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XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 13:51

Kill them!!!

Or you are going to say you dont have nukes or anthrax?

Radical Edward · 15 Apr 2003, 13:53

aah but the US doesn't go round invading smaller countries for their oil, like Iraq did.

acropolis · 15 Apr 2003, 13:53

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Originally posted by XeeThot
Kill them!!!

Or you are going to say you dont have nukes or anthrax?

LIESSSS!!

we gave all our anthrax away

and well nuke your ass if you continue to spread lies about our wmds

[GAP]Obiwan · 15 Apr 2003, 13:54

Don't be so ridiculous! the americans are trying to disarm the middle-east they are honourble people, why it would just be hypocritical if they had WMD themselves?

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 13:58

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
aah but the US doesn't go round invading smaller countries for their oil, like Iraq did.

ROFL

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Originally posted by acropolis
LIESSSS!!

we gave all our anthrax away

and well nuke your ass if you continue to spread lies about our wmds

To whom? The Libians or South Korea?

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Originally posted by [GAP]Obiwan
Don't be so ridiculous! the americans are trying to disarm the middle-east they are honourble people, why it would just be hypocritical if they had WMD themselves?

Heheheh... ask the people that live near nuke silos....

ChubbyChecker · 15 Apr 2003, 14:00

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Originally posted by WorkMonkey
I don't see the problem with getting rid of countries with WMD, America has lots of red tape to go through before using them, Iraq say, wouldnt.

Lots of red tape? Yeah right! I've seen Sum of all Fears, all he had to do was push the button!

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 14:02

KILL THE USA!!!! They might attack your contry next... It will be preemptive.

Radical Edward · 15 Apr 2003, 14:16

this is turning into a pretty funny thread

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 14:22

Hey, you can get France, Germany, Italy, North Korea and a whole bunch of Arabs .... hhmmm.... what is taking you so long?

Ste · 15 Apr 2003, 14:24

The US only have them so they don't need to use them... Unless someone pisses them off.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 14:30

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Originally posted by Ste
The US only have them so they don't need to use them... Unless someone pisses them off.

So does Pakistan, huh?

Vermillion · 15 Apr 2003, 14:53

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Originally posted by WorkMonkey
I don't see the problem with getting rid of countries with WMD, America has lots of red tape to go through before using them, Iraq say, wouldnt.

What red tape exactly?

If Bush decided right now to launch missiles, he takes his Nuclear football, punches in the command codes and selects an Attack Option from the 75-page 'Black Book'. Two staff officers verify his codes, and assuming they are verified, then he orders a launch.

Done and done. What red tape were you referring to? I suppose individual silo commanders could refuse the order, but since they will not know until a few minutes before launch if it is a drill or not, that is extremely unlikely. Besides, the same could be said of the operations men in Iraq or any other country.

There is no Red tape.

Radical Edward · 15 Apr 2003, 14:55

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Originally posted by Vermillion

There is no Red tape.

could he quite literally do it just because he felt so inclined?

Tietäjä · 15 Apr 2003, 15:07

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Originally posted by XeeThot
So does Pakistan, huh?

And the Korea blokes are attempting to produce a few for the same reasons. Actually, Ste named the reason why weapons of mass destruction were originally createn.

Tietäjä · 15 Apr 2003, 15:09

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
Of course not, you must be thinking of someone else, because America has never attacked another nation without firm evidence and the approval of the full backing of the United Nations. Also I'll thinkyou'll find that the US would be the last country to use Nuclear weapons.

Yes, America has never attacked another nation without firm evidence and the approval of the full backing of the UN... EH?

Also, I'll think you'll find that the Russia would be the last country to use nuclear weapons.

Radical Edward · 15 Apr 2003, 15:17

ironic. this whole thread smells of irony.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 15:19

Ok then, are we ready to pack up and shoot USA brains out?

I want to be back before my ADSL is up... I think that two weeks is enought to gain control of all the country and make Bush cry like a litlle girl while meaple bitchslaps him...

Tietäjä · 15 Apr 2003, 15:20

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
OK I'm getting lost in my own irony, are you being ironic or merely stupid? Please clarify.

Answer number ONE IS CORRECT, and WE have a LUCKY winner. PM Mrl_Jakiri if you wish to know what you've just WON.

[GAP]Obiwan · 15 Apr 2003, 15:27

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
Of course not, you must be thinking of someone else, because America has never attacked another nation without firm evidence and the approval of the full backing of the United Nations. Also I'll thinkyou'll find that the US would be the last country to use Nuclear weapons.

it just crossed my mind that this might not be sarcasm?

acropolis · 15 Apr 2003, 15:27

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Originally posted by Radical Edward
could he quite literally do it just because he felt so inclined?

according to a documentary i recently read, in the event that the president wants to nuke a country for the wrong reasons, Jack Ryan will be there to reject him, thus saving millions of innocent lives from nuclear holocaust.

It's the whole "checks and balances" thing we have in America. We have institutions that check others from doing wrong, like our Supreme Court stops unconstitutional laws, our president appoint supreme court, and jack ryan can stop a nuclear attack. The framers considered all this.

Tietäjä · 15 Apr 2003, 15:29

Who the **** is Jack Ryan? Some new hollywood star I've missed?

OR

George W. Bush Jr's HIDDEN STEP BROTHER!!!???

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 15:30

What happened to the wallet full of buttons?

push-n-boom, wasnt it?

Radical Edward · 15 Apr 2003, 15:39

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Originally posted by acropolis
according to a documentary i recently read, in the event that the president wants to nuke a country for the wrong reasons, Jack Ryan will be there to reject him, thus saving millions of innocent lives from nuclear holocaust.

aah, the founding fathers were really looking ahead when they thought of Jack Ryan

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 15:49

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
I'm not being sarcastic, the US is a glorious nation leading us to peace and prosperity in a dangerous world full of arms dealers and megalomaniac madmen. You only have to look at the Kosovon war, the gulf wars, the bombing of yugoslavia to see the US commitment to peace.

Many Europenas are worried about US "hegemony" but look at Latin America, under the care of the US it has become a paradise free from literacy, nutrition and healthcare, the three demons of communism we've fought so hard to destroy. I imagine the Chileans, Nicaraguans, Grenadan's, Haitians, Mexicans and Columbians praise the lord every day that America stepped in at the right time to set them on the right path.

Columbia is at war with an military-revolutionary group and the columbian drug cartel
Mexican economy was torn to crap by the USA

USA only interest is on the buying comunity of Central and South America, not to spread freedom but to spread their products and to take other countries' wealth. Most of the south and center america has low education, bad hospitals, and hunguer. And most of that can be traced back to USA 'intervention' to the country.

ChubbyChecker · 15 Apr 2003, 15:57

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Originally posted by XeeThot
USA only interest is on the buying comunity of Central and South America, not to spread freedom but to spread their products and to take other countries' wealth.

Then why are they trying to make a free trade area? They already did it with NAFTA which has benefitted Mexico greatly.

When two countries, a rich and a poor one, decide to remove all tariffs between each other the country that gains most out of it is always the poor one.

ChubbyChecker · 15 Apr 2003, 16:26

Free trade is a good thing
Trust me, I'm an economist

You can't blame the multinational corporations, they give work to the locals. And you can moan about how low the wages are but it's still better than being unemployed.
What the governments have to do is make sure that the country benefits from foreign investment. Not simply sell the multinational companies rights to their oil fields and leave it at that (ie Nigeria).

The only reason South East Asia has done so well is because they have exploited the foreign investment they've had.

Dibdevlin · 15 Apr 2003, 16:28

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Originally posted by ChubbyChecker
Free trade is a good thing
Trust me, I'm an economist

You can't blame the multinational corporations, they give work to the locals. And you can moan about how low the wages are but it's still better than being unemployed.
What the governments have to do is make sure that the country benefits from foreign investment. Not simply sell the multinational companies rights to their oil fields and leave it at that (ie Nigeria).

The only reason South East Asia has done so well is because they have exploited the foreign investment they've had.

I'd look closer at Nigeria if you think thats why they have problems.

Might have something to do with the fact that the tribe in control of the government isn't the tribe that inhabits the Oil region, and the government doesn't want any of the money they get from the Oil getting into those people's hands.

ChubbyChecker · 15 Apr 2003, 16:32

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Originally posted by Dibdevlin
I'd look closer at Nigeria if you think thats why they have problems.

Might have something to do with the fact that the tribe in control of the government isn't the tribe that inhabits the Oil region, and the government doesn't want any of the money they get from the Oil getting into those people's hands.

Regardless of the reason, they are mismanaging their foreign investment, which is the point I was making.

Anyway, the biggest problem with Nigeria's oil is that it's shipped out crude. A lot more money could be made if they refined it but no, they just take it straight from the ground onto the nearest boat.

Sub · 15 Apr 2003, 16:34

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Originally posted by ChubbyChecker
Free trade is a good thing
Trust me, I'm an economist

Fair trade sure isn't!

Vermillion · 15 Apr 2003, 16:50

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Originally posted by Tietäjä
Also, I'll think you'll find that the Russia would be the last country to use nuclear weapons.

The United States was the last country to use Atomic weapons in war, the most recent nations to detonate nuclear weaposns were India, China and France.

And yes, the president of the United States could literally decide to just nuke the planet one day, assuming none of his subordinates refused to follow orders. So could Vladimir Putin. Mildly worrysome, yes?

Dibdevlin · 15 Apr 2003, 16:51

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
If we look at Shell's actions in Nigeria where they basiclaly told the Nigerian government to start shooting the Ogoni's. Yes that could be described as mismanaging foreign investment by the Nigerian government.

The biggest problem with Nigeria's oil is that it has screwed over the people who live on the land the oil is on you dumbass.

Interesting fantasy world you live in. You think the Bakassi Boys were set up by Shell? You think Shell pushed to have them recoginzed offically?

Yeah I'm sure that was all some plot by the evil multinational monoplies..

Sub · 15 Apr 2003, 16:53

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
What sort of ignant sh** is this.

For startes when you say South East Aisia you are of course excluding, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia and China. I think you'll find that Japan and Korea may have one or two companies of their own, you anglo-saxoncentric opinions aside.

The way to exploit foreign investment is to have a prosperous and well educated population who use finance to further their own interests, not to sit back, lower your wages and investment barriers and watch as the money drains out of your economy. When you hear the phrase economic miracle, reach for you wallet, becuase the miracle is usually the amount of profits made rather than the benefits to the residents.

You know China is the fastest growing country in the world right?

ChubbyChecker · 15 Apr 2003, 17:17

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
When you say you're an economist you mean you once read The Economist right. Mis managed their foreign investment, how do you manage "free" trade moron. Enough talking in code, if you think free trade is so good, explain why the United States has some of the most protectionist policies in the world closely followed by the EU.

Yes, you're right, Europe and the US are very protectionist. CAP is possibly the biggest protectionist programme in the world. However, this actually hurts the long term growth of the EU. Keeping CAP costs the people of Europe money, both in taxes to pay for it and in artificially inflated food prices. Protectionism is bad, just because a lot of the developed world uses it doesn't make it good.

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
The truth is that free trade is imposed by the IMF on countries in exchange for credit, this credit of course does not go to the people of that country but pays off previous loans of failed investment by your blameless multinationals.

Yes, Third World debt is bad, it should be written off. Separate issue though.

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
Multinationals are mostly monopolies and seek to undermine domestic industry. If we look at Shell's actions in Nigeria where they basiclaly told the Nigerian government to start shooting the Ogoni's. Yes that could be described as mismanaging foreign investment by the Nigerian government.

The biggest problem with Nigeria's oil is that it has screwed over the people who live on the land the oil is on you dumbass.

Imagine for a second you run a multinational, do you a) invest in government with high taxes and progressive labour laws or b) in the people who will work for practically nothing. So when you say mismanage foreign investment you mean not shafting your people to get it.

Now you're just being paranoid and anti capitalist and talking about conspiracy theories. Multinationals tend to be a neutral force in countries, they don't worsen humanitarian issues, they just don't do anything to alleviate them. I am talking specifically about Nigeria here.

And for the record Nigeria's problem with oil is that it has led to Dutch disease, ie all other industries have suffered. Some people even think that Nigeria would be better off if it had never discovered oil.

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
What sort of ignant sh** is this.

For startes when you say South East Aisia you are of course excluding, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia and China. I think you'll find that Japan and Korea may have one or two companies of their own, you anglo-saxoncentric opinions aside.

Embracing foreign investment does not mean not having companies of your own. OK, I went a bit overboard with my comment about foreign investment but it is valuable, especially in countries scarce of capital, which developing countries are.

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Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
The way to exploit foreign investment is to have a prosperous and well educated population who use finance to further their own interests, not to sit back, lower your wages and investment barriers and watch as the money drains out of your economy. When you hear the phrase economic miracle, reach for you wallet, becuase the miracle is usually the amount of profits made rather than the benefits to the residents.

Agreed, you use foreign investment to build better schools and universities and infrastructure. I never said otherwise. I certainly didn't say you have to lower your country's wages.

W · 15 Apr 2003, 17:39

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Originally posted by Vermillion
The United States was the last country to use Atomic weapons in war, the most recent nations to detonate nuclear weaposns were India, China and France.

And yes, the president of the United States could literally decide to just nuke the planet one day, assuming none of his subordinates refused to follow orders. So could Vladimir Putin. Mildly worrysome, yes?

They'd run out of nukes before they hit me, so no worries.

eple · 15 Apr 2003, 17:39

All you yuppies who believe the lies and think that free trade and capitalsm will do any good for humanity needs to get a solid dose of hard reality into your brains and start looking at facts. Economic growt will never help us in the long run, we need to redistribute the resources, not find way to further exploit the earth. I'm tired of listening to another self-assured ****o who studied at some western up-to date university and still can't see how the chase for profit constantly screw this world over.

We need people who can see the facts and do something about it, not just fint another 2000 ways of explaining that the current system rocks even thoug it so obviously is utter crap. If complete ignorance is the profit from all the years spent on education in this world then sure, give me a shot, I want to believe too.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 18:12

Hey you are gettin out off topic!!!

BOMB USA!!!!!

W · 15 Apr 2003, 18:13

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Originally posted by eple
All you yuppies who believe the lies and think that free trade and capitalsm will do any good for humanity needs to get a solid dose of hard reality into your brains and start looking at facts. Economic growt will never help us in the long run, we need to redistribute the resources, not find way to further exploit the earth. I'm tired of listening to another self-assured ****o who studied at some western up-to date university and still can't see how the chase for profit constantly screw this world over.

We need people who can see the facts and do something about it, not just fint another 2000 ways of explaining that the current system rocks even thoug it so obviously is utter crap. If complete ignorance is the profit from all the years spent on education in this world then sure, give me a shot, I want to believe too.

That's alot of words, but are you really saying anything?

JonnyBGood · 15 Apr 2003, 18:17

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Originally posted by eple
All you yuppies who believe the lies and think that free trade and capitalsm will do any good for humanity needs to get a solid dose of hard reality into your brains and start looking at facts. Economic growt will never help us in the long run, we need to redistribute the resources, not find way to further exploit the earth. I'm tired of listening to another self-assured ****o who studied at some western up-to date university and still can't see how the chase for profit constantly screw this world over.

We need people who can see the facts and do something about it, not just fint another 2000 ways of explaining that the current system rocks even thoug it so obviously is utter crap. If complete ignorance is the profit from all the years spent on education in this world then sure, give me a shot, I want to believe too.

I am moved to applaud the veritable stream of facts and figures you used to back up your conclusions there. And I will be damned before I acknowledge anybody's right to tell me what to do with my life.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 18:28

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Originally posted by XeeThot
Hey you are gettin out off topic!!!

BOMB USA!!!!!

JonnyBGood · 15 Apr 2003, 18:30

I don't think the USA exists.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 18:32

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Originally posted by JonnyBGood
I don't think the USA exists.

Then let's bomb Bush's country

JonnyBGood · 15 Apr 2003, 18:35

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Originally posted by XeeThot
Then let's bomb bush country

But I like Australia :((((((

Black Dog · 15 Apr 2003, 18:39

As long as you hit the current script-writers of Neighbours then I think the world would be a better place.

XeeThot · 15 Apr 2003, 18:57

Let me rephrase it Let's bomb George W. Bush's country.

eple · 16 Apr 2003, 01:00

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Originally posted by W
That's alot of words, but are you really saying anything?

no dude, I just love to spew out a few hundred words now and then just to be an ass.

eple · 16 Apr 2003, 01:05

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Originally posted by JonnyBGood
I am moved to applaud the veritable stream of facts and figures you used to back up your conclusions there. And I will be damned before I acknowledge anybody's right to tell me what to do with my life.

hmm...never told you what to do with your life. The reason why I didn't proveide a lot of statistics and numbers on how the "free" trading and capitalist systems are currently making this world a worse place for a great majority of this earth's population is partly because this is quite ubvious and partly because I had to go to a party and get drunk, laying GD away for a while.

JonnyBGood · 16 Apr 2003, 01:29

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Originally posted by eple
hmm...never told you what to do with your life. The reason why I didn't proveide a lot of statistics and numbers on how the "free" trading and capitalist systems are currently making this world a worse place for a great majority of this earth's population is partly because this is quite ubvious and partly because I had to go to a party and get drunk, laying GD away for a while.

I really don't care what happens to a "great majority of this earth's population" as long as I'm free to do what I wish to, assuming my wish doesn't include interfering with the essential rights of others.

W · 16 Apr 2003, 03:27

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Originally posted by eple
no dude, I just love to spew out a few hundred words now and then just to be an ass.

Obviously.

ChubbyChecker · 16 Apr 2003, 09:25

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Originally posted by eple
The reason why I didn't proveide a lot of statistics and numbers on how the "free" trading and capitalist systems are currently making this world a worse place for a great majority of this earth's population is partly because this is quite ubvious...

Yes, quite obvious, if you live in Cloud Cookoo Land!

Nondescript Human · 16 Apr 2003, 10:38

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Originally posted by XeeThot
The USA has WMD

REALLY???

I always thought that people were just having a laugh when they mentioned this GLARINGLY OBVIOUS point in EVERY SINGLE THREAD even slightly war-related!!!111