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Unread 11 Jul 2007, 11:15   #251
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

keep in mind this is the same bojinov that's a self-obsessed prick that neither fiorentina or juventus wanted to keep, and the very same one that managed a glorious 5 goals in 20~ appearances in the serie b for juventus last season. he's a true enough hot shot in fm, but so is podolski, who also seems to be having difficulties in finding his feet with a grand total of under 5 goals for bayern munich in 20+ league starts last season.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

The FM scouts who make the stats not only have different opinions of what level of skill represents what numerical level in the game, but they also have a hard time, especially with young players, determining the difference between "class" and "form". The only thing you can really do with the stats, independent of actually basing your opinion on the player (heretical, I know), is look at the stat distribution to see what "kind" of player he is, and even then you'll get the wrong impression half the time or more.

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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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The FM scouts who make the stats not only have different opinions of what level of skill represents what numerical level in the game, but they also have a hard time, especially with young players, determining the difference between "class" and "form".
Well, it's not always easy for the "professional" scouts of football teams to pick up the talent that'll do great, so it's probably even harder for making a computer simulation of it. With valuing many attributes from 1 to 20.

Dear, it's a game.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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Well, it's not always easy for the "professional" scouts of football teams to pick up the talent that'll do great, so it's probably even harder for making a computer simulation of it. With valuing many attributes from 1 to 20.

Dear, it's a game.
I know it's a game, and given that I generally play with random players (and in any case, most of my games go on for sufficiently long that my entire squad becomes regens) I don't think that any problems in that regard really affect me.

This discussion is about basing real life evaluations of players on FM/etc alone, which has the flaws that I pointed out above (that had only previously been implicit in the discussion).

On top of that, I said that it was "hard", not that they were bad at it. All you're doing is agreeing with me in a condescending fashion.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Why, that's surely the best fashion!
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Why, that's surely the best fashion!
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

And I for one wish you would wear them more!

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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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I always liked miniskirts.

Wearing them, that is.
You prefer silk or lace lingerie?
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Seeing as he apparantly wanted regular first-team football this seems like a bit of a silly move for Mr. Dudek.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

True. Who was it who tried to lure him into staying in Premiership, Lawrie Sanchez or wha? Anyways, I guess it's nice and warm in Spain, a good spot to watch Real Madrid games at. You get to travel a lot, hot Spanish chicks, good money.



All in all, this has to be the most interesting transfer summer for quite a while. Now that there's an arrest order for Joorabchian in Brazil (among with the refugee Big Boris Berezovsky), it'll definately be interesting to follow what happens in the Tevez-West Ham-Blades-United -case.

Any odds?

I'd say Joorabchian squirms off the charges, Hammers keep Tevez despite cringe and whinge, and the FA silently toss it under the carpet, with Sir Alex trying to sign Huntelaar instead.
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All in all, this has to be the most interesting transfer summer for quite a while. Now that there's an arrest order for Joorabchian in Brazil (among with the refugee Big Boris Berezovsky)
Is this the same Berezovsky who is wanted in Russia?
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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Seeing as he apparantly wanted regular first-team football this seems like a bit of a silly move for Mr. Dudek.
Wanting first team football is a claim sharply followed by an invisible * which states in the small-print of the claim *unless you offer me an increase in wages at large european club, in which case sign me up

For a bench-warmer, you could find somebody cheaper, or perhaps a cushion..
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...la/6901435.stm

Big club villa make astute purchase.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

i dont get the harewood hate
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Dire black striker scores some goals one year. Proclaimed good by english media. JBG suspects a random fluke. Dire black striker scores barely any goals the next year. Supposed big club buys dire black striker. JBG is amused.



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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Im not really thrilled with us buying Harewood tbh, dont see him giving us much that the likes of Agbonlahor and Luke Moore already does. Id rather see us paying more for Defoe, but if Spurs really demand 18m£ then were better off not buying him. Im still waiting for Villa to buy a couple of more top names though.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

irish racism is shining through

I dont think hes that bad at all. Of course, he'll never make it past a side villa's size - and even then he wont be a starting striker, hes backup for carew as the target/power forward. But given that money doesnt actually mean anything at all this summer (BBC article bemoaning that everton only have £10m to spend this summer etc). Its difficult to make any real judgements based on last years west ham team because outside tevez/zamora/noble you couldnt really say any of them came out with any plaudits.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Oh, I'm just killing time until pig gets here and I get to read him attempt to justify signing the worse english version of djibril cisse.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...573197,00.html

Good stuff with Palacio though.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

a few forest fans did that earlier in the season as well to see how far a rumour would go and it got into the national press.

It seems the Nottingham Evening Post seems to get half its stories from one internet forum or another...
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Dire black striker scores some goals one year. Proclaimed good by english media. JBG suspects a random fluke. Dire black striker scores barely any goals the next year. Supposed big club buys dire black striker. JBG is amused.



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If the bill to fit was

Proven Premier player
Big Target man
Good in the channels
Hard working
Pacey
Very physical
Can bring others into the game

who else could we have seriously got for the money?

Mido - 100% worse IMHO
Beattie - Total Liability
Crouch - hardly physical and £20Mil?
Davis - Would Bolton really sell a main player


The only striker of this ilk i would have looked at would be Yakubu - but after letting Viduka go i would imagine they have scared a few off with a stupid transfer price

Put it all together and maybe just maybe he is the ideal player for MON and our team at this stage of development

In fact after the intitial what the f*ck the more i think about it , calmly, this could be a very positive move - It is well known that Carew will not last many full 90 minutes and to bring on pace and power will be something we have not had before.

And £3.5m is peanuts - probably the equivalent of half that amount last year.

If we'd have signed him last year after West Ham had done really well I am sure that most people would have been happy - we have signed him now for a pretty cheap fee, probably because he hardly played last year. He could be a little bargain, especially with the stupid prices clubs are paying at the moment. Harewood is hardly going to be in the starting XI but he will be a good squad player.

If it turns out shit, it was only 3.5 million wasted on shit.

In MON I trust.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Pig, yesterday i spent £4 on a Who wants to be a millionaire machine.
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Did you win anything?
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

I'm quite happy as Forest get about £750k from the deal
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

He was cracking at forest, I can't help but get this feeling that West Ham ruined him as a player. They are a truly horrible team who villa have given over 11 million pounds to this summer. Sad days.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Man City sign our trialist Geovanni on a free. Sven must be desperate to sign our trialists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/6903326.stm

Yakubu by the way is the best player pig mentioned in his post. He is 20 goals a season guaranteed and when he's motivated and playing with another quick man, he's absolutely devastating. Shame he went to Boro, if he went to a top club and developed he could have been a truly world class striker.
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I believe he is one of the best players in the premiership.

Only problem is that if we are anyone else for that matter would want to buy him you would be paying stupid money. For example Tottenham want 18 million for Defoe, they must be having a laugh right?

This season will be interesting. You will have very tight, close squads such as Chelsea, Villa, Pompey, Newcastle, Everton and very very competitive and large squads such as Liverpool, Spurs and West Ham.

Theres advantages to both but the last three I mentioned, it will be interesting to see how they keep all their star players happy. Money can only go so far, now everyone has money. In the days of Chelsea and big squads it was hard for teams to match transfer fees and wages, but alas those days are gone.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Chelsea don't have a big squad, they just have better players as squad players. Reading have a much bigger squad than Chelsea, for example.

Newcastle also haven't improved their useless defense yet.
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I would be very happy if we shelled out £12M for Yakubu. Any more and I'd start being worried, but with someone to run with him, it's hilarious watching defences just fall apart.
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I don't really know. Shouldn't be that much over around 12m£. Viduka is mostly replaced by probably superior Sanli Tuncay anyways. I'd guess someone'll buy Yakubu out of Boro by the end of the window.
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Striker is the most exciting atm. We have been linked with bent, defoe, bellamy, kone, keane, naismith, king.

I believe Bent is off to Spurs, and Defoe is coming to Villa.

You must remember Villa have money now. We can compete and I hope we do compete.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

Reminds me, about the bunnywood boy.

Any foreign player who has ever played for a Finnish outfit isn't worth a dime, really. (Neither of the Eremenkos nor Kuqi - not that he'd be worth a dime irregardless - count as foreigners).
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I'd give the effort a B- overall, it was extensive and confusing but at the end I didn't quite feel like "surely if he wrote that much shit about harewood he must be a half-decent player".
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

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Chelsea don't have a big squad, they just have better players as squad players. Reading have a much bigger squad than Chelsea, for example.

Newcastle also haven't improved their useless defense yet.
Geremi/Rozenhal ?

Chelsea have as big a squad as reading, they are just anal about using anything other than 1st team players for reasons pertaining to a hilarious persecution complex.
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I'd be hesistant to brand Rozehnal as anything brilliant yet, but I suppose as a Czech international and PSG Player of the year he can't be utterly bollocks. Signing Geremi was a great deal, though, and will definately have impact.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

This Tevez thing is getting pretty funny. I have a distinct feeling west ham and the premier league are full of shit and they're going to get exposed badly over not actually sorting out the situation with kia jorawhatshisname last year when they said all third party deals were done.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

I pretty much agree. It looks in some ways like Man Utd are the bluffcallers, testing out the theory.


Personally i dont see a way that the transfer can be forced through and ratified without the FA and West Ham losing all credibility. It also sort of hammers home the dangers of this third party ownership malarky, which can only be a 100% bad thing for football.
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i wish you brits started producing good footballers yourself, for a change.
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This Tevez thing is getting pretty funny.
Quite amusing indeed. Either way, it'll end up blowing on someone's nuts. But the bottom line is, there can't really be much more to it than Joorabchian having some signed up treaty with West Ham that allows him to do whatever he wants with Tevez - in this case, sell to United. Hammers, having terminated third party arrangements, have probably decided to deny this. What I find amusing is why Joorabchian isn't making a further mess about it by accusing West Ham of contract breach (assuming he does have a contract with Hammers that allows him to move Tevez to Man Utd). Perhaps it's because he is nowadays wanted for money laundering for his achievements regarding Corithians. (And yeah, it's the same Big Boris who is wanted along him).

I guess Premier and Hammers will just wait for Joorabchian to be comfortably seated in a 3 foot by 3 foot prison cell in Brazil before just burying it.

How on earth did Liverpool manage to sign Mascherano, by the way? I thought the two had similar deals.


edit. oh, yeah, and if the deal does get pulled through with Joorabchian being on the receiving end of the moneybag, Sheffield United won't be jolly.
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United will get their man. There is a good precedent:

They will enter into an agreement to loan the player from West Ham, say for a handsome annual fee + players wages, once hes played a few games in a red shirt, and before any money changes hands, they will declare the "agreement" null and void, pay a small fin^H^H^H administrative fee to the EPL and it will all be done and dusted...
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They will enter into an agreement to loan the player from West Ham

Two problems. Problem one: West Ham doesn't want an agreement (and if they did, they'll be wanting money for it). Problem two: Joorabchian wants money, too (that is, unless he's installed to a facility in Brazil).
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1./ they may not want an agreement but as the player clearly has no desire to play for them it could be their best option.

2./ according to WHU and EPL what Joorabchian wants is irrelevant as he has no claim to the player.

3./ my entire post is a troll designed to wind up fans of WHU and the EPL (assuming that the latter exists).
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1./ they may not want an agreement but as the player clearly has no desire to play for them it could be their best option.
Isn't it silly to blow it to proportions where FIFA intervention is called upon if West Ham's okay to let the player leave anyways? Of course, there's the dispute of who owns Joorabchian, but if WHU and EPL state that Joorabchian's claims are irrelevant, what's the problem? Hammers have the best option to sell Tevez (who wants to play for ManU) out, and ManU are willing to bid.

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According to Joorabchian, he does have a claim to the player. Seems like they're not alone thinking that West Ham merely own the registration rights, while Joorabchian still owns the financial rights. If United didn't think Joorabchian's the man to discuss with about the economic rights of Tevez, why on earth would they have made talked it through him instead of Hammers? I guess we'll soon see, in what comes to calling the bluff.
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I strongly suspect that Joorabchian does have some sort of claim to the player.
How legitimate that claim is remains to be seen.
I suspect that if WHU and EPL continue to foil Joorabchians plans, it will get tested in court. :|
As has been pointed out, the consequences for EPL and WHU if its proven to be legit, are pretty appalling, and hilarious.
As far as I an see (and I should admit at this stage that I am an extremely biased MUFC fan), the worst case result for us, is that we waste time and money on all this bullshit, but it doesnt turn out to our liking, it looks increasingly unlikely that it will end satisfactorily for the prem or the Hammers!

I think both are making very sturdy rods for their own backs!
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

West Ham hadn't claimed to have torn up the third party agreements when mascherano was sold although even then it took 3 weeks to go through. Realistically I'd say it's fairly obvious Jooarabchian still has some claim on tevez. Does anyone seriously think utd would have gone out and agreed a deal with some dodgy businessman where they'd loan tevez for 10 million for 2 years plus 4.5 million in wages and an option to buy for 30 at the end unless that was the only way of getting their player? I'd guess that utd think west ham don't own him and don't want to get sued for being party to a breach of contract by paying west ham instead of joorabchian.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers

West Ham don't own tevez, hence why every football fan bar west ham fans and furball want to see West Ham in their rightful place. In the Championship.

I think Carlos Tevez is a great player, it's not his fault he is at a mickey mouse club (although in theory that is now Chelsea, if you get what I mean, well done. You read as much about football as me!)
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