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Unread 25 Feb 2011, 14:48   #551
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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erm the gangbangers are winning, how else did apprime take ct down this round?
You started the gangbang if i remember correctly.
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Unread 25 Feb 2011, 17:07   #552
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Show me where rock fenced please hunter as we didn't we always been warring apprime start of round then hit ct then nd then had breather, which we hit ct/nd helpers then went all out on ct and nd.

After this we then decided apprime did a shitty thing so went to war with app rock hasn't fenced we been fighting all round one side or other oddr has roids cause they played policy fencing smart and well played its what rock wanted to do but I said fencing bites you in the ass so it was never gunna happen under my watch.

Xvx have played a smart game too not aligning too heavy with anyone so welldone there.

Apprime had played it smart till they went against agreements rock would have happily not gone for 1st if apprime had remained loyal they chose not to which has had this effect.

Ct and nd both played very well I have been impressed with nd defensively best ally defensively this round I feel, as for ct there attacks are much more to worry about then apprime they coordinate cleverly hitting the correct gals.

I also hate saying this but hex has done great I feel there most improved ally this round and deserve some respect for that.

I will also mention S.P.Q.R they stood by us early round in attacks lovely bunch of people and I expect great things in the future from them, very loyal and very respectable.
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Unread 25 Feb 2011, 17:52   #553
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I never said rock didnt war. Rock got their roids an drank while on apps side. We took 90% of incoming rock got free roids more or less without any inc.

We broke what agreement exactly?
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Repeating again oh well you defended nd vs rock for starters.

And was it not rock who lost 10k roids to nd then another 10k to ct we have lost plenty keep up with the times or don't respond as people who have no clue what's happened shouldn't indulge in petty argumentative remarks.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

You lost 20k roids in 2 days when you were targeted yes. It was your own fault as your defence is total crap and mostly you didnt defend at all then.
As for us defending rock defended vs our attacks a couple of times also it doesnt matter tho . We all know its only an excuse for you to switch sides. It doesnt matter it is how it is now.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Actually apprime isn't landing much on us defence isn't crap when ct etc hit I said don't bother defending attack get xp instead they get bored of roiding us eventually which they did I knew rock had the ability to roid back fast like we did its a matter of judging your alliances potential and capacity and doing what ya feel is best.

As I know we recalled every defence we sent vs app some players even got exiled for recalling defences.

Ontop of this app attacked rock many times only one that I know recalled was the zwan guy very nice guy and I won't forget his quick response and recall things like that I hold in high regard honourable play.
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You lost 20k roids in 2 days when you were targeted yes. It was your own fault as your defence is total crap and mostly you didnt defend at all then.
As for us defending rock defended vs our attacks a couple of times also it doesnt matter tho . We all know its only an excuse for you to switch sides. It doesnt matter it is how it is now.
When you have 300 fleets inc from 5 alliances its hard 2 cover all ^^
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And how exactly Rock got their rank and roids?
By earning them? We have been (if you hadnt noticed) the talk all round. First of all hitting Apprime with the ct/nd block. Then of course joining Apprime to hit the ct/nd block. Getting hit by 5 alliances in 2 nights. Now as we thought we would keep the round interesting (plus the fact oddr asked us too but then bailed out) we decided to hit Apprime. We havent fenced at all. So im curious what this statement means exactly? We have been targetted, we havent sat there making agreements to avoid incoming. Apprime are hitting us now, maybe not as firebird puts it 'full force' but your not exactly landing much are you considering our defence is apparently in your words 'so shit'
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When you have 300 fleets inc from 5 alliances its hard 2 cover all ^^
Happens to every alliance atleast once a round nature of the game
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By earning them? We have been (if you hadnt noticed) the talk all round. First of all hitting Apprime with the ct/nd block. Then of course joining Apprime to hit the ct/nd block. Getting hit by 5 alliances in 2 nights. Now as we thought we would keep the round interesting (plus the fact oddr asked us too but then bailed out) we decided to hit Apprime. We havent fenced at all. So im curious what this statement means exactly? We have been targetted, we havent sat there making agreements to avoid incoming. Apprime are hitting us now, maybe not as firebird puts it 'full force' but your not exactly landing much are you considering our defence is apparently in your words 'so shit'
Mayb you should have made agreements to avoid incoming, could have been #1 already
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Mayb you should have made agreements to avoid incoming, could have been #1 already
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Cheers for that zhil my fellow brummie... lol But i love ROCK been HC there 3 times as well as leading one of the teams in ROCKJr... so hush before i come slap you in your shop
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Our name isnt oddr
Never said it, but it would have helped more.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

rock should tnk app tbh. if it wasnt for app, nd/ct would have killed them. i remember many times rock came to ask app to fc CT top planets, coz rock cant do it.

and ct that says they got gangbanged LOL. ct/nd/whh/hr has been hitting app all round long. Rock was also part of it, then left and came back. App fought mostly on its own, ODDR was helping rock against ND. There was only a couple days i believe APP joined rock on ct/nd. 90% it was app hitting ct/nd and 1 night hitting WHH.

anyway: when next rounds nd/ct decide to farm rock, dont come to ask app for help . also it will be very hard for rock to lose their image (threaten them and they will do what u ask), i believe alliances will take advantage of this.
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rock should tnk app tbh. if it wasnt for app, nd/ct would have killed them. i remember many times rock came to ask app to fc CT top planets, coz rock cant do it.

and ct that says they got gangbanged LOL. ct/nd/whh/hr has been hitting app all round long. Rock was also part of it, then left and came back. App fought mostly on its own, ODDR was helping rock against ND. There was only a couple days i believe APP joined rock on ct/nd. 90% it was app hitting ct/nd and 1 night hitting WHH.

anyway: when next rounds nd/ct decide to farm rock, dont come to ask app for help . also it will be very hard for rock to lose their image (threaten them and they will do what u ask), i believe alliances will take advantage of this.
Pardon? it was Apprime who were pming ROCK to turn its back on CT/ND when of course these 'trust' issues were happening. I didnt see Apprime 'helping' when we had 2 nights of CT/ND/Hr/whh/hex hitting us. I must of missed when Apprime came to our aid. If anything Apprime used ROCK as flack. We attacked with you more then just 2 nights. If anything we helped you by joining your block. And the only reason why of course we had to turn to ODDR against ND was becuase Apprime had temp napped them (ND) so therefore hung us out to dry. So think youll find Apprime helped themselves.
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Pardon? it was Apprime who were pming ROCK to turn its back on CT/ND when of course these 'trust' issues were happening. I didnt see Apprime 'helping' when we had 2 nights of CT/ND/Hr/whh/hex hitting us. I must of missed when Apprime came to our aid. If anything Apprime used ROCK as flack. We attacked with you more then just 2 nights. If anything we helped you by joining your block. And the only reason why of course we had to turn to ODDR against ND was becuase Apprime had temp napped them (ND) so therefore hung us out to dry. So think youll find Apprime helped themselves.
pretty much correct, just the true issues were also CT and ND wanting Rocks help to destroy the other one if the block knocked Apprime down enough. There was no plans in place to roid Rock dry, just talk on how to come out of the block in the strongest position (both CT and ND thought that would be by having Rock as an ally).
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Pardon? it was Apprime who were pming ROCK to turn its back on CT/ND when of course these 'trust' issues were happening. I didnt see Apprime 'helping' when we had 2 nights of CT/ND/Hr/whh/hex hitting us. I must of missed when Apprime came to our aid. If anything Apprime used ROCK as flack. We attacked with you more then just 2 nights. If anything we helped you by joining your block. And the only reason why of course we had to turn to ODDR against ND was becuase Apprime had temp napped them (ND) so therefore hung us out to dry. So think youll find Apprime helped themselves.
wow man, u had 2 nights of a block incs. and what does app have to do to that? ground and defend rock? when u had block incs for 2 nights, app attacked ct/nd (what app was doing all round)

thats the best help u can get coz app doesnt owe anything to rock. Where was rock then when app had incs from block all round?

and what u mean by temp nap to ND? there was no such thing becuz app will not work with ct/nd who are leading block against them. its a fact that app was hostile to both ct/nd all round, app wont babysit rock against ND CT incs coz app will hit their enemies anyway but not to help you or something.

u decided that ct/nd were betraying you and left them, since then u had not many friends left u figured you have the same enemies as apprime does.

u responsible to defend your alliance, NOT app
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Btw how did app use rock as flak? didnt rock itself choose to break from ct/nd? u should be happy that when ct/hr/whh/nd gangraped rock, app didnt stay idle and just watch u die while it could have. so plsss stop whining
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and what u mean by temp nap to ND? there was no such thing
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Pardon? it was Apprime who were pming ROCK to turn its back on CT/ND when of course these 'trust' issues were happening. I didnt see Apprime 'helping' when we had 2 nights of CT/ND/Hr/whh/hex hitting us. I must of missed when Apprime came to our aid. If anything Apprime used ROCK as flack. We attacked with you more then just 2 nights. If anything we helped you by joining your block. And the only reason why of course we had to turn to ODDR against ND was becuase Apprime had temp napped them (ND) so therefore hung us out to dry. So think youll find Apprime helped themselves.
It was a 2 or 3 day cease fire with nd we targeted ct then and nd targeted hex not rock it was before rock was targeted.
What aid? At the time rock was targeted we were attacking ct and we even setup a few fcs on the fleets that landed on rock Hut died then. What else could have we done?
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wow man, u had 2 nights of a block incs. and what does app have to do to that? ground and defend rock? when u had block incs for 2 nights, app attacked ct/nd (what app was doing all round)

thats the best help u can get coz app doesnt owe anything to rock. Where was rock then when app had incs from block all round?

and what u mean by temp nap to ND? there was no such thing becuz app will not work with ct/nd who are leading block against them. its a fact that app was hostile to both ct/nd all round, app wont babysit rock against ND CT incs coz app will hit their enemies anyway but not to help you or something.

u decided that ct/nd were betraying you and left them, since then u had not many friends left u figured you have the same enemies as apprime does.

u responsible to defend your alliance, NOT app
Ok so let me get this straight, were you in the joint attack channels at all while we worked alongside apprime with oddr? I was. I witnessed us (ROCK) pretty much attack what ever Apprime told us to hit. Which is why i got so angry with my own HC (ie we were your flak) i stepped down as BC. So yes you used us. One night we would be hitting ND (becuase it suited you) then we would be sent after CT (which of course lead to CT hitting us in that 2 night massacre which took preasure off you... which YOU KNEW would happen... heck a blind man could of predicted that so we were used as skape goats)

Again did you not reasd my reply to you? Cain pmed us trying to get us to turn on the CT/ND block becuase of course its one less alliance giving you preasure. So thats how you 'owe us' as you put it. And what exactly did ROCK benefit from been alongside you other then as i said above pretty much hitting who you told us too and then getting hit by ct and the rest of the allies becuase of it?

Also i sugest you work on your intel, ND even admitted they had a temp week avoidence/nap with you when we first turned against the ND/CT block. Hence why you refused to hit them when we were having that 'mini war' (hence why i said ODDR stepped in to help as Apprime couldnt due to this agreement) ND even admitted themselves (and was a fantastic tactic actually by them) they did it to of course force ROCK to change tactics again. So yes you did have a temp nap/avoidence agreement no matter how much you try to deny it.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

i have to agree with APP on this one. Only reason both rock and oddr did so well is because of app flakking for us most of the round.

well oddr did well till last weekend , then we became the new ND
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

ok, rnd starts... ct have pre rnd nap with 2 alliances, rock has pre rnd nap with oddr and prolly xvx . apprime stands alone.

apprime take a lead, ct/rock/nd/tof/hr and some flack hit apprime for a long time... so apprime drop to 3rd. so gangbang 1 on apprime is under process.

Apprime has no roids left, and become bad targets, so what does rock do? jump to the other side and get xvx and oddr with them.. and gang bang ct/nd with apprime. apprime and rock and oddr and xvx become fat again. and ct/nd drop.

so to recap: ct/nd/app have been gang banged so far. yet rock no real incms.

then, after ct/nd are dry from roids.. we even roided whh for a night.. and targets became lame.

what happens? rock and co jump again to ct/nd side and gang bang apprime. (with out prior notice btw.) we just saw PL's and when asked about it, rock HC's just parted chans few ours before attacks launched. ( real classy stuff )

so gang bang #2 on apprime starts.then cause oddr decided not to join the app gang bang they get incms also.

so apprime decided to hit rock, till the end, cause apprime obvsly felt backstabbed.
now ofc hitting rock and getting nd/ct/rock/whh incms at the same time... is not really effective. which is why rock still did well in the last few days of the war with apprime.

now last night, the block decides to hit oddr again.. and apprime got only rock incms. so for the first time. it was 1 vs 1. i think apprime went +6% and rock went -5% on roids... i am not trying to be cocky.. but stating facts.


so assasin and demort, care to explain when did rock get real incms?
why CT/ND/XVX are not all hitting rock at this moment, is soemthing beyond my understanding...

any way the conclusion is,i think the only alliances that got gang banged this rnd are app/ct then ND abit less and oddr .

other than that.. non got real incms.

ps: when i talked about rock HC's , i don't mean pa_bear cause i know he would have never approved those actions, as he respects his words. but i guess when ur surrounded by lots of poeple who feed you with wrong and un experienced opinions.. u tend to just take a seat back.. and let majority rule
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Ok so let me get this straight, were you in the joint attack channels at all while we worked alongside apprime with oddr? I was. I witnessed us (ROCK) pretty much attack what ever Apprime told us to hit. Which is why i got so angry with my own HC (ie we were your flak) i stepped down as BC. So yes you used us. One night we would be hitting ND (becuase it suited you) then we would be sent after CT (which of course lead to CT hitting us in that 2 night massacre which took preasure off you... which YOU KNEW would happen... heck a blind man could of predicted that so we were used as skape goats)

Again did you not reasd my reply to you? Cain pmed us trying to get us to turn on the CT/ND block becuase of course its one less alliance giving you preasure. So thats how you 'owe us' as you put it. And what exactly did ROCK benefit from been alongside you other then as i said above pretty much hitting who you told us too and then getting hit by ct and the rest of the allies becuase of it?

Also i sugest you work on your intel, ND even admitted they had a temp week avoidence/nap with you when we first turned against the ND/CT block. Hence why you refused to hit them when we were having that 'mini war' (hence why i said ODDR stepped in to help as Apprime couldnt due to this agreement) ND even admitted themselves (and was a fantastic tactic actually by them) they did it to of course force ROCK to change tactics again. So yes you did have a temp nap/avoidence agreement no matter how much you try to deny it.
who denied the nap???
we went and napped you, while u had a secret ceasefire with CT. loool
so after we found out, we had an ND cease fire for 2 days.
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Ok so let me get this straight, were you in the joint attack channels at all while we worked alongside apprime with oddr? I was. I witnessed us (ROCK) pretty much attack what ever Apprime told us to hit. Which is why i got so angry with my own HC (ie we were your flak) i stepped down as BC. So yes you used us. One night we would be hitting ND (becuase it suited you) then we would be sent after CT (which of course lead to CT hitting us in that 2 night massacre which took preasure off you... which YOU KNEW would happen... heck a blind man could of predicted that so we were used as skape goats)

Again did you not reasd my reply to you? Cain pmed us trying to get us to turn on the CT/ND block becuase of course its one less alliance giving you preasure. So thats how you 'owe us' as you put it. And what exactly did ROCK benefit from been alongside you other then as i said above pretty much hitting who you told us too and then getting hit by ct and the rest of the allies becuase of it?
Why are you saying this Assassin? Don't give me this shit on Apprime using ROCK. We picked targets cause most of the time you guys weren't doing it. You got fat from hitting the same alliance we were while recieving no incomming from them whatsoever. Apprime has been a rocketshield for a few alliances this round. Ct created a block to even out the round, i pm'd ROCK after they had a 10-13M value lead and were still hitting Apprime even after mr psycho sick death claimed it was just to even out the round.

ROCK benefit by being able to build some value instead of getting farmed by either side. In the long term we actually helped you building a better alliance by taking away your incomming and providing you with a stable income of roids. The way i see it you should be thanking us, cause all Apprime might get out of this is (maybe) winning another round.

And lets be honest here, winning ain't really interesting anymore either after doing it so many times. Personally i'm so used to winning that i might get 12 seconds of joy out of it. Then again... i'm the one and only awesome PR
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

It is interesting that the same sort of thing keeps happening to Apprime. Everyone's afraid of them (for good reason), but they are not very good politically, which makes it hard for them to manoeuvre their way out of gangbangs, as evidenced by their complaining about it every round.

Meanwhile, an alliance that's arguably less dangerous from a military perspective than Apprime, but arguably more gifted in the social aspect of PA moves in to take the prize (CT). Even if Apprime succeeds in pushing them back down the rankings, others will happily take their place (Rock) and yet others are queuing up (xVx).

Counter-intuitively, what Apprime needs is a single strong opponent, not a bunch of weaker ones.

As for Vampiria's, let's say... treatise: if what he says is correct, then Rock played a brilliant round so far, quite frankly.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

When all other alliances are not playing to win (except CT) it is VERY easy to play politics. You can cry about being weak needing help and other weak alliance will gladly join in to combine into an awesome weakass block.

This is not just cause of Apprime's politics, Asc has faced the same problem before App was even created. You say ROCK did brilliant while infact they recieved offer after offer and just went with it. Nothing special about it, the circumstances just allowed it.
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When all other alliances are not playing to win (except CT) it is VERY easy to play politics. You can cry about being weak needing help and other weak alliance will gladly join in to combine into an awesome weakass block.
Yep. Enemy of my enemy and all that jazz.

By the way, Rock switching from Apprime to CT/ND would indicate that they too are not interested in sitting out the round comfortably as #2.

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This is not just cause of Apprime's politics, Asc has faced the same problem before App was even created.
Both Ascendancy and Apprime have had to face gangbangs, no denying that. Similarly, both Apprime and Ascendancy are/were usually able to weather the storm.

However, Ascendancy were often able to change the political landscape around them (JBG's ultimatum post on AD in round 31(?) comes to mind), whereas Apprime has/had Cardinal. Ascendancy has also had the good opponents that you currently lack: Denial, Omen, Apprime. Since r35, only NFI has been a real threat to you militarily, and even they overblocked to get there and burned a load of bridges near the end.

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You say ROCK did brilliant while infact they recieved offer after offer and just went with it. Nothing special about it, the circumstances just allowed it.
They won't get a second chance, though. If they **** up the political game, they'll die hard. Someone earlier in this thread said they lost 20k roids in 2 days. While that was a slight exaggeration (it was 15k), this was earlier in the round. Near round end, 10-15k roidloss a night would not be unimaginable.

Apprime can take a beating, and then another beating, and then another, and still have the morale, the fleet value and the discipline to be dangerous. It doesn't always evolve like that (round 36 is a clear exception) but the ability is there.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I object to insinuations that NFI over-blocked. We had an almost-round long relationship with ND and were on generally good terms with CT throughout, but when App had the support of Asc, Osiris and ODDR for much of the round too (I can't remember who else played) - I'd say politics were pretty even. Also, App were actually good to work with come the end of the round, and cardi was among the first to offer congratulations so it's all good.
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As for Vampiria's, let's say... treatise: if what he says is correct
That depends if you consider a long time to be 2 days.

Bar that the rest of his post is mostly correct if not exactly uh, impartial.
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It was an objective observation that you had more allies than you needed in order to secure the win. It was not an insult, nor meant to downplay your achievement. NFI played solidly, had the political wherewithal to secure their flanks and won, fair and square.

It's not really that interesting a discussion, though, so I'll leave it at that.

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I object to insinuations that NFI over-blocked. We had an almost-round long relationship with ND and were on generally good terms with CT throughout, but when App had the support of Asc, Osiris and ODDR for much of the round too (I can't remember who else played) - I'd say politics were pretty even. Also, App were actually good to work with come the end of the round, and cardi was among the first to offer congratulations so it's all good.
Apprime had the support of pretty much none of those alliances for the relevant part of the round.
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12 seconds is about standard for you isn't it? ZING!

Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood
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Apprime had the support of pretty much none of those alliances for the relevant part of the round.
TBH i don't even remember when we joined app, prolly due to good relations all through the round. And what is for you the relevant part of the round. Might have been different for asc then for app.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

first of all, assassin: no need to diss u but ppl like you and paisley, who put their own ego's above their alliance and say do this or ill leave/step down. It doesnt contribute to your alliance disicprline or the politics sphere in pa. Just makes it retarted. Egotrippers bring down alliances and make them not reliable in the future to other allies.

While u are just rock bc, and spoonfed propaganda by likes of light (app is using rock as flak) and then make ur hc takes action that didnt serve rock interest (lost credibility and going down in ranking)

U make Rock look weak when u say 2nights of block incs decideds your policy, your weakness showed in the beginning when u got threatened to join block.

Ass: take some responsibility and distance urself from rock coz u only caused it harm in the end by egotrippin and not thinking longterm for your ally. rock had a good round, app was glad to see rock overtake nd/ct, that was great to see and payback ND/CT for blocking. Now rock will prolly end lower and damaged ur image!
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TBH i don't even remember when we joined app, prolly due to good relations all through the round. And what is for you the relevant part of the round.
When ascendancy, nfi and ND were hitting apprime and apprime had no allies and weren't even in first place at the time.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Funny how that goes.
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first of all, assassin: no need to diss u but ppl like you and paisley, who put their own ego's above their alliance and say do this or ill leave/step down. It doesnt contribute to your alliance disicprline or the politics sphere in pa. Just makes it retarted. Egotrippers bring down alliances and make them not reliable in the future to other allies.

While u are just rock bc, and spoonfed propaganda by likes of light (app is using rock as flak) and then make ur hc takes action that didnt serve rock interest (lost credibility and going down in ranking)

U make Rock look weak when u say 2nights of block incs decideds your policy, your weakness showed in the beginning when u got threatened to join block.

Ass: take some responsibility and distance urself from rock coz u only caused it harm in the end by egotrippin and not thinking longterm for your ally. rock had a good round, app was glad to see rock overtake nd/ct, that was great to see and payback ND/CT for blocking. Now rock will prolly end lower and damaged ur image!

I will adress this stupid post. I stepped down as BC due to there was no need for me to sit there and be told what we were hitting (ie i wasnt needed) i didnt give anyone an 'ego decision' as you put it nore have i once put my ideas/apinions onto anyone. So get your facts straight perhaps before trying to publically go for me on the forums? I stepped up to BC when no one else was doing it (ie doing day raids which then lead onto doing the night attacks) once i steped down others took the role so therefore i wasnt needed. So again, this is the sign of somone ego tripping as you put it by stepping up to help his alliance? I think not. ROCK didnt leave the Apprime block (the first and second time) due to me or light. If you bothered to read any of my posts at all in this thread this round you would see me say this, and i quote 'i wouldnt of joined either sides of this war, and would of gone neutral/fenced' So therefore i allowed no one to 'influence me' nor do i decide on ROCKs pollitics/force HC to do anything.

Reason why ROCK kept turing on Apprime was simple: The first time you had napped ND and not told us. And the second reason was pretty much becuase you allowed your members to defend ingal, but everytime this happend against you (ie us defending against you) you moaned like bitches to get it recalled. Plus as ive said now around 4 posts (feel like im repeating myself or people cant be bothered to read?) ODDR asked us to go against Apprime with them only to then decide once we broke the relations with Apprime to stick with them. So therefore it was ODDR who pushed for this only to backout. Anyway... maybe you should quit PA instead of advising me to walk away from an alliance that i have been off and on part off since round 6. Afterall, there must be a reason why you have constant read under your nick on these forums.... just a thought.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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first of all, assassin: no need to diss u but ppl like you and paisley, who put their own ego's above their alliance and say do this or ill leave/step down. It doesnt contribute to your alliance disicprline or the politics sphere in pa.
Just makes it retarted. Egotrippers bring down alliances and make them not reliable in the future to other allies.
Sounds familiar to some folk I know in ODDR?
Speaking of which was it fannybaws er I mean Firebird who closed a defence call On his own member so that his #11 gal mate could land for easy roids?

Something I haven't done ever in my time playing PA.

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However, Ascendancy were often able to change the political landscape around them (JBG's ultimatum post on AD in round 31(?) comes to mind), whereas Apprime has/had Cardinal. Ascendancy has also had the good opponents that you currently lack: Denial, Omen, Apprime. Since r35, only NFI has been a real threat to you militarily, and even they overblocked to get there and burned a load of bridges near the end.
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http://www.clawofdarkness.com/pawiki...Alliance_Ranks

I notice you missed out Newdawn of r37 and r38 who seemed to have finished ABOVE app and asc for the relevant rounds?
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

No, actually, I didn't.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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Sounds familiar to some folk I know in ODDR?
Speaking of which was it fannybaws er I mean Firebird who closed a defence call On his own member so that his #11 gal mate could land for easy roids?

Something I haven't done ever in my time playing PA.
Seeing that your way wrong about other statements about ODDR, and always claiming you know everything that happens in ODDR, i would suggest to come with proof first instead of making accusations.
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I will adress this stupid post. I stepped down as BC due to there was no need for me to sit there and be told what we were hitting (ie i wasnt needed) i didnt give anyone an 'ego decision' as you put it nore have i once put my ideas/apinions onto anyone. So get your facts straight perhaps before trying to publically go for me on the forums? I stepped up to BC when no one else was doing it (ie doing day raids which then lead onto doing the night attacks) once i steped down others took the role so therefore i wasnt needed. So again, this is the sign of somone ego tripping as you put it by stepping up to help his alliance? I think not. ROCK didnt leave the Apprime block (the first and second time) due to me or light. If you bothered to read any of my posts at all in this thread this round you would see me say this, and i quote 'i wouldnt of joined either sides of this war, and would of gone neutral/fenced' So therefore i allowed no one to 'influence me' nor do i decide on ROCKs pollitics/force HC to do anything.

Reason why ROCK kept turing on Apprime was simple: The first time you had napped ND and not told us. And the second reason was pretty much becuase you allowed your members to defend ingal, but everytime this happend against you (ie us defending against you) you moaned like bitches to get it recalled. Plus as ive said now around 4 posts (feel like im repeating myself or people cant be bothered to read?) ODDR asked us to go against Apprime with them only to then decide once we broke the relations with Apprime to stick with them. So therefore it was ODDR who pushed for this only to backout. Anyway... maybe you should quit PA instead of advising me to walk away from an alliance that i have been off and on part off since round 6. Afterall, there must be a reason why you have constant read under your nick on these forums.... just a thought.
so what did we learn out of this round.

1.Everyone has secret agreements no shit einstein.
2.You can't stop members from defending their galmates, if you think anything else, well you fill in the dots.... Kicking them is an option for some not for me.
3.After talking to all the oddr HC doing politics only thing that was said was if you want #1 spot you'd have to go after app, and one thing let to another appearantly. Even with PA_Bear joining our HC channel trying to convince us.
One of our worst decisions ever made when it comes to politics in this game aswell for our memberbase to not care anymore about this round because of this. So best thing we did was to minimize the damage for next round and keep our members semi-happy.
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No, actually, I didn't.
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. Since r35, only NFI has been a real threat to you militarily.
R38 Apprime had to assist NFI that round because guess what ....
Apprime weren't upto the task of taking ND on

Im other words I'm saying you are talking pish.

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Seeing that your way wrong about other statements about ODDR, and always claiming you know everything that happens in ODDR, i would suggest to come with proof first instead of making accusations.
Was I wrong about ODDR's defence culture falling to bits at the slightest bit of Inc?

back on the issue would firebird and vistion like to make any comments first?
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R38 Apprime had to assist NFI that round because guess what ....
Apprime weren't upto the task of taking ND on
Yeah. And the reason NFI NAPed ND that round was because they were both afraid of PATSA!
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Yeah. And the reason NFI NAPed ND that round was because they were both afraid of PATSA!
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I object to insinuations that NFI over-blocked. We had an almost-round long relationship with ND and were on generally good terms with CT throughout, but when App had the support of Asc, Osiris and ODDR for much of the round too (I can't remember who else played) - I'd say politics were pretty even. Also, App were actually good to work with come the end of the round, and cardi was among the first to offer congratulations so it's all good.

hmm as i can remember beside not hitting app, we hardly did anything relevant for them
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so what did we learn out of this round.

1.Everyone has secret agreements no shit einstein.
2.You can't stop members from defending their galmates, if you think anything else, well you fill in the dots.... Kicking them is an option for some not for me.
3.After talking to all the oddr HC doing politics only thing that was said was if you want #1 spot you'd have to go after app, and one thing let to another appearantly. Even with PA_Bear joining our HC channel trying to convince us.
One of our worst decisions ever made when it comes to politics in this game aswell for our memberbase to not care anymore about this round because of this. So best thing we did was to minimize the damage for next round and keep our members semi-happy.
What you should learn from this round:

1) Respect allies/napped allies which have worked alongside another alliance for many rounds before hand (ie oddr and ROCK) Shouldnt be keeping 'secrets' from each other. This therefore leads to future negotiations been pretty much none exsistant.

2) If you cant control your members from defending then dont agree to the no defence rules set out in the first place. It would be similar to me in real life telling my girlfriend i wont cheat on her, then doing the complete opposite. So lesson for you dont make a promise/agreement you cant keep

3) Ok.. so apparently your HC never let ROCK down or of course made any sugestion what so ever for us to both go against Apprime.. but seems Heim feels he let us down over somthing:

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2. as for us backstabbing ROCK, wich i feel we let down two days ago, yeah i wasn't around, but i should have been , work cut me off from this, but I didn't make any promises about hitting app,
i just suggested, and personally this was to keep round going(wich i been doing all round long ), that rock would hit APP, with ct, nd, wh and hrr, and try to get xVx and ODDR on board.

Hmm Wonder what he could possibly be reffering to here with regards to 'ROCK, which i feel we let down two days ago'

Donar i could provide logs as im sitting here currently looking at all the logs that has ever took place between my HC and yours. There quite an interesting read. However out of respect for My HC and the relations it might have with oddr in future rounds (god knows why...) i wont post them.
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