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Unread 5 Mar 2011, 00:52   #1
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Unread 5 Mar 2011, 01:03   #2
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It's not possible to have stats that don't suck. Prove me wrong.
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It's not possible to have stats that don't suck. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Round 41 Stats

I want to complain about PA being left to die a slow death. Isn't it time to stop the agony ?
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Unread 6 Mar 2011, 02:10   #7
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Re: Round 41 Stats

oh that's the solution ?
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offtopic going record! Well done!
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Re: Round 41 Stats

who cares about stats (that aren't even published) ?
See the announcement for R41 ? No improvement whatsoever, just the same rotting game put in your plate again... bon appetit ! Changing stats is just here to make you believe there are people caring for the game in PA team when the truth is they're just waiting for all of us to leave.
Even something as simple as removing the salvage for the last week (to eliminate the massive cheating with donations) they won't do. They're past faking any interest in PA.
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Unread 6 Mar 2011, 17:48   #10
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I was quite serious. If you think PA sucks and you think there's no way it'll improve, then why don't you stop playing? Why are you still here? If you hate PA so much, then go away.
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I was quite serious. If you think PA sucks and you think there's no way it'll improve, then why don't you stop playing? Why are you still here? If you hate PA so much, then go away.
PA sucks coz PA Team and Jagex let it suck on purpose. There is no will to improve it in any way. I don't hate PA (I wouldn't have played since 2001 otherwise), I hate the people responsible for its current state and I hate them more for trying to fool us, one more time.
This topic is pointless, being off topic is the only sensible answer to it.
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Well there's certainly a break with the past! (That your work?)
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Re: Round 41 Stats

http://beta.planetarion.com/manual.pl?page=stats
http://beta.planetarion.com/statsana...?rn=7476746864

Whoever Is making the stats could they take the time to explain their thinking for each attack fleet per race?

(All I see is poor stats... that are worse than last round.
That means another fi/co round with mass team ups to land anything and with the exception of terran who needs hulls 3 for anti cr but since it is only cath that has a cr fleet for roiding all the ter needs to do is build chims as freezer flak and get frig class anti cr off alliance/ingal)
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I actually agree with Paisley these stats are HUGELY fi/co based. I say remove fi/co pods for 1 round and see what happens.
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Re: Round 41 Stats

I am exceedingly surprised, then.
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I actually agree with Paisley these stats are HUGELY fi/co based. I say remove fi/co pods for 1 round and see what happens.
I would say keep fi/co class pods in but give the Players a choice of their fleet set up rather than having to conform playing to a certain setup not to their preference due to weak stats.

Notch last round bs/cr fleets down to experience Tiamat.
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The Fact that Fi/co is playable through all 5 of the races means that everyone will. Fr/de Isnt playable if 90% of the universe is Fi/co, leaving cr/bs to be the only other viable option and lets be realistic its not that good. But hopefully Appocomaster will hear this and change these stats to a point where everything is playable.
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we all know you can talk to him 2 minutes before he finalizes him... why bother now. :P
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i didnt even have to talk to him he fix most of zik's problems and most of ter's issues. So im happy still have problems with zik co/ter fi/ cat fi/ and xan fi. All of of which are the best def vs each other. hopefully change fi's t1 to co and co's t1 to fi...
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I have problems with any stats that again result in another boring fico round. No amount of fixing will fix fico based stats.
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Re: Round 41 Stats

Stats aren't fi/co based, the game is.

The only way to keep people from going fi/co is by making it so shit compared to the other options that it's not worth the ETA advantage. Something these stats are not even close to.
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what joker is doing the stats?
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So instead of making fi/co SO shitty why not make a new class of ship that sends ally def at eta 6 and cant be sent on attacks. Thus removing the eta advantage of fi/co.
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So instead of making fi/co SO shitty why not make a new class of ship that sends ally def at eta 6 and cant be sent on attacks. Thus removing the eta advantage of fi/co.
Asking pateam to actually code anything meaningful into the game is utterly pointless. You might as well start asking for a perfect set of stats. And that's not just in relation to making ships impossible to send on attack (because after all if you just made no pods in that class it'd be fine), you can't even add a new class or new eta.
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yoshi would do a better job than this, even i managed to see how crap these are and im crap at stats.
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Re: Round 41 Stats

Dear Points of Veiw,

How has Magnus been allowed to tweak stats?? He is in beta playing Terran Fi which by tweaking he has blatantly overpowered.. he has wrecked zik co.. and made xan co unplayable, and lets not even get started on the Cat fi!!

I would like to know why a ROCK HC is being allowed to fiddle with stats. He gives his alliance anunfair advantage and he has no proven integrity to back up his unbiased claims... apart from his block jumping allies antics last round...



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Kaiba maybe there is nobody else who volunteered. I think Magnus done quite well and the reason for stats being released as beta is to have time to tweak them based on community feedback.

Word to everyone: Rather than emoing about how bad the stats are come up with concrete suggestions on how to improve it. Or if you like to do try to set up your own stats and see how long it'll take to get anything semi decent to work.

People that don't contribute to improve the game shouldn't talk too much here I think.

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Re: Round 41 Stats

Betas always have been and always will remain a retarded method of testing out stats beyond the basic "have we forgotten to do something obvious".

Personally I'd increase the efficiency of every fr/de class anti-fi/co by 10-15%. And uh try to do something with ter bs (make it invincible or something, like 800+ a/c and 450+ d/c). I assume cath cr is actually a mistake as nobody could seriously think a halfway viable cr fleet would involve emping fr at 50% efficiency. And zik is sort of gay for what zik should be. No fi or fr ships to build if you steal those classes and lots of ships targeting their own class t1 (this makes for weakass shit, use a bcalc to check it out). I don't think etd bs as it is is viable either.

Personally I'd view the stats as they are as providing two options. Spam fi/co or go xan/etd fr with phantoms and vindicators. Nothing else is remotely playable as a strategy and to be honest if everyone else in the universe goes fi/co then the second one will suck regardless. So yeah, make the cr/bs fleets and the fr/de class anti-fi/co better.
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I know this is long shot but how about a round with no fico pods give every race a fr/de pod and a cr/bs pods I'd like to see what happens making fico only useable for defence I'm just back from pub but its an honest answer id really like to see this give defence more opportunity and allows more sleep for the lamer players just a thought to mix things up.

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Kaiba maybe there is nobody else who volunteered. I think Magnus done quite well and the reason for stats being released as beta is to have time to tweak them based on community feedback.

Word to everyone: Rather than emoing about how bad the stats are come up with concrete suggestions on how to improve it. Or if you like to do try to set up your own stats and see how long it'll take to get anything semi decent to work.

People that don't contribute to improve the game shouldn't talk too much here I think.

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Kaiba maybe there is nobody else who volunteered. I think Magnus done quite well and the reason for stats being released as beta is to have time to tweak them based on community feedback.

Word to everyone: Rather than emoing about how bad the stats are come up with concrete suggestions on how to improve it. Or if you like to do try to set up your own stats and see how long it'll take to get anything semi decent to work.

People that don't contribute to improve the game shouldn't talk too much here I think.
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Again I invite Magnus to do a post on this forum explaining his thinking on each attack fleet strategy... Unlike Alliance discussion, Strategic discussion isn't a flame fest (Monroe The SD MOD runs a tight ship that way)

If there is a genuine shortage of stats suggestions I am sure the PA community can put some stat suggestions up (If I don't see an explaination from magnus in the next 2-3 days I might just do that)
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Unlike Alliance discussion, Strategic discussion isn't a flame fest (Monroe The SD MOD runs a tight ship that way)
Yes, I will remind everyone like I seem to have to do every round, object to or defend the stats as much as you wish, but please limit the flaming or I will close the thread.

In my opinion it would be great to have Magnus post on this thread so that we can have some healthy debate on the merits of the stats he is putting together. Stats always end up as a very polarized discussion for some reason, but healthy things can come out of the debate.
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https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc...CIab1asE#gid=0

Those are the stats that im suggesting that appoco put into the beta im open to flaming/bashing/constructive critisim/comments/whatever
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Sigh, are the pa team actively trying to make the stats worse every round?

Please make ter bs uber to make fico whoring less viable!
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Those are the stats that im suggesting that appoco put into the beta im open to flaming/bashing/constructive critisim/comments/whatever
Considering they have chosen the stats for round 41 your time would probably be better spent giving suggestions on what changes are needed to those stats to make them better
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Re: Round 41 Stats

In case you didnt notice i did use the stats proposed and made suggested Changes to them. I didnt make my own stats. I fixed the oringal ones to a set that is balanced and fair for all fleet types.
And it doesnt take that much to see that aside from the changes to Etd. Heck i even highlighted all my changes. And i will back each and everyone of them up with a reason for the change, and those reasons wont be "i like ter"

So please make informed commentary use your brain and for god sake. If you have something to say about the stats themselves then say it.
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Has anything changed in the stats recently or are they still fico biased?
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Re: Round 41 Stats

They're more biased towards Xan/Etd Fr now really. Still, anyone not going Fi, Co or Fr will be mere farms.
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Lame. Ter BS looks beyond horrible.
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Re: Round 41 Stats

I have proposed the following 2 changes:
Cutlass t1->fi t2->co
Smuggler t1 -> fr t2-De

Would make zik somewhat more playable. It helps fix the self steals that zik has now:
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=vq4r30h4adupdev
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=81izyc20t5rr0b3

Also the changes would help zik Co deal with all the fi that will be flying around, it closes the free steal on xan co and makes them t1 phantoms.

As for the smuggler since its t1 is DE and there are only 5 DE ships(aside from pods/sk's) and out of those 3 of them are zik and the only de roiding fleet, one of them doesnt target de at all, and the 3rd is spirit which t2's De. So please god why is it t1 De. When classes T1 themselves it only begs to be suicide def from smaller planets. Changing smuggler to Fr/de means it will pack a punch vs those etd/xan fr's instead of it just being wimpy calcs:

http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=um3is9v0o0uszth
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=lwqd27ahyuiymm4
Both VERY sketchy for zik De and considering that etd and xan fr are quite possible the best matchups for zik De its still not that good. Switching the target on smuggler will GREATly help them.

Aside from everything the stats will be fi dominated. Fr might put up a fighting chance for a bit, but will eventually be overrun by Fi.
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hik0h4okkr5er8l
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=iymm4rc75x4d2r3
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=1p1njieirqm6bbh

The 3 Xan Fr match ups vs fi. All losses by any reasonable standard.

As for etd fr:
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=rx4vpl28r33tuvt
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=ept3kr6imgfbe98
http://beta.planetarion.com/bcalc.pl?id=hyuiymm4rc75x4d

So Fr might be ok in OVERWHELMING numbers but because of eta advantage on the fi it will naturally go in the favor of fi.

This might be fixed by changing shadow or pillager to have T1 fi prolly the pillager make it fi/fr/co the opposite of the shadow co/fr/fi. This will make the fr team up stronger vs the fi as neither of them t1's fi.

As far as the cr/bs goes cath/ter/etd team ups are going to hard to beat. Cath are very strong actually the scorp is better as a kill ship because only the clipper targets cr. As for the Locust in a round of fi/co
most allys will be using fr as def. The emping power of locust is very good(not overly strong either). Wyvren if bad init is a VERY strong ship that packs a big punch, and since Tycoon is good init it will stop the scorpion defs that may happen. but i can not see cr/bs being any sort of viable alliance plan.

So we are back to cath/etd/ter fi team up, and for later in the round they have the option to do a very good cr/bs team up.

My opinion is if stats stay the way they are ETD fi will dominate second to Ter Fi and 3rd to either xan/etd fr. Cath isnt that good as a top planet option, it will as always make a good xp whoring race mono beets. Zik might be a wildcard race but dont expect to get much out of it.

Etd/Ter Highvalue high roid planets
Xan: good support
Zik Wild card
Cath silver bullet race will make great team up partners but otherwise not gona be that usefull on there own.

Feel free to object to any or all of this but dont just say "your stupid" if you have a point Make it.
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You'll never see me just say "your stupid".

Ever.


Don't have time today to give my own analysis, but there's still 2+ weeks left.
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Patrikc I know your response are thought out and well developed.
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I was referring to "your stupid" being grammatically incorrect, but thanks.

My main concern with cr/bs not being viable is fi/co being too viable, making cr/bs too easily overrun. Cat/Etd/Ter not able to stick to 3 ships when going cr/bs hurts them a lot. You CAN build fi/co + one ship, but not the other way around.
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Patrikc what happened to your stats? I really wanted to see them
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Aside from having some things pop up this week, I heard these current stats were going to be used regardless, so I lost some hope there. And the perfectionist in me is still seeing some small issues every now and then, but I'll post it anyway even if it's not polished up yet.
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Who the hell would go anything except FR with these stats?
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