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R75 Shipstats

Not to distract from this thread, but is someone working on next round stats? Because I would be interested in knowing if there is a rough draft in the works?
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Not to distract from this thread, but is someone working on next round stats? Because I would be interested in knowing if there is a rough draft in the works?
Excellent question.
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Not to distract from this thread, but is someone working on next round stats? Because I would be interested in knowing if there is a rough draft in the works?
Nobody submitted a set yet so nope
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Re: Stats Xmas round 2017

Thankfully, because of the Christmas round, there's a little more time than usual.
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Re: Stats Xmas round 2017

I know some of you will explode. But i have a set ive been working on and would like some feedback.
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I know some of you will explode. But i have a set ive been working on and would like some feedback.
It cant worse than some of the stuff ive seen recently
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Re: Stats Xmas round 2017

Anyone who "explodes" because of the name they see next to a set of stats is a moron. More stats always welcome.
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Re: Stats Xmas round 2017

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

These are the set that i've been working with, Emp is hard to show on a spread sheet but T1's are going to be 140-160 and t2 is 70-90
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Re: Stats Xmas round 2017

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These are the set that i've been working with, Emp is hard to show on a spread sheet but T1's are going to be 140-160 and t2 is 70-90
Are you going to incorporate mixed etas?
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Id also like to see higher dmg on steal ships
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Re: R75 Shipstats

I was thinking about using 1 or 2 mixed etas but only with off roiding class ships. Also 430 dc for steal is really good given they have 450 ac, and cath xan are both under 400 ac. Meaning you value steal on everything but zik ter....
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Re: R75 Shipstats

yes but salvage sucks ass
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yes but salvage sucks ass
What do you actually want stealing to do? As far as im aware its capped at 100%
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What do you actually want stealing to do? As far as im aware its capped at 100%
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a skilled played can value steal if the zik's dc is higher than the defenders ac
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It's just a personal preference that zik steal ships have 450-500 dmg as they fire last and often have to lose a chunk of ships in order to steal
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a skilled played can value steal if the zik's dc is higher than the defenders ac
Indeed. It's really easy to test with SKs, for example.
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Re: R75 Shipstats

I personally think they shouldnt be able to have 100% vs ter's and i generally put ter at 500 AC but they should be above xan D/C
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well if ter is 500 AC then zik can be 480 AC
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Made some changes:
Updated Zik D/C and A/C
Updated Cath A/C
Changed Mantis -> Widow
Changed Locus T1 T2
Changed Ghostship -> De
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Not a fan of Zik only starting with 3 class type. Every races should have 5 class type.

I find it excellent Zik can steal into 3 additional pods classes but it is lame Etd only steal ship may only steal into De, a pods class which they already posses.

Not sure either why Fr and De are literally targetable by every since classes as well. This is screaming FR/DE snoozefest already.
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In past experience fr de round tend to favor crbs since they usually out init fr de.
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In past experience fr de round tend to favor crbs since they usually out init fr de.
Umless the fr/de is cloaked in an active gal. Then nothing lands. Flak ftw!
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I mean we've had Cloaked fr/de many rounds and no one ever wants to do it because it LOSES to cr/bs. I mean look at Xan fr its prefired by 3 cr/bs solo. And in case you didnt notice its A/C is garbage, so your losing LOTS of value. IF you want to run an all xan fort then by all means every etd and zik can farm the shit out of you.
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I mean we've had Cloaked fr/de many rounds and no one ever wants to do it because it LOSES to cr/bs. I mean look at Xan fr its prefired by 3 cr/bs solo. And in case you didnt notice its A/C is garbage, so your losing LOTS of value. IF you want to run an all xan fort then by all means every etd and zik can farm the shit out of you.
Will they though? Up until tick 900 when xp kicks in aslong as you turn an attacking calc red they wont land. Because you have an eta advantage and you only need to provide flak you will turn back 95% of attackers with 1 xan fake/real.

I personally think your stats dont play into the mentality of the current playerbase and will lead to a very boring round. These are rd 5X stats not rd 7X ones.
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In past experience fr de round tend to favor crbs since they usually out init fr de.
There have been plenty of rounds in which Fr/De dominated. In any case, "Fr/De rounds" in which Cr/Bs are favoured are not Fr/De rounds; they are Cr/Bs rounds.
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Show me a set ppl said was fr de at round start that ended with fr de as best strat.

Eitherway xan fr at 300 ac vs zik and etd both at 130% prefire and cath emp at 170. Go all xan if you like. Seems pretty bad vs co cr bs.
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Show me a set ppl said was fr de at round start that ended with fr de as best strat.

Eitherway xan fr at 300 ac vs zik and etd both at 130% prefire and cath emp at 170. Go all xan if you like. Seems pretty bad vs co cr bs.
Only 1v1 when you start stacking up the fake/real def the flak value wins all day long.
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Im more worried about Ter being overpowered.
Combined with Etd or Cath, and Ter handles most if not all classes with ease.
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See now thats the feedback thats helpful. Are ypu talking about de being too strong or bs? I already was toying with adjusting etd to NOT have de pods but could steal into, and give them fi bs pods.
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See now thats the feedback thats helpful. Are ypu talking about de being too strong or bs? I already was toying with adjusting etd to NOT have de pods but could steal into, and give them fi bs pods.
Fr is way too OP in your stats is very useful.

You keep chirping on about ac/dc but you neglect that Xan Fr is basically a 3 ship build against the 4-5 ship build of Zik Cr and Etd Bs (the only 2 claases that outint it.

Xan can literally funnel all its resources into 1 class permantly upgrading its flak with every production.

Quests will get nerfed and with these stats we will return to dross of Tias 'i love a fort' gameplay.

BORING.
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Show me a set ppl said was fr de at round start that ended with fr de as best strat.
People are wrong about ship stats all the time. What does that have to do with the fact that Fr/De has been the strongest metaclass fairly often?

Your argument essentially seems to be this. People are saying Fr/De is the strongest. But I remember a few instances (when?) in which people said that, and it turned out Cr/Bs ended up being the strongest instead. Therefore, I don't have to listen when people say Fr/De is too strong. In fact, whenever people complain about Fr/De being too strong, I should make it even stronger.

I mean...
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Re: R75 Shipstats

So Kaiba thinks that Xan fr, that targets 5 things and loses to Cr/Bs/Fr outright(losing to itself) is going to be a problem because of Xan Fake potential.

Thoedd thinks that Ter is overpowered because its a defensive powerhouse and can be covered quite easily with etd or cath.

Mzy again is not helping further the converstation and just picking out word plays. If you have something to say, say it constructively I can handle stats being called shit but I want to know WHY you think they are shit.

Atm im thinking of changing ETD to remove De pods and give them Fi pods and rework the class just a bit also gonna remove a DE and add a CO likely either an emp or a cloak that prefires Xan Fr(less likely)

This will server dual purpose, removes the inherent double team up that ter/etd had giving me more security in that terran will be right where I want it OFFENSIVELY(Limited attack options) Also allows me to taylor etd Fi vs Fr.
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So Kaiba thinks that Xan fr, that targets 5 things and loses to Cr/Bs/Fr outright(losing to itself) is going to be a problem because of Xan Fake potential.

Thoedd thinks that Ter is overpowered because its a defensive powerhouse and can be covered quite easily with etd or cath.

Mzy again is not helping further the converstation and just picking out word plays. If you have something to say, say it constructively I can handle stats being called shit but I want to know WHY you think they are shit.

Atm im thinking of changing ETD to remove De pods and give them Fi pods and rework the class just a bit also gonna remove a DE and add a CO likely either an emp or a cloak that prefires Xan Fr(less likely)

This will server dual purpose, removes the inherent double team up that ter/etd had giving me more security in that terran will be right where I want it OFFENSIVELY(Limited attack options) Also allows me to taylor etd Fi vs Fr.
Here i am sittimg on 250k fr and you come attacking with your prefire cr/bs. You kill 100k of my fr so i only have 40k anti cr/bs firing.

Get 1 xan def from equal size xan. Now there is POTENTIALLY 500k fr there and you still only kill 100k and now 70k of my anti cr/bs MIGHT fire alongside 70k of my deffer.

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Its too easy, even more so ingal. 3 fleet attack. Still have to calc full fleet whenever you attack them. Xan is OP as hell.... regardless of your 20 point ac tweaks.
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Re: R75 Shipstats

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Mzy again is not helping further the converstation and just picking out word plays.

If you have something to say, say it constructively I can handle stats being called shit but I want to know WHY you think they are shit.
"Word plays"? I am responding seriously to your arguments, exactly what you're asking. Also, I haven't said (or even thought!) your stats are shit, you've literally made that up.
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Its funny that you think etd zik will only kill 100k of your fr.... with ac the way it is xan will lose way more than attackers.
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Its funny that you think etd zik will only kill 100k of your fr.... with ac the way it is xan will lose way more than attackers.
Im putting up arbitary numbers to prove my point about the power of cloaked flak.
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I understand cloaked flack but xan fr attack power sucks so they wont habe the normal value advantage as other fr de fort strats. Ontop of that the cr bs fleets can solo land on 2x xan so with teams even 3x wont cover. And it only takes 1 or 2 'crashes' to kill entire gal and strat because salvage sucks.

Tbh i dont know why im arguing you about xan when ter de is way more a problem.
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I understand cloaked flack but xan fr attack power sucks so they wont habe the normal value advantage as other fr de fort strats. Ontop of that the cr bs fleets can solo land on 2x xan so with teams even 3x wont cover. And it only takes 1 or 2 'crashes' to kill entire gal and strat because salvage sucks.

Tbh i dont know why im arguing you about xan when ter de is way more a problem.
Because anytime a cloaked race can contain its build into 1 class then its OP. You could give it 350/300/250 ac/dc its irrelevant. Fact stands that a 60 man alliance going fr forts in these stats is going to get so far ahead because its a nightmare to land.
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Re: R75 Shipstats

Any Round, any ally can go all xan and have the same ship build and they will have the SAME advantage. Just because all your value is in Fr doesnt mean shit, you still cant defend vs Co incs effectively and even Fi incs will be hard to cover outside of ingal which wont be able to cover everything. Yeah a 6 or 7 man fort has 21 fleets to send out but You can do that with any MT round yet people dont because ultimatly if the xan ships arent good they wont gain value and by pt700+ they wont have the ships to stand up. ESPECIALLY when they are being out damaged by almost 150%, 1 crash loses an entire fr fleet and since salvage sucks you cant build that shit back.

Forting only works if defensivly you can out value the attackers if you have to lose 500k value in fr to cover 1 or 2 man cr/bs wave and they are landing for 600-1000 roids they will do it. If i had stats in beta and could show you calc i would show you xan even 3:1 cant deal enough damage to stop etd bs or zik cr.
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