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Unread 1 Mar 2003, 12:40   #1
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If gay people are born with the wrong chromozomes, does this mean that scientists will eventually find a 'cure for gay'??

If this were possible, and with dna manipulation techniques increasing its likely, how should society view the future of homosexuality? And if you had a choice would you give your child the cure for gay or not?

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I would cure my child of gayness if it were possible, but I really dont think I will have any gay children.
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Post the evidence you have that sexuality is genetically rather than socially determined plz.
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Post the evidence you have that sexuality is genetically rather than socially determined plz.
i dont have any evidence, im doing my usual trick of posting something really unfactual and contraversial to see how you pe0ns react...
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surely if there is a gay gene then being gay is hereditary, does this mean that people witha history of gay in their family are more likely to be gay?
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i dont have any evidence, im doing my usual trick of posting something really unfactual and contraversial to see how you pe0ns react...
There are at least six posters who do this far far better than you. (and don't get banned)
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There are at least six posters who do this far far better than you. (and don't get banned)
There are probably many people far better at shagging than me, doesn't stop me doing it tho. (i wont)
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Does this mean you could make a 'gay' virus?
Instead of biological weapons, terrorist could unleash gay onto the west?
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Does this mean you could make a 'gay' virus?
Instead of biological weapons, terrorist could unleash gay onto the west?
perhaps its already happened.

apparently china has no homosexuality.....
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why cure something that does not involve you? if your child is happy with their sexuality then you should let them choose to be whatever they wanted. plus it doesn't make their quality of life worse, the onyl reason people would want it cured is because of their opinion
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perhaps its already happened.

apparently china has no homosexuality.....
Did they carry out a survey on 1200000000 people?
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perhaps its already happened.

apparently china has no homosexuality.....
come on DJ even you can work out why that is
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Re: Sexual Science

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If gay people are born with the wrong chromozomes, does this mean that scientists will eventually find a 'cure for gay'??

If this were possible, and with dna manipulation techniques increasing its likely, how should society view the future of homosexuality? And if you had a choice would you give your child the cure for gay or not?

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Dunno, but if they do, let me know and I'll slip it into the drinks of a few of my ex's.
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Post the evidence you have that sexuality is genetically rather than socially determined plz.
It's probably a bit of both, but there's certainly no reason why it can't be genetic.

I would assume that some people have genetic tendencies towards certain types of relationships, but these can be weakened or reinforced by cultural influences. This isn't really a scientific hypothesis, just what seems to be 'common sense'.
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i would never *cure* my son from being gay cause i happen to find gay men very nice guys. I resent the fact ppl think its an illness...who are we to say whats normal and not?
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Post the evidence you have that sexuality is genetically rather than socially determined plz.
the gays say so.

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How can it be in your chromosomes?

when two identical twins are born, one is gay, one isnt.

They share the same genes, chromosomes etc. So how can it be that?
i was not aware that in all sets of twins there was a gay half.

secondly, everyone agrees that it is possible to choose to be gay, so if there was an example of what you claim that could be an explanation.

third (for fun), many pairs of identicals aren't truly identical: one is the 'mirror image' of the other. so the inverse of heterosexual would be homosexual

unrelated, but when people talk about a 'gay gene' they tend to ignore the possibility that everyone has a gay gene, which only activates in some people.
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I still find this odd....even IF it is genetic, why look upon it as something that could be cured? Being male or female or black or white or red-haired is also genetic and i dont see ppl saying that such a thing should be considered a disease and thus should or could be changed. Its a matter of looking at gayness. I dont find it a thing that should be changed.
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It's probably a bit of both, but there's certainly no reason why it can't be genetic.
Homosexuality isnt an evolutionary stable strategy. Surely it would have "died out" before now if it was a purely genetic abnormality (even if you assume the rather implausible position that it survives due to homosexuals being 'forced' to act heterosexual as a result of social pressure, youre still left with the problem of homosexuality in non-human animals). I dont see any reason to assume that people arent naturally bisexual and that notions of sexuality arent generally socially conditioned to be honest.

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My ex girlfriend left me for a gay man so i dont like em




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Homosexuality isnt an evolutionary stable strategy. Surely it would have "died out" before now if it was a purely genetic abnormality (even if you assume the rather implausible position that it survives due to homosexuals being 'forced' to act heterosexual as a result of social pressure, youre still left with the problem of homosexuality in non-human animals). I dont see any reason to assume that people arent naturally bisexual and that notions of sexuality arent generally socially conditioned to be honest.
If heterosexuality is better than homosexuality (from a gene's perspective) then it is also better than bisexuality. Natural selection on genes always seems to lead to the conclusion that homosexuality "shouldn't" exist.

I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting the answer to be. You dismissed "social pressure" as "implausible", then said that you can't see any reason why sexuality isn't "socially conditioned".

I am close to agreeing with you on the final point - I don't think that sexuality is purely determined by the genes. But I also don't see any reason why the genes couldn't give us a "bias" in favour of sex with certain types of people, with this being either reinforced or weakened by our social environment. In this case, it's not possible to "prevent" homosexuality through genetic engineering, but it would be possible to make it less likely.

Note: in my earlier post I should have said "genetically influenced", not just "genetic"
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something no one has mentioned is that homosexuality keeps the worlds population down which is a big doubleplusgood in my eyes.

i dont give a ****. Apart from reproduction, sex is for recreation. Different people do it different ways. There are of course, oral, anal etc. Why should anyone care if two guys like anal, or two girls like oral?

It seems to me that if every gay couple adopted a kid,we'd solve two problems in one; the rising population, and unwanted children being left in foster homes.

Too simplistic? Dunno.
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I don't mind gays, as long as they only socialise with each other, not us normals.
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How can it be genetic, unless everybody has the gene?

Your parents can't be gay.
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Whatever it is, it is totally abnormal, such that gays should be treated with the utmost suspicion.
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hmm

I've read that a part of the brain (i _think_ it's called the frontal cortex or something like that) controls sexual desires - this came up in a court case in america when someone had a brain tumour affecting this part of the brain that made them turn into a paedophile, and when it was removed their 'urges' returned to normal. If paedophilia can be decided by a subtle change in a section of the brain, who's to say that homosexuality can't?
Not that i'd endorse brain surgery to 'cure' homosexuality, but i don't know if anyone has actually tested whether this may have a link to homosexuality or not.
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How can it be genetic, unless everybody has the gene?

Your parents can't be gay.
Why not?
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If gay people are born with the wrong chromozomes, does this mean that scientists will eventually find a 'cure for gay'??

If this were possible, and with dna manipulation techniques increasing its likely, how should society view the future of homosexuality? And if you had a choice would you give your child the cure for gay or not?

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No, there's worse things than having a daughter who chows box and a son who sucks dick. I don't really care what my kids would do in bed as long as I don't walk in on it.

In any event I think people are pretty much bisexual with varying degrees of it. I think we all have it within ourselves to **** somebody of the same sex. Some people just have more inclination to actually act on it.

To bring a rather unscientific view to the table a better view of homosexuality (or at least my view not necessarily better) might be throwing out the whole concept of who someone ****s and instead who someone has intimacy with. Like saying Jane ****s both men and women however she only feels intimate with women, which makes her a homosexual. Some people may have the capacity to be intimate with both sexes, making them bisexual. This of course runs into it's own problems when you try to pinpoint what intimacy actually is. But it's my own working definition of sexuality, take it as you will.
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Because they had straight sex in order to have you born.
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Re: Sexual Science

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If gay people are born with the wrong chromozomes, does this mean that scientists will eventually find a 'cure for gay'??

If this were possible, and with dna manipulation techniques increasing its likely, how should society view the future of homosexuality? And if you had a choice would you give your child the cure for gay or not?

Discuss..
I have moral objections pertaining to the connection of 'gay' with 'cure' as if it were some nasty disease.

Shame on you.

And the answer would naturally be, that if my child would be gay and he doesn't feel to happy with it, I will gladly help him to score this concoction I refuse to call cure.

If he/she is okay I'm not going to change stuff for them.
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Because they had straight sex in order to have you born.
hahhaha funniest thing i've read this year, so implying by your statement that gay people are somehow incapable of having sexual relations with members of the opposite sex?

Or are you implying something else?

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Because they had straight sex in order to have you born.
It's impossible for gay (or people with gay tendencies, at least) to have straight sex?

You're also missing out some fairly basic points of genetics. For example, there may be a gene which causes homosexuality (or an increased chance of homosexuality) which only works in men. It's possible that your mother carries this gene, though it has no effect on her. Another example of this is the fact that you're just as likely to inherit genes for penis size from your mother as from your father - those genes simply don't have the same effect on her as they would have on a male.

Therefore it's possible for your entirely heterosexual mother to pass on genes for homosexuality in males
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As usual a lot of people you have missed the whole love thing.
2 women meet, get on great, after a while this becomes affection, then things happen etc. Same situation with men I guess, although men are more driven by their sexual desires than women aparently, 'You men all think with your balls' etc, so its simply desire.

Genetic, yes its partly that.
Psychological, yes its partly that.
Social pressures, yes its partly that, although not very much.
Fashion, yes its partly that.

To answer the question, as will inevitable happen, we will get to chose some general genetics for our children at the zygote stage and no I would not chose for my child to be gay. The only people who would do this imo would be gay couples, and I would have to question their reasoning for this.

If changing your childs sexual preference, is going to make them psychologically traumatised then why would you do it? It would be like beating the gayness out of them, not a very nice thing to do.
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