The joys of ViruS

Yesterday night, round 5ish I was asked to send def, with what I send it should be well coverd

I wake up, and well take a look yourself :
http://www.pilkara.com/parsers.php?scanid=1908233992

The joys of sending def at night

Thank you ViruS for making me loose 3mil, thank you for warning me too late, thank you for never getting ANYTHING coverd

Greetz, a sad man

[Handsome Sailor]

u froze all his chimeras, u cant say it wasnt worth it?

[Ap0k]

pld ViruS

that must be about 3 times uv screwed dren over in the last few days....

Maybe you should've been awake and they could've told you it wasn't covered

well. its normal for Virus :P

hf and live with it . all virus planets have had these probs once :-)

I dont think I'll stay in ViruS much longer tho

[Handsome Sailor]

i dont know you, but take it you're a virus member. Unless this is your resignation, wouldnt it be better to take this up with your HC? This surely doesnt opt for discussion, rather flaming of virus and their explanations/counter-flames etc etc?

[cypher]

time for a new bc?:P

/me claps @ ViruS DC

[Outcast2k]

Originally posted by Hoopy
Maybe you should've been awake and they could've told you it wasn't covered

An MO's job is not only to save roids but also defenders fleets. Imo your MO's shouldn't send def till its covered. (Atleast thats the way its done in Fury)

[xtothez]

Which ****tard sent someone with 9k spiders to def against only 300 vults, but 7k pegs?

[cypher]

Originally posted by xtothez
Which ****tard sent someone with 9k spiders to def against only 300 vults, but 7k pegs?

now now don't be mean:P

[cypher]

Originally posted by Outcast2k


An MO's job is not only to save roids but also defenders fleets. Imo your MO's shouldn't send def till its covered. (Atleast thats the way its done in Fury)

imo you can just send when you notice at eta 7....rest of def can send at eta 5 for all i care..but if it aint covered...he should check it aswell...be4 landing and he should be warned...:/

Originally posted by Outcast2k


An MO's job is not only to save roids but also defenders fleets. Imo your MO's shouldn't send def till its covered. (Atleast thats the way its done in Fury)

I took the liberty of news scanning before I posted, he wasn't the only defender there, the others were obviously either told to recall once more hostiles were launched, or chose to recall themselves... threads like this from members whining about their alliance always annoy me when they only tell part of the story.

[Ap0k]

and a mail from the target saying "pull. everyone else has" wasnt possible?

or from the BC saying the same...

Originally posted by Ap0k
and a mail from the target saying "pull. everyone else has" wasnt possible?

or from the BC saying the same...

I wake up, and well take a look yourself

Which brings me back to my original point, he should have been awake

[at0mic.c0w]

you are responsible for your fleet. you can blame whoever u like but if u land without at least doing a news scan then it's really your own fault.

[Ap0k]

awake or not, sending that amount of spiders to cover that little fi/co class is retarded. and if it wasnt covered surely he shud have known that info before he went to sleep? (especially considering the fact that he told the BC he was going to bed and specifically asked if it was covered)

im sure they have his sms number in their memberlist, if they really wanted to save his fleet it wudnt have been to hard to find someone who had access to sms features on thie fone/net/etc

whatever way u look at it, its a fkup.

[Salomo]

Originally posted by xtothez
Which ****tard sent someone with 9k spiders to def against only 300 vults, but 7k pegs?

someone that wanted the other someone to loose ships

[KoRnNut]

There were 3 other defenders that recalled shortly after sending defense at the same time you were sent I see in a news scan.

I must say though, you probably have no freaking idea how difficult and stressful the job of defensive coordinating can be.

You didn't even have the deceny to 'Hide Coords' in yer parser.

You lost only 2.4 mil, not 3. And if you take salvage into consideration, you only lost 1.8 mil.

Your a 700 roids planet yerself, you'll be back in shape in 4 days of growth. Yes it sucks, but hey....

Now you've done a great misdeed to your alliance, especially the whole giving away member coords part by not Hiding Coords in Parser.

If I were a Virus leader, I wouldn't care who you are in rank within the alliance, I'd kick you and roid you to deatn and never stop attacking you until your fleet was gone.

Well, I don't think I should tell you the advantages to you by deleting this thread immediately, but like I care tbh. heh.

Hope the Virus DC that arranged that def doesn't take this guys' thread to bad. Judging by his actions and apparently 'HUGE commitment' to =V=, he deserved what he got.

This is always the last place anyone should be taking these types of matters. An alliance's private forum is far more acceptable of a place for these types of threads.

When I am arranging defence, I screw up occasionally. Then it's my duty to try and make up some brownie points with wgatever members I toasted. Perhaps escort them to some roids the next night, or let tham have first pick in a raid 2 nights in a row. Something.....but you in this case deserve nothing.

[jornx]

Can't you take this up with your HC?
I find this kind of behaviour very childish

[Irvine]

Originally posted by Drengar
I dont think I'll stay in ViruS much longer tho

I am sure ViruS won’t be sad to see you leave.

You lost some ships that happens in this game. I am sure ViruS did their best to cover the attack and of course did you not think to scan to see if you needed to pull? Very simple basics in this game.

To do this silly post slagging off one of the best Alliances left in Planetarion is pathetic.

You will not be missed from the ViruS community.

This is all academic and accusing virus for something which is CLEARLY your own fault is very childish.

A BC/DC sends defence based on the premise that the defender will log into his/her account sometime during ETA1 and will have the intelligence to news scan the target before him/her lands and takes up any concerns (under coverage etc) before they land.

Anyone who cannot check at the time of landing should tell the BC at launch time so they can make alternate arrangements.

If you did this.. then you are not at fault, if you didnt do this then please take your whineing to the BC and not polute AD please.

[Salomo]

Originally posted by ado
This is all academic and accusing virus for something which is CLEARLY your own fault is very childish.

A BC/DC sends defence based on the premise that the defender will log into his/her account sometime during ETA1 and will have the intelligence to news scan the target before him/her lands and takes up any concerns (under coverage etc) before they land.

Anyone who cannot check at the time of landing should tell the BC at launch time so they can make alternate arrangements.

BS. When I BC/DCed i never expected people to newsie the planet they're defending, just as i would never actually newsie someone i'm defending unless asked to do so. If a BC sends you to def somewhere you need to be able to rely on it being fairly safe. If it is not safe or likely to be not covered the BC/DC should tell the person sending the def (at least thats what i usually did).

Fkups can still happen. No BC or DC can know whether more hostiles will suddenly be sent, etc. If smthg like that happens it's everybodys responsibility to limit losses, especially the planet that is being defended as he can see such changes soonest. If people still loose ships that tough luck and part of the risk involved in playing PA.

This of course is no excuse for incompetent BCs or DCs, but BCs and DCs work for you and get very little benefit from the masses of time a good BC/DC will invest, so before blaming a BC/DC you at least owe him to check whether it was really his fault and perhaps even owe him some forgiving of his mistakes, after all they're only human as well.

[Aviendha1975]

I agree with salomo

If a DC sends you to defend somewhere and it's dodgy, least he/she should do is tell you of the possibilities of it turning sour, tell them to be online at least 1 tick before it lands, and a BC (not necessarily the same) should newsscan in time, check with what was sent and his calculations, and try to warn them all in time in case they need to pull.

Now fkups can happen at any point, it might be the brightest DC/BC ever, mistakes can happen.
Nobody should get shot for a mistake, maybe tortured a bit.

But the starting principle of it all is that you can do dodgy games with your members fleet, as long as they are informed and understand the risks.


But maybe that's just my motherinstinct talking and the rest thinks that orders are orders, and feedback is overrated.

i never got any1's fleet ****ed up as a BC!! xcept my own heh. but then again i'm godlike.



clearly virus should recruit meh!!


oh and LO AVIE!

[Aviendha1975]

oi lord, it's the skaut

Maybe we should start a discussion about fluffling women in PA here so the mods got an excuse to delete the thread heh

you know your place...

fk what takes my ride so long.. i need beeeeeeeeer.. dont worry tho avie, i wont come back to philosophise about the place of women today tho.

[xtothez]

Originally posted by ado
This is all academic and accusing virus for something which is CLEARLY your own fault is very childish.

A BC/DC sends defence based on the premise that the defender will log into his/her account sometime during ETA1 and will have the intelligence to news scan the target before him/her lands and takes up any concerns (under coverage etc) before they land.

Anyone who cannot check at the time of landing should tell the BC at launch time so they can make alternate arrangements.

A DC is responsible for the proper use of his alliance mates fleets. Sending 8k Spiders towards that incoming is the most retarded move possible. The DC should be aware of the fact that those vultures would have been stopped by the BW fire, and spiders could have been saved for use elsewhere, instead of pointlessly wasting them like that. If that individual was under my command they'd be sent back to their corner to study the meaning of the words "Targets FI", "battlecalc" and "****up".

I dont give a damn bout hiding coords or ViruS cnutting me

my point is, I went to sleep cuz I was up all day and night before. It's not my fault that he wasnt coverd

I asked if it was coverd cuz I KNEW I wasnt able to check, and I told the BC that


and childish point, yes, but so is lettinbg me send my fleet to some1 that wont ever be coverd.

as for the kind of def I had to send, I makes no sense.

If somebody asks for def, and I got my entire fleet home, I wont be shy on sending it out, I posted my fleet to the BC and he told me to send this, so I trusted him, which I see was misplaced


Greetz, A sad Ex- =V=

[cypher]

sending no mails is the fault of the dc and the planet he's deffing...it's pathetic they don't deal with it....has nuthin to do with the defender....

if i send def i expect it to be told if it's a close call or i expect it to be covered.

this is pathetic....i'd rather fire the dc then the member tbh:/

Even if there where PA-mails

I told the BC I was goign to sleep, and he told me its ok cuz its coverd

Originally posted by cyphie
sending no mails is the fault of the dc and the planet he's deffing...it's pathetic they don't deal with it....has nuthin to do with the defender....

How would that help when he clearly woke after the combat took place?

[KingGnome]

the whole point of BC's is to get sufficient defence to cover a planet
If they send defence to a planet that doesnt get covered, its their responsibility to make the existing defence aware of whats going on

Some ppl have said that individuals should news scan the person their deffing to see if they should pull - which is utter bull

alliances succeed by people working selflessly and together

a reasonable proportion of the major attacks/defences which failed were down to individuals who chickened out at the last minute and pulled - because they news scanned, didnt want to loose thier ships, didnt care about their alliance m8's ships etc

without a recall order from the planet or a BC/HC, a defender should never recall - to say that he should decide himself whether HE wants to loose those ships completely rubishes what an alliance is ment to stand for.

[Scoot951]

From newsie it looks pretty obvious that it WAS covered when you launched. Then he got 20k+ more hostiles 2 hours later...did you expect the DC to be able to tell the future when you asked him if it was covered? The desire to sleep is understandable, doing it then blaming others for it is not.

15/11/02 07:53:29 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 0 hostile ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 6 hours.
15/11/02 07:42:47 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 20077 hostile ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 6 hours.
15/11/02 07:33:13 A fleet with 0 ships from xxx has been recalled.
15/11/02 05:18:07 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 0 friendly ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 6 hours.
15/11/02 05:13:12 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 0 friendly ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 6 hours.
15/11/02 05:09:06 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 11747 friendly ships from xxx (x:x:x ) in 7 hours.
15/11/02 05:07:03 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 14375 friendly ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 7 hours.
15/11/02 03:58:02 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 450 hostile ships from xx ( x:x:x ) in 8 hours.
15/11/02 03:57:23 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 6436 hostile ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 8 hours.
15/11/02 03:57:23 Our sensors have discovered a jumpgate opening in our sector. Expect company of 5150 hostile ships from xxx ( x:x:x ) in 8 hours.

And this is NOT how to handle complaints

P.S. And how long were you in Virus anyways? Like a week?

[MAdnRisKy]

Poor Poor BC's

it truely is a thankless task :/

[Demented Turnip]

Personally, I'd expect that a BC would specifically tell a defender to be sure to check before landing when defence is uncertain, especially with large incomings. With this kind of incoming and the amount of time available to cover it, I can see why the BC wouldn't think it necessary. And I would also expect the planet under attack to send any recall mail (since those are the only coords you can trust). I don't think extra hostiles was the problem either as everything there is eta 8, unless there were combat ticks before this one (I didn't look at any news scans).

Still didn't hear from Drengar whether he got a mail from the planet under attack. If that planet ran his fleets and didn't at least send a mail I'd be annoyed too.

Originally posted by ado
This is all academic and accusing virus for something which is CLEARLY your own fault is very childish.

A BC/DC sends defence based on the premise that the defender will log into his/her account sometime during ETA1 and will have the intelligence to news scan the target before him/her lands and takes up any concerns (under coverage etc) before they land.

Anyone who cannot check at the time of landing should tell the BC at launch time so they can make alternate arrangements.

If you did this.. then you are not at fault, if you didnt do this then please take your whineing to the BC and not polute AD please.

[Scoot951]

Originally posted by Demented Turnip
Still didn't hear from Drengar whether he got a mail from the planet under attack. If that planet ran his fleets and didn't at least send a mail I'd be annoyed too.

Originally posted by Drengar
Well

Even if there where PA-mails

I told the BC I was goign to sleep, and he told me its ok cuz its coverd

I think that means he got one (or a few)

[isildurx]

Originally posted by xtothez


A DC is responsible for the proper use of his alliance mates fleets. Sending 8k Spiders towards that incoming is the most retarded move possible. The DC should be aware of the fact that those vultures would have been stopped by the BW fire, and spiders could have been saved for use elsewhere, instead of pointlessly wasting them like that. If that individual was under my command they'd be sent back to their corner to study the meaning of the words "Targets FI", "battlecalc" and "****up".

u are aware of that he might have had another fleet(possibly at base) with same amount of visible ships, and so many COs that ud need somany spids??

[Uprising]

Like someone already pointed out it was covered when you launched for defence.

If you come whining on the boards for 2.4 mil score loss then I'm happy your gone. (whoever you are, not even using real nickname )

[midge5]

Originally posted by Demented Turnip
Still didn't hear from Drengar whether he got a mail from the planet under attack. If that planet ran his fleets and didn't at least send a mail I'd be annoyed too.

On irc he said that he was sent a few mails, unfortunatly he was not on before landing to see this and recall.

Originally posted by MAdnRisKy
Poor Poor BC's

it truely is a thankless task :/

truer words were never spoken...except when some 1 finally put into words that 1+1 does infact equal 2. Thats deep. Think about it.

=ZZ=

**** happens :-)

nice BC-ing..

Originally posted by midge5


On irc he said that he was sent a few mails, unfortunatly he was not on before landing to see this and recall.

what a n00b...

you cant expect to be leet and big in PA if you arent willing to put some effort in it......

no pain, no gain

[A2]

This isn't the place to do it - at least moan on internal boards if you're going to make a case like this public.

As many people have pointed out everyone makes mistakes when calcing, and occasionally things go wrong. (Lo to the person who lost me my entire fleet 5 days into the round btw ) 3 mil score isn't an insurmoutable problem. Having been in Virus myself until very recently I know that the DC's do a great job usually with minimal support and normally things happen without a hitch.

Essentially acknowledge that occasionally there are problems, if you weren't in the alliance you probably wouldn't have had 3 mil score to lose, and above all remember that PA is only a game fs!

No longer [Infected] with [Virus]
A2

[Demented Turnip]

Originally posted by midge5
On irc he said that he was sent a few mails, unfortunatly he was not on before landing to see this and recall.

Then he really has nothing to complain about.

For you guys thinking this is a fake nick, come to PAnet and check out yourself check the global stats top10 while yer at it


as for the rest, I'm not whining bout that 3mil I lost ( was a second tick too )

I especially asked if it was coverd because I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO CHECK

and for you guys that call me a n00b and not willing to put some work into PA

I've been a BC last 3 rounds online if really needed, been sorting def for friends past 24 hours, so dont even go there


Greetz yours truely..

Drengar

I finnally got removed from access lists on ViruS irc

took them only half a day

[Lerxst]

Originally posted by Drengar
I especially asked if it was coverd because I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO CHECK

Once again for YOU Mr. n00b: when I would have taken a look at those fancy new thing called "newsscan" you may have noticed that it WAS covered when you asked. Comprende?

You expect the BC to take a look into the future? You are scary... and really comitting... It was bad luck, you were screwed up and it was the fault of the attackers - NOT of your BC. Blame them, and not Virus. At least I am glad that you are not in my alliance...

[Nodrog]

If you knew you wouldnt be able to newsscan before you landed, you shouldnt have sent your fleet. Take some responsibility.