pickup birds? I think one little bird even moving faster then normal will hard to pickup from the millions upon millions of things in the air that size.

KaneED · 23 Apr 2003, 22:39

THe JSF has been going on for a while, that's stealthified.

cheekybru · 8 May 2003, 15:52

Whats so special? I had Phantoms and Ghosts in r3, Nothing detects those bitches

Sub · 8 May 2003, 18:08

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Originally posted by cheekybru
Whats so special? I had Phantoms and Ghosts in r3, Nothing detects those bitches

This is probably the best post you will ever make.