Lets talk about zik cause theres not that many zik boards o.o

I think that roaches are good to steal if you can find a cath with loads of em. So are black widows. Clocked ships are good if your giving defence or attacking someone. But if you have vultures, that shows right away that you have some cloaked ships. If you only have a few vultures and dont mind losing them, then send them to somewhere to get destroyed and when someone scans you they wont have any idea if you have cloaked ships or not.

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by rhkhdh
I think that roaches are good to steal if you can find a cath with loads of em. So are black widows. Clocked ships are good if your giving defence or attacking someone. But if you have vultures, that shows right away that you have some cloaked ships. If you only have a few vultures and dont mind losing them, then send them to somewhere to get destroyed and when someone scans you they wont have any idea if you have cloaked ships or not.

What?

If someone mil scans you they know PRECISELY what cloaked ships you have. And why for the love of God would any zikky who's managed to steal vults want to get them destroyed?

As for cloaked ships being good for defence, do you know ANY zik who has enough xan FI to make a difference in defence?

Sorry but I'm in a bad mood and this thread is cobblers.

Originally posted by Gayle28uk

What?

If someone mil scans you they know PRECISELY what cloaked ships you have. .

How true <sigh> cloaked ships Do show up on mil scans, but CLOCKED ships remain a dark hiiden secret awaiting the unwary.......

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Hardrada



How true <sigh> cloaked ships Do show up on mil scans, but CLOCKED ships remain a dark hiiden secret awaiting the unwary.......

Ah, do they need extra cooling?

[at0mic.c0w]

unless u got a large number of farms i wouldn't include stolen ships into my (dream-)fleet composition. either the ships u can build are good enough for your needs or u choose a different race.

Originally posted by Gayle28uk

Ah, do they need extra cooling?

ofc

[MrPubes]

apart from the useless spam in this topic:



widows, wm, pegs and demeters are the ships to steal.
stealing xan is imho too expensive.
but i also got some terran frigs (namely chimeras), which make a good addition to your fleet because of their good targeting and good emp resistance.

You have to remember not everyone has mil scans.

[G.K Zhukov]

zik capping is fukced up anyways..

yes, Im not happy with spinner

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by rhkhdh
You have to remember not everyone has mil scans.

Um...at this point in the round? 99.9% of the universe either has them or has access to them.

[thomas4]

hmmm a zik with vults is like a xan with Mega pods.

Why even bother to use an overtargeted class pod and attack with it when u have barely any good Co flak. Im hearing ppl saying now 'oh look at the armour of the sabre' so what, it doesnt fire at the ships that fire at them namely Fi-Co.

Ziks should stick to uni pods and conventional pods.

[Silva baby]

i agree stick with de pods

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally posted by Silva baby
i agree stick with de pods

tbh, the FR pods/fleet is likely to be more useful and far easier to maintain unless you have a number of DE farms.

Zik FR are still very good, providing effective anti-FI (Cutters) andti FR & CO (Marauders), AND you dont have to rely on stealing enemy units.

Clippers and Rogues, however, would not go astray , though if i were a zik (shudder), i'd still for largely with the FR.

[tokath]

vultures are very usefull on overburn retals since most ships target fi/co and not co/fi its not hard to get a few in there. But for regular attacks theyre pretty hard to come by enough (if you get to a largish 20% min)

i use apods and dems both more so apods since theyre a wee bit easier to come by but still with plenty of dems around for hitting decent roid counts.

cutters utterly rock and marauders are great def and sometimes as flack (depends on the race ofc ) . Except for stealing de class i havent tried much but ive still managed to get a few hundred fr and a couple k xan co

[Auro]

/me loves his Clippers

especially with overburn

[Silva baby]

but however i feel that dementers can be picked up ind efence

[Orion Treet]

If you look at zik vs cathaar in larger numbers, you'll see that cathaar have a weakness against frigates. You won't notice it in smaller battles, but you do it in larget numbers you'll see it. They're de coverage is great, but they don't cover frigates well. For example.
I have a target who is only 300k smaller that me, I send in a fleet one third of his size comprising of cutters, marauders and clippers (and pods ofc.) Now, the cutters and marauders will absorb fire for the pods, while you're marauders steal BW, and clippers absorb fire from ships with T1 de and T2 fr, and give an extra punch to your fleet, now most of my ships will be frozen, but I still steal over 50 roids in 1 tick. This ofc also depends on the cath fleet, but in general I've noticed they have a weakness against frigates, and zik have great frigates, so use them in combo with clippers (/me loves my cutters and clippers)

[thomas4]

yups.

Problem with cath: they either have alot of Fi def for a Xan attack, so loads of spid/beetle but then they have less scarab/bw.

OR they have like 3k bw and no fi def, but then they're xan vulnerable

or ofc they have a bit of both, which most of em have but that will result in being attack by both zik/terran(/cath even) and xans.

[MrLobster]

Well i have to says my fav Zik ships are.

1) Buccanear - Loves Killing BS
2) Rouge - Loves Stealing TE Pegs and Demeters.
3) Man o' War - Loves killing Fr/Co/Fi

Maybe a few Pilligers because they love getting Hydras and Syrens.

Pirates Might be usefull to steal the TE BS.

or an easier way is to be TE in the first place.

[leknu]

Originally posted by MrLobster
Well i have to says my fav Zik ships are.

1) Buccanear - Loves Killing BS
2) Rouge - Loves Stealing TE Pegs and Demeters.
3) Man o' War - Loves killing Fr/Co/Fi

Maybe a few Pilligers because they love getting Hydras and Syrens.

Pirates Might be usefull to steal the TE BS.

or an easier way is to be TE in the first place.

If its that hard to spell the Zik ship names, then beeing Terran sounds like a good option.

[MrLobster]

Originally posted by leknu


If its that hard to spell the Zik ship names, then beeing Terran sounds like a good option.

Thats why I am cloak, so i learn to spell again.

[leknu]

Damn, now thats more challenging choise than zik...

[MrLobster]

Both Thiefs and Marauders are a bit weak and die too easy, so i stay clear of them two.

[MrPubes]

the marauder has an armor of 60 (!), which is 1 1/3 more armor than the fr with the second biggest amount of armor, the drake.
the agility of the marauder is 20, which is really not bad at all.
(better frigates: only centaur/chimera)

the thief has an armor amount of 25, which is the highest armour for co in pa, together with the roach, which has the same amount of armor.
the agility of the thief is 20, which is more at the low end of the pa corvettes. the roach however has 20, too.

tell me whatever you want, but they don't die easy!

[thomas4]

Originally posted by MrLobster
Well i have to says my fav Zik ships are.

1) Buccanear - Loves Killing BS
2) Rouge - Loves Stealing TE Pegs and Demeters.
3) Man o' War - Loves killing Fr/Co/Fi

Maybe a few Pilligers because they love getting Hydras and Syrens.

Pirates Might be usefull to steal the TE BS.

or an easier way is to be TE in the first place.

well thats not a real good way of promoting the sunny sides of zik now is it :P

Pillagers suck, so do buccaneers (clippers are better at killing BS, too bad they fall under the 'all' class)

what happened to the ships like the marauder, cutter and clipper???

if u are a ziko who doesnt have clippers then i'd lol at you. Esp if u r thinking bout stealing terran dessies, tehn clipper is superb flak along with rogues to nick even more nice destroyers or a bw

[thomas4]

Originally posted by MrPubes
the marauder has an armor of 60 (!), which is 1 1/3 more armor than the fr with the second biggest amount of armor, the drake.
the agility of the marauder is 20, which is really not bad at all.
(better frigates: only centaur/chimera)

the thief has an armor amount of 25, which is the highest armour for co in pa, together with the roach, which has the same amount of armor.
the agility of the thief is 20, which is more at the low end of the pa corvettes. the roach however has 20, too.

tell me whatever you want, but they don't die easy!

well i have to admit, it looks like the die easily. But thats just because u steal other ships as a replacement.

But seriously, why do you build thieves? Stealing Fighters is like always a loss, considering the fact that of the 8 fighters in the game 5 of them shoot at Co. And the fighters u are wanting to steal are (i assume) beetles and spiders, well with the amount of zikko co's u have its not gonna work (unless u go Co all the way ofc, but then i'd have to ask u which way that would be )

Also, being a zikko Co, a thieve has poor Co-flak, so if u are planning on stealing vultures with it , u can barely use them.

Zikko has strength in the bigger ships, unless u want a swarmer planet with loads of fighter too, then it would be wise to build Co. But it has been said before that u either go all the way with the fighters, or not at all.

I have to stop attacking if I do it more than three times in a row (granted I've not done that very often). All my ships just vanish! Still, atleast I managed to obtain some of theirs.
Still, I really should report this bug to spinner. I feel so sad for all my rogue pilots. The Black Widow replacements smell of wee.

[MrPubes]

Originally posted by thomas4


But seriously, why do you build thieves? Stealing Fighters is like always a loss, considering the fact that of the 8 fighters in the game 5 of them shoot at Co. And the fighters u are wanting to steal are (i assume) beetles and spiders, well with the amount of zikko co's u have its not gonna work (unless u go Co all the way ofc, but then i'd have to ask u which way that would be )

i never said i build them
i rely on clippers/buccs and cutters, and a little fighter swarm
(10k corsairs, 5k cutlass)

[Silva baby]

thiefs are fun defence
they do um
jack all

[thomas4]

hmm in huge amounts mayb

but steal ships arent too dangerous defence, being killed costs more.