The good, the bad + the ugly

[MiX]

Originally Posted by Grog

NewDawn is the poster child for the good guys.

Its generally.

The unorganized, honorable, standup, do the right thing, go down fighting good guys.
vs.
The cheating, account sharing, multiing, farming, backstabbing, win at all costs bad guys.
Which of course has LDK as the ultimate representative.
.....

Originally Posted by Grog

I said NoS lacked the organization to compete with the bad guys. AKA Exi/LCH

I do find it abit of insulting that you call LCH "The cheating, account sharing, multiing, farming, backstabbing, win at all costs bad guys." because that it quite obviously completely wrong.

I dont think there is a real bad side in a game like this unless one side cheats on mass scale or abuses things like escorting/small alliances as flak stuff etc. therefor I dont think any side was the bad side this round. There are ofc still the ugly which are imo the napping /sidehopping/fencesitting ppz who do everything to get high ranks even tho noone will give them any credit for it. We did have some of that this round.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by MiX

I dont think there is a real bad side in a game like this unless one side cheats on mass scale or abuses things like escorting/small alliances as flak stuff etc.

I believe there were several accusations of eXi doing that this round, and in my experience it looked very much like this happened* (see wakey's thread).

As I said in that thread though, it's immoral but it is within the rules of the game and a perfectly fair method of trying to achieve victory... bad guys are actually a great way to improve the enjoyment of a round. Like last round, we viewed LCH as the bad guys for PR attempts to portray ND in a negative light, and for inane targetting choices (ie. throwing away first place to hit ND with their allies).

Which made the round more fun in all because we then had an evil enemy to fight and it gave a better reason for people to turn up and send defence, which improved the community and team spirit; which is all that ND's about.


*Note that I'm not pretending to know. It's just that there was some very suspicious activity aimed at various friendly gals, most memorably Neferti's and my own...

[ReligFree]

Yeah + LCH dnt cheat grog so dnt b nasty about them, i used to be 1

[Squidly]

Originally Posted by ReligFree

Yeah + LCH dnt cheat grog so dnt b nasty about them, i used to be 1

But... but.... you're fluffy where-as they're not =/

[Grog]

OK my apologies to any LCH members I may have offended, I don't really believe they belong in the list of
"The cheating, account sharing, multiing, farming, backstabbing, win at all costs bad guys."

I lumped them in there simply because of who they chose to be allied to.

LCH are quality opponents who I've enjoyed battling with the last 2 rnds.

[ReligFree]

1 big happy family lol

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Gate

Like last round, we viewed LCH as the bad guys for PR attempts to portray ND in a negative light, and for inane targetting choices (ie. throwing away first place to hit ND with their allies).

I don't think you'll be surprised to hear it looked quite the other way around to someone in LCH

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Grog

OK my apologies to any LCH members I may have offended, I don't really believe they belong in the list of
"The cheating, account sharing, multiing, farming, backstabbing, win at all costs bad guys."

I lumped them in there simply because of who they chose to be allied to.

LCH are quality opponents who I've enjoyed battling with the last 2 rnds.

Apologies accepted.

[LocknLoad]

Originally Posted by MiX

I don’t think there is a real bad side in a game like this unless one side cheats on mass scale or abuses things like escorting/small alliances as flak stuff etc. .

I do believe this totally descibes what 1up has done for the past three rounds. 1up do say they don’t use other alliances as flack because they dont tell them when to attack but they do tell them when not to attack which is there own lt. This only leaves the flack run for these small alliances to attack in. So it is totally the same thing.

Originally Posted by Grog

"The cheating, account sharing, multiing, farming, backstabbing, win at all costs bad guys."

I lumped them in there simply because of who they chose to be allied to.

If your referring to Exi all I can say to that is "Do you have proof?"

Didn't think so!

So I guess you can try again and again. Maybe look in your own backyard?

[Kjeldoran]

Well, 1up has it all really ...

The good guy: Mazzelaar
The bad guy: jerome
The ugly guy: zhil

they even got the bonus edition ...

The fat guy: TheRat

So what do we conclude? that this thread again is all about 1up and nothing else, good job posting free PR for them guys ...

[lokken]

'flak' alliances have been existing since the beginnning of time and to suggest they aren't a legitimate tactic is patently ridiculous. Solid alliances get smaller ones floating around them in PA out of the natural order of things, so please, don't even suggest that there's something to have political capital to be made out of, considering both sides used such a strategy in round 13.

Exilition cheating, jury's out as far as i'm concerned, I don't want to hear about it because it just gets into some inherently pointless flamewar. I'd be a bit more careful about the tone of your post though - it sounds more that you're pleased you got away with it rather than that you haven't done anything, but that's simply how I perceive it.

[MiX]

Originally Posted by lokken

'flak' alliances have been existing since the beginnning of time and to suggest they aren't a legitimate tactic is patently ridiculous. Solid alliances get smaller ones floating around them in PA out of the natural order of things, so please, don't even suggest that there's something to have political capital to be made out of, considering both sides used such a strategy in round 13....

If this was refering to my post (if not then dont mind my replie ) I do know flak is a legitimate tactic however I would consider the alliance who made ABUSE if this tactic "bad". Abuse is imo more then was done this round by any of the alliances.

[jerome]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Well, 1up has it all really ...

The good guy: Mazzelaar
The bad guy: jerome
The ugly guy: zhil

they even got the bonus edition ...

The fat guy: TheRat

So what do we conclude? that this thread again is all about 1up and nothing else, good job posting free PR for them guys ...

why on earth would ANYONE call me bad?!


also, we have quite a few proposals for ugly guys: cyph, forest, minty etc heh, not to mention idler backing up therat for the fatties.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by MiX

If this was refering to my post (if not then dont mind my replie ) I do know flak is a legitimate tactic however I would consider the alliance who made ABUSE if this tactic "bad". Abuse is imo more then was done this round by any of the alliances.

Abuse would be using flak to stifle the game. 'Flak' in the r13 was anyone who wasn't 1up, Exiltion and Angels (because by their nature they could not be flak). They didn't do it in round 12, and in round 11 for all intents and purposes they were unallied for vast swathes of it. Abuse (if you were there) is a Fury/Legion block type situation where the game is over pretty swiftly and no one dares take a gamble.

My reply was more to locknload. For the record he didn't want to take me on on AD - he took the chicken's way out and used the reputation function. If he thinks i'm getting the wrong end of the stick (when i'm just referring to the tone of his post and not accusing anyone of anything) he could have posted and easily assured the forum he meant otherwise. Instead he's left his post open to question until he takes action upon it.

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Well, 1up has it all really ...

The good guy: Mazzelaar
The bad guy: jerome
The ugly guy: zhil

they even got the bonus edition ...

The fat guy: TheRat

So what do we conclude? that this thread again is all about 1up and nothing else, good job posting free PR for them guys ...

I'm not fking ugly.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by lokken

it sounds more that you're pleased you got away with it rather than that you haven't done anything

quoted for truth baby<3

this is borderline, please be a bit more careful, ta

[LocknLoad]

Originally Posted by lokken

My reply was more to locknload. For the record he didn't want to take me on on AD - he took the chicken's way out and used the reputation function. If he thinks i'm getting the wrong end of the stick (when i'm just referring to the tone of his post and not accusing anyone of anything) he could have posted and easily assured the forum he meant otherwise. Instead he's left his post open to question until he takes action upon it.

I did it that way to prevent what you call flaming. I could have done it in pm but negative rep was most called for. But since you want the public to know here it is. "Basically" I said that lokken most often interprets things wrong on these boards. My post was not open to question accept for the question you made up by reading between the lines which there was nothing there to read. A chickens way out would not have signed their rep. You just read what you think is written and not what is actually wrote 90% of the time. Which imo is not a good thing for a forum mod. Plus your opinion is bias 95% of the time. You in no way can win most AD battles unless you use your mod powers, again a fact. So it best you just climb back in your almighty hole and get back to what you are suppose to be doing, what ever that may be I sure don’t know. I'm not here to debate you but just to state what a complete idiot you are.

I did not say prove it because I was pleased of nothing. I said prove it cause I'm sick people saying there was cheating when there was not. Dont say it if you cant prove it.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by _ryzekiel_

why on earth would ANYONE call me bad?!


also, we have quite a few proposals for ugly guys: cyph, forest, minty etc heh, not to mention idler backing up therat for the fatties.

Like I said, 1up has it all ... I'm sure you got great stand-ins for every type

(though nobody can replace you as the bad guy ...)

[lokken]

Originally Posted by LocknLoad

I did it that way to prevent what you call flaming. I could have done it in pm but negative rep was most called for. But since you want the public to know here it is. "Basically" I said that lokken most often interprets things wrong on these boards. My post was not open to question accept for the question you made up by reading between the lines which there was nothing there to read. A chickens way out would not have signed their rep. You just read what you think is written and not what is actually wrote 90% of the time. Which imo is not a good thing for a forum mod. Plus your opinion is bias 95% of the time. You in no way can win most AD battles unless you use your mod powers, again a fact. So it best you just climb back in your almighty hole and get back to what you are suppose to be doing, what ever that may be I sure don’t know. I'm not here to debate you but just to state what a complete idiot you are.

I did not say prove it because I was pleased of nothing. I said prove it cause I'm sick people saying there was cheating when there was not. Dont say it if you cant prove it.

The first paragraph is entirely unnecessary in my view; if you've got a problem with my credibility that's your bad luck - as a moderator I don't abuse my powers, and we won't rise to any kind of bait as to whether we're biased or not, as moderators are picked on their ability to make good posts on the forums. As much as we don't expect to be immune from criticism, we know our responsibilities to the forum and will carry them out regardless. You aren't the first to attack my credibility, won't be the last, but bravo for trying it anyway - if you have a problem JammyJim is the man to call.

The second paragraph is exactly what we were all looking for - that's all it had to take. Seriously, you can make it far easier for yourself.

[noah02]

Originally Posted by LocknLoad

I did not say prove it because I was pleased of nothing. I said prove it cause I'm sick people saying there was cheating when there was not. Dont say it if you cant prove it.

Just an odd question coz i aint that switched on but is VNC or whatever it is called when you login to other ppls computers unproveable?
This isnt a specific question to you locknload because I dont know if anyone cheated or not and I dont really care tbh coz i had a good round.
So question goes out to anyone who knows the answer please.

Edit: if this is slightly of topic apologies just seemed a good time to ask question.

[Rikard]

We didnt cheat.
The reason why there was no proof found of us cheating is because there is no proof.
You cant find proof if there is no proof (unless ofc. you forge it).
We dont cheat.
eod.

[bwtmc]

Well Noah, you can enquire as to whether the program's being used on the clients computer (though the illegality there is more than questionable). Given the terms and conditions, the admins can then close an account and there's not much the player involved can do. That is, if they decide the software is being used maliciously. That's the only real action that can be taken as far as i'm aware.

Rikard, a good eXilition player just let's that pass and moves on. Learn to be that good player. I can't believe on the 26th June you could really be bothered to post that - I know the friends I have in Ex wouldn't bother!

[Zo0f]

Originally Posted by noah02

Just an odd question coz i aint that switched on but is VNC or whatever it is called when you login to other ppls computers unproveable?

While there may well be a way to prove it, no-one has come up with one yet. That is the main reason it has become so popular in my opinion. You can accuse someone of using it and not need proof, as its not possible to get proof. Which can be used in arguements against and for someone using it.

(edit: As the above poster stated, you can findout wether someones computer has the VNC ports open or not, what you cannot ever prove, is wether they used it to break rules in Planetarion)

Anyway, back to trying to find something to entertain me, god I hate sundays

[Rikard]

Originally Posted by bwtmc

Well Noah, you can enquire as to whether the program's being used on the clients computer (though the illegality there is more than questionable). Given the terms and conditions, the admins can then close an account and there's not much the player involved can do. That is, if they decide the software is being used maliciously. That's the only real action that can be taken as far as i'm aware.

Rikard, a good eXilition player just let's that pass and moves on. Learn to be that good player. I can't believe on the 26th June you could really be bothered to post that - I know the friends I have in Ex wouldn't bother!

i ended 995th. good is nothing to qualify me with.

[Atolla]

Legion = Good
IPC = Bad
Scandinavian Legion = Ugleh

[Neferti]

IPC = bad? In what way were IPC evil?

[Dotatrix]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

And here i was walking around thinking i was the evil one. Cant someone just HATE me for once? Jezzz, Kargool gets all the PR and there's nothing left for me

I hate you!

You are so badass

[Atolla]

Originally Posted by Neferti

IPC = bad? In what way were IPC evil?

Well , it's my own opinion becase my wing roided the heck out of them rd3 and we didnt encountered any resistance.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Atolla

Well , it's my own opinion becase my wing roided the heck out of them rd3 and we didnt encountered any resistance.

I think the meaning of bad in this thread is the "evil" one rather then the "sucky useless weak" one

[Neferti]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I think the meaning of bad in this thread is the "evil" one rather then the "sucky useless weak" one

That's what I thought too.

Besides, IPC have been dead for over a year now...

[Atolla]

They were evil round 2.

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by Atolla

They were evil round 2.

for about 3 weeks until fury/conc reduced them to a pile of nothing

[Neferti]

They were?

I don't know what IPC got up to in round 2, what happened?

[Hurragutten]

TFD is good

[berzerker]

I've never had issues with other alliances. Totally impartial.

[Atolla]

Originally Posted by I am Idler

for about 3 weeks until fury/conc reduced them to a pile of nothing

'
Indeed

[Psi_K]

The Good : Titans (my opinions, so twat off anyone commenting)
The Bad : Fury! (evul Fury!)
The Ugly: SL!!!!! (no explaination required)

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by Hurragutten

TFD is good

Good like a bunch of boyscouts.