Newdawn, Press '1' for your 2 week notice...

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by NitinA

By the way, the opinions of ChipZ and some others on this thread is in no way a clear indication of any politics of eX.

I'd like to add that ND aren't targeting Angels anymore, they hit Subh yesterday, which is a clear indication of their superiority to the #7 alliance.

-Nitin

Agreed totaly, im pretty sure last time i looked im not an exiliton spokesman, but i do enjoy the forums what i say is entirely my views . btw i <3 ninita

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

btw i <3 ninita

So much you can't spell his name?

Sounds like you're using him for sex, from where I'M sitting!

(and those are the views of ND!!!11!)

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

So much you can't spell his name?

Sounds like you're using him for sex, from where I'M sitting!

(and those are the views of ND!!!11!)

OMFG noooooo sorry thomas i didn't mean it u noes i love u more than ******** xxxxxxxxx :|

[Legator]

Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

thread 12320323020 "1up asking ND for help"

how many more will there come? stay tuned!

cant you just shut the **** up ?

exil is doing a great job and is a very good alliance but you sir are really annoying.

all your post consist of whining against 1up, did they rape in rl in the past or why are you so bittered. man just play the game and stop sitting on your thrown.

to the topic, whoever wins, nd or exil thumbs up for both. both played their own way, and that very great.

exil is a great warmachine and newdawn played politics in a smoothway, who knows maybe they can stand the battle of the last 2 weeks.

who ever wins - imo they deserve it.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

That would assume that i see Angels as a threat? I don't.

The "threat" i see to eX winning is 1up/angels

So "we" are a threat yet you haven't attacked either for the last couple of nights. Doesn't that rather contradict your original statement or are you just hoping VGN and subh have taken up the slack there then while eX try and roid the smaller alliances?

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

But u will decide the winner

So we really are kingmakers? 1up FTW!!!111

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

So "we" are a threat yet you haven't attacked either for the last couple of nights. Doesn't that rather contradict your original statement or are you just hoping VGN and subh have taken up the slack there then while eX try and roid the smaller alliances?




So we really are kingmakers? 1up FTW!!!111

*sigh* let me explain slowly for you.
There is no alliance that is a "threat" in teh way that we can attack them to ensure we win the round - let me elaborate.

1. 1up/angels can stop use winning - threat
but if we target them we get drawn back into a dogfight war and ND win.

2. we hit ND they hit back, if 1up/angels attack agian thats 3v1, angels/ND win the round.

So basically taking any action *atm* against top 4 ally isn't a good thing for us , and yes i agreed that 1up AND angels together can be the kingmakers this round.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

*sigh* let me explain slowly for you.
There is no alliance that is a "threat" in teh way that we can attack them to ensure we win the round - let me elaborate.

1. 1up/angels can stop use winning - threat
but if we target them we get drawn back into a dogfight war and ND win.

2. we hit ND they hit back, if 1up/angels attack agian thats 3v1, angels/ND win the round.

So basically taking any action *atm* against top 4 ally isn't a good thing for us , and yes i agreed that 1up AND angels together can be the kingmakers this round.

I understand that perfectly really. I just wanted to make sure you were going for the easy roids while the flak hit the "threats". Ta.

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

I understand that perfectly really. I just wanted to make sure you were going for the easy roids while the flak hit the "threats". Ta.

I have no idea what our "flak" is doing im sorry

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

That would assume that i see Angels as a threat? I don't.

The "threat" i see to eX winning is 1up/angels attacking us to make sure we dont end #1... which ofc is nothing that we can do about as if we attack 1up/angels we will lose . The only way we will end #1 is if 1up/angels decide that eX arnt guna win the round .

Angels wont win.
1up wont win.

But u will decide the winner

I have no interest in deciding who wins the round. I only care about Angels winning. So far my alliance has played a superb round, the only thing that is missing is bringing it to a good end. And that's what we're trying to do, regardless of the situation we're in atm (and you all know how I feel about that).

[Alki]

your alliance

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Alki

your alliance

Harsh. I think even Angels members would describe Angels as thier alliance, I'm fairly sure when asked they wouldn't refer to it as "the HC's alliance".

[Alki]

The contradictions just make me want to smack my face against a wall, he post's saying his posts are nothing but his own, then he completey contradicts himself, if there was consistency it wouldnt matter

[Alki]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Harsh. I think even Angels members would describe Angels as thier alliance, I'm fairly sure when asked they wouldn't refer to it as "the HC's alliance".

true, but it interprets as something else when coming from a hc rather than a member, dont you think?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Alki

The contradictions just make me want to smack my face against a wall, he post's saying his posts are nothing but his own, then he completey contradicts himself, if there was consistency it wouldnt matter

Hehe, I'm not contradicting myself. I use "my" alliance because it's just easy to refer to. Sometimes, HC make statements on behalf of the alliance. I think everyone got enough braincells to see when I speak MY opinion and when I make an alliance statement.

I don't see what this fuss is all about really.

Or are you saying Angels HC are not allowed to make statements because they individual HC also has his 'own' opinion? ...

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Alki

true, but it interprets as something else when coming from a hc rather than a member, dont you think?

Perhaps, if you're looking for that kind of thing but to me it just seems like "best fit" english grammar to me.

[Alki]

Its all a big fuss about nada<3 KJ

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Alki

Its all a big fuss about nada<3 KJ

<3 alki

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

<3 alki

Alki is ours ... Hands off TYVM!!

[NitinA]

Ok well here's my two cents, though I haven't really weighed in on AD this round, I figured I'd post a bit in this thread. I've always been a military-minded player and not one for politics which has, in every case I've been an officer/HC of any alliance, been left up to other people (lo Rabba). The politics of a round influence miltiary decisions any alliance makes and the military decisions influence politics. It's simply a recoperical relationship where one can't work effectivly without the other and vice versa. When I dicuss military I'm not talking about the in-game miltiary aspect, but rather the metagame military aspect (alliance targeting, quality of officers to arrange different levels of militarily sophicsticated tactics, etc.).

These two aspects of the metagame (politics and military) are like a match of the old-school computer/video game Pong. The actual poltiics of PA is the thinking process where you decide where you wish to focus your ball. Within it's team (ie your alliance) you have to make a certain set of decisions, including where you wish to focus your pong ball, where you wish to avoid your pong ball, propositioning the other pong player not to "score" on you, etc. Whereas the military aspect of the metagame come into play once the pong ball is coming at you.

You can not evade the inevitable fate of either hit or miss, the ball will not stop to let you think any more. You have to act, and by doing so, you reflect a certain level of skill. This is where the metagame military segment comes into play. You move your vertical slate and adjust it accordingly until you hit the pong ball. If the vertical slate is moving while making impact with the ball, then the ball sometimes flies at a certain angle you did not wish it to. How you hit the pong ball is vital. If done right, you get the pleasure of immediate gratification by scoring one against the opponnent. The longer the game goes on, the more tired some players get. Your ability to hit the ball exactly the way you wish becomes hampered by factors such as willingness to continue the game/some people growing tired (member morale), the ability to hit the ball the way you intended (quality of being able to target the pong ball in the correct trajectory).

Sometimes in pong, when a player uses their politics to affect their military, the ball ricochets--creating ripples unforseen prior to the inital planning of firing that shot. At other times, hitting a direct shot at the opposing player's slate allows the opposing player's slate to have an easier shot to score one against their opponent. Many of the actions which occur in pong often have concequences and cause a chain reaction which may end up harming you, or sometimes working to your benifit. These concequences are forseen and unforseen. The winning side is the one which by luck, skill, or fate (or a combination of any/all) ends up scoring the most points. If you imagine a tringular pong, or a pentagon, or an octogon, etc., etc.,etc. you can image the alliances ranking playing feild of Planetarion. If (like roids) a person's vertical slate grows over time when they can not be hampered from being scored against, then that opponent gains an advantge on the political and military side of the game.

In the end, it is just a game. At times the playing may be intense. At times the playing may be lax. And at times you may be scored against repeatedly. The outcome of the game isn't always the same, even given the same set of political circumstances. How many random incomings you get, sleep, real life, and a cornacopia of other factors. In the end, it is what it is, and it ends how it ends. The ripple effect of saving 1 roid for a thousand ticks whose ship value saves a hundred roids for 500 ticks, whose ship value repeats the same process can literally change the outcome of the game in the long run.

As long as each side plays fairly and does their best, nobody has anything to be ashamed of. It's a game and all you can do is play your best. Not every alliance can win the round, nor can any alliance win every round. You're just supposed to root for your home team, give it your best shot, and see if kismet is on your side.

The way I see it, every alliance I've fought for I've given it my 100%. If your plan's fruitition ricochets, you have to deal with it from there and adapt to changes in plan. If it doesn't work out for ya, there's always the next round with newer innovations and another chance to root for the home team and give it a go. Whoever wins this round, and those prior have won for a reason--when it was their turn to hit the ball, they gave it a go and came out on top. Whoever wins this round will have done the same, and deserves the respect gained from a round well played.

-NitinA

[NitinA]

while making impact with the ball, then the ball sometimes flies at a certain angel you did not wish it to.

I'm glad I edited that, I could see me getting flamed for that one Pardon my bad spelling anyway...

-NitinA

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

I understand that perfectly really. I just wanted to make sure you were going for the easy roids while the flak hit the "threats". Ta.

Too bad you didn't mention that atm it seems all top 5 alliances are going for 'easy roids' and every single one of them let their flak hit the top ranked alliances.

[Kargool]

Like the fact that exil have had 34 fleets attacking TGV the last 24 hours?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Like the fact that exil have had 34 fleets attacking TGV the last 24 hours?

There should be a new rule ... When pple announce they retire from PA, they should also retire from AD. i mean, what use does it have say on these boards that you quit playing PA, yet you keep posting asmuch as before.

The only difference is, now that you quit playing you're more out of the loop, you rely even more on 2nd hand information etc ... yet you post with the same passion and conviction ...

Can anyone tell me if that make sence?

P.S. Kargool, this is a remark in general, just applied it to you cause I don't like your posts and you recently retired. Nothing personal.

[qebab]

You should stop writing in italics, Kjeldoran. Nothing personal.

Personally, I can't see eXilition hitting NewDawn very soon, in wich case we see NewDawn winning, with eXilition on a close second, or vice-versa. Either that, or NewDawn attacks eXilition and gets indirectly helped by the fact that other people don't want eXilition to win, and then prevails, or they don't get support and dies.

[Rinoa]

bah the last minute wars wont matter as much as battle of the recruiters will....
all allies with 20 free spaces, roll on the recruitment wars

(This also includes the lesser known recruitment method of kicking scanners and adding big additions in the same tick to make it look like numbers never changed)

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

The only difference is, now that you quit playing you're more out of the loop, you rely even more on 2nd hand information etc ... yet you post with the same passion and conviction ...

Hmm, since I still have access to TGV's website and can count all the incomings there I see this as first hand information.

But good try though.

[Death666]

didnt you leave Kargool?

[MotoX]

Originally Posted by Alki

The contradictions just make me want to smack my face against a wall, he post's saying his posts are nothing but his own, then he completey contradicts himself, if there was consistency it wouldnt matter

Thank you.

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Like the fact that exil have had 34 fleets attacking TGV the last 24 hours?

That is not relevant to my post at all...

[qebab]

I saw no bigger alliance launch major (full force) on another bigger alliance last night, as with the night before. The round as it was at its best (with all around wars, and getting 6 waves before I went to school) is over, and I'm not quite sure if I like it. Even if it will serve my planet well to have a break from incomings.

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by qebab

I saw no bigger alliance launch major (full force) on another bigger alliance last night, as with the night before. The round as it was at its best (with all around wars, and getting 6 waves before I went to school) is over, and I'm not quite sure if I like it. Even if it will serve my planet well to have a break from incomings.

That's what I said, I see eXi taking the blame for getting easy roids, whilst 1up/angels/ND/LCH did the same... also agreed on not liking it tho.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Stoom

That's what I said, I see eXi taking the blame for getting easy roids, whilst 1up/angels/ND/LCH did the same... also agreed on not liking it tho.

It seem's others had alterior motives than to pick up easy roids, which provailed

[mens]

Originally Posted by Rinoa

all allies with 20 free spaces, roll on the recruitment wars

isn't it capped at 80?

[mng]

-Alliance limit now changed. It's a base rate of 80 members, and after a week anyone not in the top 5 alliances can accept a new member every (14 - $alliance_rank) ticks. No alliance can exceed 100 members.

Hence a couple of alliances have 80+ at this time.

[noah02]

Everyone is saying that if 1up/Angels attack ND then exil will win the round?

I think If 1up and Angels did actually hit ND good and proper then I think angels have an excellent chance of winning the round as ND have got some high valued players and high roid amounts that Angels could really rocket up if they slam them hard enough.

Exil posters seem certain that if ND drop they win the round but dont be to confident exil please could be your downfall when it comes down to it.

If you ask me the top 4 have still got a lot to play for and have to start forcing ppls hands if they want to win.

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Like the fact that exil have had 34 fleets attacking TGV the last 24 hours?

Evil always ends up feeding upon itself...

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by Alki

It seem's others had alterior motives than to pick up easy roids, which provailed

So what motives were there for angels to hit 20ish 300-800 sized planets from ~5 different small/medium sized allies?

Originally Posted by noah02

Exil posters seem certain that if ND drop they win the round but dont be to confident exil please could be your downfall when it comes down to it.

Hate to spoil the fun, but the people saying that aren't eXi

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Stoom

So what motives were there for angels to hit 20ish 300-800 sized planets from ~5 different small/medium sized allies?

We hit more planets than that, and the motives were what all top alliances (apparently) had lately, easy roids. I don't have to like it, and I know some people who didn't get targets because there were only so many people in their bash limit. Though, it would be ridicolous and stupid to wage war against any other alliance in the top for most people, as it would only spark a war that would make ripples through the entire top 5. At the moment, no alliance has had the guts to do so. Wich is understandable, but not very enjoyable.

Originally Posted by Stoom

Hate to spoil the fun, but the people saying that aren't eXi

I heard eXi people stating similar thoughts on IRC, and I must say I believe they will win unless they get a few heavy nights soon. Lately, you have been showing how good you are, and you have been catching up to NewDawn for quite a while. Add to the fact that you will get more xp late round, since it does not seem ND wants to wage any wars, I think you will win, unless you overextend.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by MotoX

Thank you.

Alki was FOOLING around, incase you didn't notice. It's funny how you try to seek for Angels that might "disagree" with me ... (and they may disagree, again that's called having an opinion).

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Stoom

So what motives were there for angels to hit 20ish 300-800 sized planets from ~5 different small/medium sized allies?

its called getting rid of that annoying flak you so happily use, and they so happily follow blindly.

On topic to chika's post, there is nothing ND have to do, exi just handed them the round. GG everybody

[bwtmc]

Perhaps this is a bad time to consider, that directly cooperating to hit the 7th Alliance in the game together (as the #1 and #3), might lead to active response..

Especially with comments to the effect of:

This is a one night affair, we just wanted to beat the hell out of you in case you tried to attack us at a later date.

[bwtmc]

Sets the standard for everyone else really, says a lot about the alliance that -agreed- to the proposition and jumped in it must be said.

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Alki

On topic to chika's post, there is nothing ND have to do, exi just handed them the round. GG everybody

We both know you are wrong. eXilition don't care for roids anymore, they are going for xp.

[bwtmc]

Most top alliances don't openly jump to the public after one night of lost roids

[qebab]

Hmm? Who exactly are you speaking to? I have never "left" the public, so to say, neither has Alki.

I might not be the sharpest knife in the shelf, but I don't grasp the meaning of your post.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by qebab

We both know you are wrong. eXilition don't care for roids anymore, they are going for xp.

So your saying ND have lower value than Angels? we both know this is wrong my qebaby

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Alki

So your saying ND have lower value than Angels? we both know this is wrong my qebaby

No, I'm saying that ND don't have the balls to try take on eXi, and will rather try to stay out of war while eXi tries to outgrow them by using xp. Its a smart move really, and I can't see it fail.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by bwtmc

Perhaps this is a bad time to consider, that directly cooperating to hit the 7th Alliance in the game together (as the #1 and #3), might lead to active response..

Especially with comments to the effect of:

This is a one night affair, we just wanted to beat the hell out of you in case you tried to attack us at a later date.

Subh constantly hit us as exilition flak, exiliton always sent after subh, how can you say you dont want to take out the weeds growing in your lovely lawn. Weeks on end they took our roids, we decided we'd only need one night to take them all back and teach them a 'lesson' so to speak. So please dont get on your high horse just yet. I dont expect there to not be a response that would just be foolish, and it was expected anyway since it constantly occured time and time again. Also its not a case of 'in case you tried to hit us' its more of a, 'you keep hitting us, there will be consequences'.

Originally Posted by bwtmc

Sets the standard for everyone else really, says a lot about the alliance that -agreed- to the proposition and jumped in it must be said.

please look at your own alliance first tyvm.

Originally Posted by bwtmc

Most top alliances don't openly jump to the public after one night of lost roids

Its not one night though is it, its a reoccuring event. I merely stated the post to find the logic behind your tactics, as i fail to see any logic in them. qebab stated one, but we both know that is the case.

[bwtmc]

I think you'll find they just wanted to punish the cooperation seen at the very top of the Alliance rankings on Tuesday.

If Angels perceive anything more than that, it's probably a case of thinking irrationally after losing a few roids.

[bwtmc]

My alliance didn't cooperate with the number one alliance, to bash the galaxies / planets of a much smaller alliance, while -using- (whether this is to your knowledge I don't know) other alliances to hit the "friendly" (to the aggressor) targets in the galaxies to ensure a proper job was done. 1up come to mind, as an alliance that got the slightly short straw there.

My point was, when have SubH ever attacked NewDawn (before they got bashed on Tuesday), what was their justification for getting involved?