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Unread 13 Mar 2005, 22:33   #1
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time travel

I was just wondering, does anyone here feel time travel will ever be possible? If so what theories do you believe in? I was thinking the other day that to travel back in time would require a way to make every single thing in the universe to go in reverse, which in turn would 'rewind' time. Of course, you would also have to be rewound otherwise the particles wouldn't all go back to where they are supposed to so you would create a totally different timeline. but, if you were rewound there would be no way to know that you had rewound the universe, so you would have created an infinate loop forever.
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Unread 13 Mar 2005, 22:37   #2
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Re: time travel

The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible.
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Re: time travel

I hear if Superman flew round the earth really fast backwards, then time would reverse.

But Superman doesn't exist, so no
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Re: time travel

Posting in a Physics' thread.

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ie "Not Physics", you yokels.

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Re: time travel

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Re: time travel

I do think it will be possible, I certainly hope so...
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Re: time travel

If you enter the event horizon in a black hole time will accelerate outside so that you in a way travel forward in time if you leave the EH. At least that’s a theory!

If we ever will be able to go back in time we would probably know that now!
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If time travel isn't possible, I'm screwed.
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Re: time travel

even if you can go back in time, you'd probably either become your "past" self and wouldn't know about it, or just cease to exist because you haven't been created yet. Likewise, you shouldn't be able to go forwards in time, because it hasn't happened yet. However, i am not going to be one of those ignorant people who go around saying that things like this will never happen, because i don't know that they won't, i just don't see how it is possible to exist as your "future" self in the past. And then there's the paradoxs
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Re: time travel

Not again.

I've always maintained in every time travel thread we've ever had on here, that time travel is impossible due to as yet undiscovered laws of physics.
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Re: time travel

You're probably right Belgy.

However, couldn't it be possible that when travelling through time, you're actually travelling into an alternate timeline--and not the 'exact' timeline you intended to go through?
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Re: time travel

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You're probably right Belgy.

However, couldn't it be possible that when travelling through time, you're actually travelling into an alternate timeline--and not the 'exact' timeline you intended to go through?
This is where things get really 'far out'. Your talking about every combination of events that could possibly ever happen, do happen, and create alternate universes where they do occur. Like me being Lord Supreme Dictator of Earth. Super string theory in other words.

It makes my brain ache just thinking about it.
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Re: time travel

we are all travelling through time.. This is what living is.... Every day we pass into the future. How can you go back in time when it has already happened....

There are ways of going into the future too - travel at speeds very close to the speed of light for a while and when you come back Earth less time will have passed for you. But to go back in time is surely nonsense.
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Re: time travel

Belgy does not represent the scientific community.

In fact, this thread is all pretty crappy.
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Re: time travel

I see it's time for the bi-annual time travel thread again then.
Here is a quick summation of the conclusions drawn the last 6 times we've had this discussion:
a) Yes, but only forwards.
b) There are several caveats to "a)" making it next to useless.
c) "a)" has already been proved in a practical experiment by NASA, a jet, and an pair of atomic clocks, but see "b)" as to why it had little impact.
d) For some reason people find the concept of relative time incredibley difficult to grasp.
e) There are various philosophical implications, including the quantum timeline theory as outlined by belgy.
f) For a review, please use the search function and look for the words "time" and "travel" in thread titles on GD.
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Re: time travel

I have just came back in time from 2 minutes in your future to post proof it is possible!
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Re: time travel

That's 4 minutes. Someone can't count.
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Re: time travel

Well, no, i meant "your future" as i wasnt posting from my time period and meant "what you perceive as the future" - it was a general "your" not meaning you in particular.
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In fact, this thread is all pretty crappy.
Neither do you, it seems.
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a) Yes, but only forwards.
b) There are several caveats to "a)" making it next to useless.
c) "a)" has already been proved in a practical experiment by NASA, a jet, and an pair of atomic clocks, but see "b)" as to why it had little impact.
c) does NOT prove a), does not come close to proving a) and does not even touch on proving a).

That's not even touching upon the fact that it is impossible to scientifically prove that something cannot happen.
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Re: time travel

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Neither do you, it seems.
I'm not the one suggesting something that isn't scientifically possible. I'm not the one who is posting things like

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I've always maintained in every time travel thread we've ever had on here, that time travel is impossible due to as yet undiscovered laws of physics.
Especially when there is a conjectured method to travel backwards through time that is consistent with current theory.
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It can be done and it involves a wheel where timelines move in to a vortex like thing.

I am unaware to produce links but I´ve seen a guy prove it on TV and NASA hates him so he must be right.*


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c) does NOT prove a), does not come close to proving a) and does not even touch on proving a).
I worded it badly, I meant it had been proved that you could do it forwards - I didn't intend to imply the proof negated the posibility of backward travel. However, I still maintain going backwards would be impossible.

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That's not even touching upon the fact that it is impossible to scientifically prove that something cannot happen.
I would have thought it would be fairly simple to prove, just by doing the maths and maybe with a few practical experiments, that I cannot jump over the empire state building using only the power of my body for example.

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I am unaware to produce links but I´ve seen a guy prove it on TV and NASA hates him so he must be right
Was he sticking it to the man at that point?
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I worded it badly, I meant it had been proved that you could do it forwards - I didn't intend to imply the proof negated the posibility of backward travel. However, I I would have thought it would be fairly simple to prove, just by doing the maths and maybe with a few practical experiments, that I cannot jump over the empire state building using only the power of my body for example.
"Science" is an exercise in modelling. Empiricism cannot, by definition, deny the possibility of any given event.

So no, you wouldn't be proving that you couldn't do that, just that you couldn't do that if the theory you are using to model the situation is correct, which is something that you cannot prove.
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pfft!

Didn't anyone here watched the Back to the Future trilogy? It's been done!

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You're probably right Belgy.

However, couldn't it be possible that when travelling through time, you're actually travelling into an alternate timeline--and not the 'exact' timeline you intended to go through?

Assuming you are talking about travelling back in time it would require you reversing their universe from this universe, without influencing this universe which would be highly unlikely. What you are suggesting in this case would be travelling to different universes which is not the same as time travel.
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Re: time travel

every time i lie down on my bed i travel a few hours into the future.
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Funnily enough when i start drinking guiness time seems to accelerate dramatically until the point that i throw up.
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The notion is incoherent.
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That's not even touching upon the fact that it is impossible to scientifically prove that something cannot happen.


Only if youre using a nonsensical definition of 'prove'.
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Timetravel is possible now, it's called waiting.


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For every wise ass who didn't read or ignored the implications or was too stupid to understand the implicationd of my original post I was referring to travelling backwards in time.
Travelling backwards in time is also clearly possible ^PROOF^.
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Only if youre using a nonsensical definition of 'prove'.
When did verifying the validity of a statement become a nonsensical definition of "prove"?
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For every wise ass who didn't read or ignored the implications or was too stupid to understand the implicationd of my original post I was referring to travelling backwards in time.
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It's logically incoherent.


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When did verifying the validity of a statement become a nonsensical definition of "prove"?
A claim can be disproven through ruling out all it's supporting evidence and hence showing that there is no reason to believe it. This does not imply that it logically impossible for the claim to be true after all, but this is not entailed by the concept of 'proof' outside formal logic and mathematics.
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I was just wondering, does anyone here feel time travel will ever be possible?
You're initial question clearly left it open for interpretation as either forwards or backwards.

Also, you need a large whack around the occiput with a grammar wand.
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A claim can be disproven through ruling out all supporting evidence for it and hence showing that there is no reason to believe it.
Not having a reason to believe a hypothesis doesn't mean that it's anything but empirically false.

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This does not imply that it logically impossible for the claim to be true, but this is not entailed by the concept of 'proof' outside of formal logic and mathematics.
"Impossible" is an absolute, you know. I was just pointing out that there are no empirical absolute proofs.
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I'm not the one suggesting something that isn't scientifically possible. I'm not the one who is posting things like
What isn't scientifically possible pray tell?

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Especially when there is a conjectured method to travel backwards through time that is consistent with current theory.
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What isn't scientifically possible pray tell?
Read the rest of my posts and try to discover the mystical hidden link!

The second bit was a bit of a disconnect, I'll admit.
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Impossible is not a fact, it's an opinion!
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Re: time travel

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Not having a reason to believe a hypothesis doesn't mean that it's anything but empirically false.
It means that it can be discounted without further discussion, which is what is generally meant by prove. We do not say that a jury has failed to prove a murder suspect guilty because they haven't ruled out the possibility that the victim spontaneously and then was resurrected on Mars.
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Re: time travel

What's that you say? There are differences between scientific impossibilities and practical impossibilities? Never!
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Re: time travel

I still say it's all about the as yet undiscovered laws of physics.
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What's that you say? There are differences between scientific impossibilities and practical impossibilities? Never!
I've no idea what 'scientific impossibility' means and it doesnt sound like a particularly useful concept given that nothing seems to be subsumed under it.
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It means that it can be discounted without further discussion, which is what is generally meant by prove. We do not say that a jury has failed to prove a murder suspect guilty because they haven't ruled out the possibility that the victim spontaneously and then was resurrected on Mars.
Fortunate, then, that I was fairly obviously dealing with absolutes.

Currently, empirically, "time travel" is impossible. But that's not the same as it actually being impossible.
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Re: time travel

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You're initial question clearly left it open for interpretation as either forwards or backwards.

Also, you need a large whack around the occiput with a grammar wand.
the following example clearly indicated that I was talking about travelling backwards in time. If I had also given an example of travelling forward in time then your point might be valid. Also, all the 'funny'
people making comments about lying around and travelling forward in time are just being stupid. technically they are correct, but if you can't travel in time separatly from ayone else it isn't really worth it.
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