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Chax · 10 Sep 2003, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Spinner on the portal
There will be no shuffle

It has been decided that we will NOT shuffle the universe.
It was not the easiest of decisions, but the impact of the few galaxies who managed to sneak in one or two extra friends is considered to be small enough to skip a shuffle.
This problem was fixed when all galaxies had 4 or less planets, and some were just friends who ended up together by chance.
The impact of doing a shuffle would ruin many galaxies who have already started out nice together, and therefore we have decided not to shuffle.

With hopes of understanding

Spinner[/b]

If there was a way of getting together with friends then either we should all be allowed to use it or noone should. There is no middle ground.

Are they so few as to have no impact? Then why not code a function that sends SMS to me and 3 friends when either of us have incoming. Just 4 of us, surely it won't hurt anyone, it won't have any impact. It would give us the same benefit they have, someone they trust to watch over them.

I haven't a clue who the people are that have ended up together or what they did to do it, but if they did it in a way that can't be duplicated by everyone else then they have an unfair advantage.

Might as well play Monopoly with Bill Gates using our RL bank balances as starting cash.

Supernova9 · 10 Sep 2003, 22:09

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Originally posted by Chax
If there was a way of getting together with friends then either we should all be allowed to use it or noone should. There is no middle ground.

Are they so few as to have no impact? Then why not code a function that sends SMS to me and 3 friends when either of us have incoming. Just 4 of us, surely it won't hurt anyone, it won't have any impact. It would give us the same benefit they have, someone they trust to watch over them.

I haven't a clue who the people are that have ended up together or what they did to do it, but if they did it in a way that can't be duplicated by everyone else then they have an unfair advantage.

Might as well play Monopoly with Bill Gates using our RL bank balances as starting cash.

HEY EVERYBODY, MR OPTIMISTIC'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

SilverSmoke · 10 Sep 2003, 22:11

well when you pay 15 ****ing euros for a game like this you expect crap like this not be able to happen

Jonas · 10 Sep 2003, 22:32

I got my cousin in my gal, tho it was cooincidental.

I activated him, and saw he were in my gal. What was strange tho was that he came in my gal, and still gals before me in coords had 1 and 2 less players. I thought maybe they changed it so that if one activates somoene they come in your gal, and expected there to be a shuffle. Ah well I dont mind really. Will be bad to see uber gals tho :/

-Jonas-

Gerbie · 10 Sep 2003, 22:43

It all just might be a hoax to get people to upgrade their accounts now.

Jonas · 10 Sep 2003, 23:01

lol, never thought of it that way

Supernova9 · 10 Sep 2003, 23:30

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
well when you pay 15 ****ing euros for a game like this you expect crap like this not be able to happen

What about complaining because his login name had to be Chax1 instead of Chax?

I mean c'mon, some people need to take their head out of their a**, get away from the computer, breathe some fresh air and GET A LIFE

SilverSmoke · 11 Sep 2003, 00:08

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Originally posted by Supernova9
What about complaining because his login name had to be Chax1 instead of Chax?

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Isn't that a different subject ?

Chax · 11 Sep 2003, 03:53

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Originally posted by Supernova9
What about complaining because his login name had to be Chax1 instead of Chax?

I mean c'mon, some people need to take their head out of their a**, get away from the computer, breathe some fresh air and GET A LIFE

What about complaining about someone complaining?

I'm a whiner, I admit it, it's a flaw I have. you however are a hipocritical whiner, and that sir, is way worse.

dabult · 11 Sep 2003, 08:55

Judging from my gal the past day/s....

...I want a shuffle ffs

Banned · 11 Sep 2003, 09:22

To be quite frank, Chax, you've been sounding more and more like a whining gimp that should be ignored lately. I get the distinct feeling you would've complained either way, or at least found something else to bitch about if there had been a shuffle.

General1 · 11 Sep 2003, 09:25

BLA BLA BLA

Hicks · 11 Sep 2003, 12:11

Not shuffling is stupid as **** though, it's ensured I won't be paying.

Freedom !

ParraCida · 11 Sep 2003, 18:59

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Originally posted by Hicks
Not shuffling is stupid as **** though, it's ensured I won't be paying.

Freedom !

Constructive Criticism++

Narziss · 11 Sep 2003, 19:58

yeh FFS.....I wanna have a shuffle immediately....My Gal is active like a stone!

grrrr....that means I have to be awake 24/7

Ultimate Newbie · 11 Sep 2003, 21:43

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Originally posted by Hicks
Not shuffling is stupid as **** though, it's ensured I won't be paying.

Freedom !

Wasnt it you who has been bagging R10 from the beginning, hrashly criticising it at every oppertunity?

For some reason, i really dont believe that this shuffle was the final straw - from what i think i remember you saying, you had very little or no intention of playing this game, and even if you did then you might just whinge the entire time.

Thus, in my eyes at least, your post has no consequence.

das_experiment · 11 Sep 2003, 22:09

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Originally posted by Hicks
Not shuffling is stupid as **** though, it's ensured I won't be paying.

Freedom !

u wont pay??

u gonna leech a account from a 'm8'? ;O

King · 12 Sep 2003, 05:15

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Originally posted by Chax

Are they so few as to have no impact? Then why not code a function that sends SMS to me and 3 friends when either of us have incoming. Just 4 of us, surely it won't hurt anyone, it won't have any impact. It would give us the same benefit they have, someone they trust to watch over them.

I haven't a clue who the people are that have ended up together or what they did to do it, but if they did it in a way that can't be duplicated by everyone else then they have an unfair advantage.

Actually anyone could have done what they did if they realized it. Quite simple actually and breaking no rules.

Chax · 12 Sep 2003, 07:27

Quite irrelevant king, since whatever they did can't be done anymore now, making the playing field unlevel.

Hicks · 12 Sep 2003, 10:56

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Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie
Wasnt it you who has been bagging R10 from the beginning, hrashly criticising it at every oppertunity?

For some reason, i really dont believe that this shuffle was the final straw - from what i think i remember you saying, you had very little or no intention of playing this game, and even if you did then you might just whinge the entire time.

Thus, in my eyes at least, your post has no consequence.

Bagging = Pointing out it's flaws and why people won't like it ? Sorry for not towing the party line.

I was planning to play (Ask Focht, I rejoined Eclipse. Ask BlueArmy we startd to build a battle group) however since I've moved into a new house last week I haven't been able to pay yet as I don't have a phone line something which I'll remedy over the weekend. Since everyone else seems to have had the chance to build uber galaxies there's no way I'll be able to pay before Saturday and to be honest the option of being in John Newbie's galaxy isn't very appealing, hence I'll spend the money on something more interesting.

What's 1 more player er ? 1499 to go \o/

Hicks · 12 Sep 2003, 11:01

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Originally posted by ParraCida
Constructive Criticism++

Well what would you like to say Parra ? it's rather obvious why not shuffling is stupid you my as well ahve private galaxies. I'm sure you don't need me to explain it for you.

jleedham · 12 Sep 2003, 11:33

damn i would be so nice to have just one round start with out people bitching about the smallest little things!

those people bitching about being in a **** gal and the moment as so wanting a shuffle, what is there to say that you will not end up in another galaxy full of people who are in active as well? nothing!

and if you actually read the post properlly hicks it is pointed out that it is only a few players who have managed to get themselves delibratly into galaxies with there mates meaning that there are very few or next to no "Uber galaxies"

also i think that people should realise that if they cannot play the game and enjoy it unless they are in a "uber galaxy" then really they are not very good players!

through out my playing career i have often had inactive gals abd have still managed to play well and enjoy myself by having the help of my alliance mates and making a point of making new friends thru the gal members that u do have and also thru the other people in my paralel.

Jsar

Hicks · 12 Sep 2003, 11:37

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Originally posted by jleedham
and if you actually read the post properlly hicks it is pointed out that it is only a few players who have managed to get themselves delibratly into galaxies with there mates meaning that there are very few or next to no "Uber galaxies"

It says Spinner only thinks there is a few that could mean 50% of the accounts with his past track record. I know of at least one group who have formed a quasi private galaxy I'm sure there are more.

Either way I don't see why any one should get an unfair advantage over anyone else. Nor do I see why having a shuffle is such a problem ? Surely it's simply a matter of clicking a button ?

Also I live in Guildford \o/

Morden · 12 Sep 2003, 12:44

Well, tbh If they see nothing wrong with fixing galaxies, then I dont know how they can complain if people resort to account swapping to even the inbalance created by people setting up groups already which gives them a hell of an edge.

I know of at least 7 groups of 4, and 1 group who has 4 from the selective activations and 1 by chance, making there galaxy 1/2 private.

And ofc as no rules are broken its prefectly fair to use any flaws in the game design, which means should there be a way to gain extra score then its perfectly legal and nothing will come of it?

not that im particularly bothered I just find it hypocrytical for the creators to preach fair play and a balanced playing feild and then to allow the game to be made uneven because of a flaw in the code they should have known would have been abused and then ignoring it because of the flames they think they will get from people in galaxies which are pre-selected.

I wonder what there views will be once they are being flamed in 2 months for allowing this in the first place, as I can pretty much garauntee those galaxies which have 40% or more hand picked will have a huge advantage over the normal galaxies, in terms of defence as well as activity.

zek132 · 12 Sep 2003, 15:23

I totally agree with Morden!
Ok, people who have got into nice galaxies are all hapy now, and would not like to have a reshuffle as it would be very unfair on them. But how about the people who didn't get into as nice galaxies as they wanted? It would be much more fair on them to not have a reshuffle, and i think there are many more of people like that. A reshuffle would make it much more fair for all of the players.
Basically what happened was that the galaxies were filled one by one at first. That was until the time, most galaxies had 4/5 people. So there was pleanty of chance to get the people you wanted in your galaxy.
Reshuffle all the way I say!

Rommel · 12 Sep 2003, 15:29

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Originally posted by zek132
I totally agree with Morden!
Ok, people who have got into nice galaxies are all hapy now, and would not like to have a reshuffle as it would be very unfair on them. But how about the people who didn't get into as nice galaxies as they wanted? It would be much more fair on them to not have a reshuffle, and i think there are many more of people like that. A reshuffle would make it much more fair for all of the players.

You just contradicted yourself there but i agree with you that there should be a reshuffle.

zek132 · 12 Sep 2003, 18:21

Yeah, that post was typed rather quickly. Soz

Also, if you have no reshuffle, then why not make a 1 free self exile. So people could get another chance at it. This would not allow hopping + would make everyone more happy. I don't care how much all the following exiles cost, but one free one would be fair!

14 Sep 2003, 05:51

everyone whines that private gals ruin the game so they shove random gals down our throats. now everyone complains that people are taking advantage of randoms. for some there will just be no pleasing.

Tomkat · 14 Sep 2003, 12:42

Ah bejesus.

If there had been a shuffle, people who knew each other would have ended up in the same gals after it in a few places.

And then the creators would be evil there, and have it planned, wouldn't they?

They can't win.

It's already random, why did we need to randomise a random universe?

Kåre Willoch · 14 Sep 2003, 16:51

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Originally posted by Tomkat
Ah bejesus.

blablabla......

It's already random, why did we need to randomise a random universe?

Ahem, did you get the point of this thread at all ?????
The people in question have bunched together 4 by four, some examples are known, pretty many are likely to be unknown, people always take advantage if the system lets them.

Do you call that random ? Then do a reality check sir !

Morden · 14 Sep 2003, 17:00

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Originally posted by Tomkat
Ah bejesus.

If there had been a shuffle, people who knew each other would have ended up in the same gals after it in a few places.

And then the creators would be evil there, and have it planned, wouldn't they?

They can't win.

It's already random, why did we need to randomise a random universe?

People would've landed together, but I can pretty much garauntee that they would'nt have made semi private gals by abusing the shabby code work the creators did for the starting galaxies.

Why shuffle a Random Universe? maybe because it isnt random?

Tomkat · 14 Sep 2003, 19:35

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Originally posted by Morden

Why shuffle a Random Universe? maybe because it isnt random?

It is 95% random, with a few exceptions that you mentioned above.

Most of the universe did not know who they would be in a galaxy with. Which is random, as opposed to the private option of galaxies.

Morden · 14 Sep 2003, 20:22

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Originally posted by Tomkat
It is 95% random, with a few exceptions that you mentioned above.

Most of the universe did not know who they would be in a galaxy with. Which is random, as opposed to the private option of galaxies.

it was cut off when gals reached 4, so lets just say for the sake of being lazy only 20% of the people who signed up around that time syncronized there signups, thats around 200 people, say 2 per galaxy that makes 10 galaxies
which is 10% of the playerbase, and the real amount is closer to 15-20% of the playerbase so do you still think it is random?

(at a rough guess there are around 40 galaxies which are not entirely random with 2 or more private players)

Still think its Random? Im not entirely bothered tbh im not playing fully this round due to college and have a lot of friends who gained from this exploit, but quite frankly I think the situation was handled poorly with the old "we'll get complaints from people who abused the bug so lets ignore it and pretend it doesnt upset the balance of the game"

Mushroom · 14 Sep 2003, 21:55

makes you wonder how long it would have taken a thread the opposite of this one to spring up had there been a shuffle

Tomkat · 14 Sep 2003, 22:46

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Originally posted by Mushroom
makes you wonder how long it would have taken a thread the opposite of this one to spring up had there been a shuffle

Idd.

Chax · 14 Sep 2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by Mushroom
makes you wonder how long it would have taken a thread the opposite of this one to spring up had there been a shuffle

Maybe it would have taken the exact amount of time, but that doesn't in any way mean I'm wrong.

Mushroom · 14 Sep 2003, 23:49

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Originally posted by Chax
Maybe it would have taken the exact amount of time, but that doesn't in any way mean I'm wrong.

All i'm saying is it's a matter of opinion.
We piss a certain amount of people off no matter what we do, nobody can deny that.

Chax · 15 Sep 2003, 00:35

It shouldn't be a matter of how many people are pissed off if they do A or B. It should be a matter of making it fair. Pissing off cheaters shouldn't besomething to be afraid of.

Mushroom · 15 Sep 2003, 00:45

sigh.

that's the problem with arguments on here.
I'm now going ot point out those people who were saying at the mention of a possible shuffle "please don't shuffle, we've just got to know each other ffs!

"

You'll then try and tell me that these people were a minority and we're simply being unprofessional in not listening to the needs of most of our customers.

I would then come back by trying to say that you can't judge a minority in this entire community any better than i can. We just have to go with what seems to affect the least amount of people.

You would then come back saying that we're affecting the most amount of people by leaving a minority of 'cheaters' in place.

I would then retort by saying that if we shuffled to deal with a minority, the majority would be affected - the aforementioned people would be pissed off that a few people had caused them such annoyance.

You would then retort with the idea that we might have ruined everyone's game by leaving those few 'cheaters' untouched.

By which point i would have lost the will to live and gone to bed...

since i've just gone through the entire argument in this post, can we just leave it instead? That is, rather than arguing that you wouldn't have said what i've said you'd have said... or something like that.

at0mic.c0w · 15 Sep 2003, 01:21

don't we have this very same discussion every round and did noone get the idea yet to announce a shuffle before signups start so ppl don't try to get together with their friends and ppl who land in the same gal don't work on geting to know each other ?

Tactitus · 15 Sep 2003, 02:19

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Originally posted by at0mic.c0w
don't we have this very same discussion every round and did noone get the idea yet to announce a shuffle before signups start so ppl don't try to get together with their friends and ppl who land in the same gal don't work on geting to know each other ?

Yes, exactly. PA's policy of not announcing their shuffle plans in advance guarantees a "no win" situation. Those who guess there will be a shuffle and ignore their galaxy mates will be annoyed if there isn't a shuffle, and those who guess there won't be a shuffle and organize their galaxies will be annoyed if there is a shuffle. Of course, this is in addition to the complaints about unfairness if there isn't a shuffle, or if it's done too soon.

You'd think that after so many rounds that they'd have figured this out by now. :duh:

CamelToe · 15 Sep 2003, 05:22

don't tell Chax to shut the **** up. wake up, smell the coffee, and realize who you're talking to

Mushroom · 15 Sep 2003, 07:22

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Originally posted by Tactitus
Yes, exactly. PA's policy of not announcing their shuffle plans in advance guarantees a "no win" situation. Those who guess there will be a shuffle and ignore their galaxy mates will be annoyed if there isn't a shuffle, and those who guess there won't be a shuffle and organize their galaxies will be annoyed if there is a shuffle. Of course, this is in addition to the complaints about unfairness if there isn't a shuffle, or if it's done too soon.

You'd think that after so many rounds that they'd have figured this out by now. :duh:

You're not counting the people who would shout "YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE A SHUFFLE!!!!!!!11111223$%£%%%" as there would doubtless be.

Shuffle = "Aw ffs, we have to get to know everyone and ticks have started now too! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving

"

No Shuffle = "Aw ffs, you've left those people who managed to beat the system and get together in! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving

"

Saying there is, then not having one = "You lied to us! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving

"

We seriously can't win!

dabult · 15 Sep 2003, 09:17

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Originally posted by CamelToe
don't tell Chax to shut the **** up. wake up, smell the coffee, and realize who you're talking to

The 'without-any-competition-what-so-ever-most-whinging- person-EVER-around'?

heh

Tomkat · 15 Sep 2003, 09:26

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Originally posted by Mushroom

We seriously can't win!

Whatever you do there'll always be someone who isn't content with how it went. It's human nature, our selfishness to want the best possible scenario for ourselves. If something COULD have been in a better position, we will complain that we didn't get it.

WELL I FOR ONE AM CONTENT WITH HOW THE UNIVERSE IS, SHUFFLE OR NOT. AND NO, MY GALAXY IS NOT ONE OF THE HIGH ONES.

Now stop whinging, and play the game.

at0mic.c0w · 15 Sep 2003, 11:38

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Originally posted by Mushroom
Saying there is, then not having one = "You lied to us! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving "

i think the idea was that if you have announced a shuffle u actually shuffle the universe.

Tactitus · 15 Sep 2003, 14:38

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Originally posted by Mushroom
You're not counting the people who would shout "YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE A SHUFFLE!!!!!!!11111223$%£%%%" as there would doubtless be.

Well yeah, if you announced there would be a shuffle and didn't do it, then people would be upset. I thought the downside of that scenario was so obvious that I didn't bother to mention it. :/

Now, how about this scenario: Before signups open you clearly announce there will be a shuffle and--here's the tricky part--you do it! Or, for an interesting variation: you clearly announce before signups there will not be a shuffle and then not do it!

Announcing your plans ahead of time and doing them means your customers don't have to try to guess what you're going to do (and then getting upset when they guess wrong). Of course, those who didn't read/understand/believe the announcement might be upset, but if you've done your job properly then they only have themselves to blame.

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We seriously can't win!

Not with that attitude you can't. The 'we-can't-win-no-matter-what-we-do-so-why-do-anything?' attitude only works in civil service.

Scoot951 · 15 Sep 2003, 18:40

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Originally posted by Mushroom
You're not counting the people who would shout "YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE A SHUFFLE!!!!!!!11111223$%£%%%" as there would doubtless be.

Shuffle = "Aw ffs, we have to get to know everyone and ticks have started now too! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving "

No Shuffle = "Aw ffs, you've left those people who managed to beat the system and get together in! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving "

Saying there is, then not having one = "You lied to us! ffs you really know how to run a game i'm leaving "

We seriously can't win!

Wait, you're working on the assumption that if PA announced that there would be a shuffle, there's a better than decent chance that there wouldn't be one? That's not good at all.

Mushroom · 15 Sep 2003, 18:44

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Originally posted by Scoot951
Wait, you're working on the assumption that if PA announced that there would be a shuffle, there's a better than decent chance that there wouldn't be one? That's not good at all.

No no that's not what i said at all! What i said was going by what i read from the posts above that! It was purely theoretical.
Yes, there is the point that we could just announce a shuffle and then definitely have one, but i can't personally answer why that doesn't happen so i won't attempt to.
I'm just going to stop posting now, because anything i say will be taken down and used in evidence against me.

Chax · 15 Sep 2003, 19:19

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Originally posted by Mushroom
I'm just going to stop posting now, because anything i say will be taken down and used in evidence against me.

You said last night that you'd stop posting and you asked me to stop replying, which I did. You however have continued to post, so why should we believe you this time?

You'll be back with a witty reply to this I'm sure. And if you are't I'll just delete this post to look less of a fool.