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slopy · 16 Dec 2003, 03:47

Verry nice move from the top Galaxy (16:4)

How to be sure you gone win without having inc our stay up the hole night.
Let PA team close 6 planets in the top gal Alll above 5k+ roids sleep for 2 weeks, than you have the rumoers that they going to remove all closed planets. What will you do than contact the pa team and tell you are inocence, and boema you are reopend (afther 2 weeks).
Verry nice short holliday... Nice move 16 4 and PA team.

Best luck in the vuture of this game.

CrazySpoon · 16 Dec 2003, 03:49

PA team then just say you should have come to us 2 weeks ago to get reopened, fk it now we gona delete your bitchy ass! Thats all.

mens · 16 Dec 2003, 04:50

they close first, think later I guess.
in some cases they just close. No thinking involved.

Guran · 16 Dec 2003, 07:36

Better late than never. 5 days before end. Nice strategy indeed.

Multihunters

Why didn't I think of that...

Darky · 16 Dec 2003, 08:35

and they all got resources while being closed, gonna be another nice boost for the score

Lord_Thunderball · 16 Dec 2003, 08:39

And they couldn't get cov opped during that time. So they can spend it now at once without losing a single resource they gained last weeks....

Guran · 16 Dec 2003, 09:10

That's nice too. Myself loosing millions to covert ops each day even with high priority on security. They lost nothing.

No no no, I'm not bitter at all. Merry Christmas!

:santa:

DunkelGraf · 16 Dec 2003, 09:20

Yeah, thats just the way we like it.......

I think they need to change the MOTD a little bit:

During the next week we will remove all closed planets(except for the top cheaters) from the universe, so that the final rankings reflect the true composition of the universe.

For the future rounds (if there are some) i give u one advice, IF u are going to cheat make sure u make it to the top then u can be sure to not get deleted. If u only make it to an average position..... good-bye account :-)

Senater · 16 Dec 2003, 09:22

another sad day for PATEAM, is there any hope.

Hellraizer · 16 Dec 2003, 10:31

Indeed, and take a look @ pilkare and compare the 2 topgals in score and roids and u clearly see the benefits of sleeping scoregaining planets

WAY TO GO PATEAM

Oh and look here, im a top 40 planet i loose in covop each day around 250k of each resource, thats in 14 days 3.5mill of M 3.5mill of E 3.5mill of C i guess most of the planets in top 2 is cooped a lot more so say they loose 5 mill of each those 14 days (and its probarly a lot more), thats 15mill x 10 planets = 150MILL i dont know how much score that is, but its clearly that PATEAM has lost the control

Lord_Thunderball · 16 Dec 2003, 11:16

Well, we can't blame 16:4 can we? So Mens i still love you \0/

I'm never really against the PA Team. I never say they are bad etc etc, cause I know most things are hard to accomplish and ofcourse they do there best....

But c'mon, if you reopen one planet after two weeks.... I forgive your stupidity, if you reopen two planets after two weeks.... One of them have to be mens.

But five(or six?)... Ugh Ugh.... Yeah sure...

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 11:32

This clearly proive pa team is afraid to delete top planets. Yesterday 6 planets were closed in one gal (top gal). Now only 3 remain. I think we will see them reopened too within 24 hours.

Lol, this is so pathetic.

way to go pa team. either you are afraid to delete them (being top planets) or you are theatened in some way by the alliance they are member of: we will leave PA if you dont reopen them.

After 2 weeks, of closure, you reopen them? lol.

Stew · 16 Dec 2003, 11:41

I'm pretty sure they didnt want to be closed! Also during this time #2 gal more than caught up on roids.

Just because they were closed, doesnt mean they actualy cheated, and openin planets 'proves' this.

CrazyConrad · 16 Dec 2003, 11:44

This has always been a pathetic issue in planetarion so no surprise there at all.
Pateam has made a habbit of protection the top gals/planets and screwing over the not so big gals/planets.

Way the go !! another **** up to be added to your records...

slopy · 16 Dec 2003, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew

I'm pretty sure they didnt want to be closed! Also during this time #2 gal more than caught up on roids.

Just because they were closed, doesnt mean they actualy cheated, and openin planets 'proves' this.

LMAO why wait for 2 weeks? Wen the heard closed planets will be removed and end date is set. Sudenly they reponed the planets.

If they are reopend remove resources from them a sort of ammount more than fair for the other galaxys.
Nice saving without beinig cooped wen they will beopened remove 50k mil of each more than fair.

Just again 1 more thing to stop with this game wen the round is over.
Great job PA team

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 13:28

OC they wanted to be closed! safe from attacks/coop.

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew

Just because they were closed, doesnt mean they actualy cheated, and openin planets 'proves' this.

Planets are closed after enuf evidence has been gathered, thats what they always say....

Some admin told me yesterday that it was prolly because they cudnt get to talk to admin earlier because they werent in the posiiton to do so. Nice suggestion (naive.....). If 3 planets have no time for 2 weeks to contradict evidence, then they are either family, or they were one person, or they were comfortable being closed and safe.

Zeus · 16 Dec 2003, 13:37

Surely intreresting situation indeed, I cant seem to think any excuse or senerio which would result in this.

gzambo · 16 Dec 2003, 13:39

total of closed planets in top gal was 6/8 (i think) by not closeing them that ensures that those players pay for next rd but i dont think Pa-crew or watever ur calling urselves these days realise's is that a hell of a lot more ppl will quit ,not bother playing next rd because of this

Damocles · 16 Dec 2003, 13:42

It's quite unbeleivable.......

I must have missed the bit in the manual that states you have to bribe PA Crew in order to win

I was closed myself this round - for 30 mins... I never got any explanation as to why i was closed. or why I was re-opened. (and no, I have not cheated!)

It seems with 16 4 you had sufficient evidence to close them, and leave them closed for several weeks but now.. all of a sudden.. just before round end, you OPEN THEM ?????

I really do feel that in this case you will need to publish your information if you are going to retain any credibility at all.....

If you just stay slient then people - us - that actually play the game - are going to suspect the worse, that you can be simply cajoled or bullied into submission by any large allaince.

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Surely intreresting situation indeed, I cant seem to think any excuse or senerio which would result in this.

Zeus, tnx for your support.

Hellraizer · 16 Dec 2003, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remy

Planets are closed after enuf evidence has been gathered, thats what they always say....

If 3 planets have no time for 2 weeks to contradict evidence, then they are either family, or they were one person, or they were comfortable being closed and safe.

Was it not 6?

Xeno · 16 Dec 2003, 14:32

The question I would like to ask to all of you who are complaining about the reopening of planets in 16:4 in thsi thread, is quite simply: Now what are you prepared to do?

Xeno

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 14:35

no, 3. the other 3 are still closed ( ithink, that can chnage any minute....)

Zeus · 16 Dec 2003, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remy

Zeus, tnx for your support.

Its isnt support to anyone actually, I'ts just my couriousity. I dont know the facts of the case nor the excuses given and rationalisiation off reopening. I dont decirve to know, but I would agree, due to end of round, #1 gal, 6 in one gal, fact they have been closed for 2 weeks and reopened, does indeed decirve an annocement of some sort. They may have been one, I havent seen it as yet.

I dont expect any announcment pateam will make will keep many off you happy, but before anyone starts crying, insulting, etc... at least take onboard their situation, examine the rules, understand what pateam says is the trueth as far as they know and can prove it, before making any replies.

Lord_Thunderball · 16 Dec 2003, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno

The question I would like to ask to all of you who are complaining about the reopening of planets in 16:4 in thsi thread, is quite simply: Now what are you prepared to do?

Xeno

It's not about the planets in 16:4, Ofcourse 18:4 wants those people deleted so they will be #1. It's not about the people in 16:4, it's about what the PA Team did with them(closing and reopening).

Ofcourse 16:4 benefits big time if they all get reopend. But can't reall blame them for that benefit.

mist · 16 Dec 2003, 15:43

they were closed because the hunters believed that they cheated. they were opened because they explained things away to a point where we couldn't be 100% sure that they cheated.

in a p2p universe we can't really delete planets without firm evidence, so there's not a lot else we can do.

personally, i think that the 2 weeks "grace" period needs shortening significantly, and that only a % of resources need to be gained whlie closed. however changing things mid round would only result in more complaining than leaving the system as it is at the moment.

therefore not something i see changing this round, but something that, if still relevant, will hopefully change next

-mist

Rumad · 16 Dec 2003, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mist

they were closed because the hunters believed that they cheated. they were opened because they explained things away to a point where we couldn't be 100% sure that they cheated.

in a p2p universe we can't really delete planets without firm evidence, so there's not a lot else we can do.

personally, i think that the 2 weeks "grace" period needs shortening significantly, and that only a % of resources need to be gained whlie closed. however changing things mid round would only result in more complaining than leaving the system as it is at the moment.

therefore not something i see changing this round, but something that, if still relevant, will hopefully change next

-mist

LOL

I think the motto to this story is "get your facts right before closure kiddies.

Remy · 16 Dec 2003, 16:23

ah well, those who deserve to be reopend shoul;d be reopened. im just pissed at the way how unclear things are sometimes.

NEWSBOT3 · 16 Dec 2003, 16:45

I'm impressed at how 'knowledgable' some people in this thread are.

for a start, we dont discuss closures with anyone other than the planet involved, for a second point, you cant count, because i've just checked every planet there and there are NOT 6 planets open which were previously closed.
Therefore mr slopy, you sir, are a liar.

And, since its been two weeks, those still closed are about to get deleted, since they have failed to convince us they were not cheating.

Razorback · 16 Dec 2003, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Surely intreresting situation indeed, I cant seem to think any excuse or senerio which would result in this.

one possible situation was the We had the fang incident with an extended downtime, ran for a few days had the next downtime for the voteing, so infact afterall we lost already 1 of the 2 weeks in question purely with downtimes where no work on any cases could have been done.
The remaining week (or less than a week) might have been used to look at evidence and depending on the closure times on the replies of the ppl in question.
Imo closeing a planet for 5-7 days isnt that unusual this round, seeing other cases where it took the planet in question atleast 3-4 days to get even an official reply out of pa, why he was closed in the first place.
PPL who complain about the high advantage of beeing closed 2 weeks must see that your own account was more then one week unaccessable like theirs and they also lost 1 weeks chance to roid/gain score. 6 players in one galaxy gives the "catch up" galaxys alot of advantage even if it comes out that youre innocent and you get reopend & ressources replaced.
Just my 2 cents, since most of the planets are dragons and 2-3 still are closed i must say alot of this thread is an outcry and showoff of wrong informations mixed with ignorance of the last 2weeks happenings.

Lord_Thunderball · 16 Dec 2003, 18:49

It's not usefull for a 6k player to gain roids.. So that's crap. Though the other planets had ofcourse not the ability to reach the 6k roids. Which ofcourse sucks for them. I have nothing against the players from 16:4, I just can't see why over and over again people get closed, and have two weeks to explain to get reopend.

And because they are high ranked they attract a lot more attention ofcourse. Will see what happens.

King · 16 Dec 2003, 19:57

I never thought I would see the day when a senior PA Offical calls a PAYING member a liar, actually let me rephrase. I never thought I would see the day when a senior PA Offical would call a PAYING member a liar in such a public place as the forums. I don't know what is happening to this place.

NEWSBOT3 · 16 Dec 2003, 20:04

simple. he's not telling the truth, therefore he's lying.

im not going to be diplomatic about it just for his sake.

Nitros · 16 Dec 2003, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by King

I never thought I would see the day when a senior PA Offical calls a PAYING member a liar, actually let me rephrase. I never thought I would see the day when a senior PA Offical would call a PAYING member a liar in such a public place as the forums. I don't know what is happening to this place.

you're repeating urself..
anyways..to the point
if you go to the shop and say that roots are pink, would you be suprised if they'd say you're a liar?

-edit- btw your user tittle isnt upto date

-edit-

Eventh · 16 Dec 2003, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

simple. he's not telling the truth, therefore he's lying.

im not going to be diplomatic about it just for his sake.

simple, you lack any proffesionalism and should be removed from the team..

NEWSBOT3 · 16 Dec 2003, 20:42

your sounding like a broken record already.
im sorry i dont pamper the facts for you as if you cant handle them or something.

Jackal2112 · 16 Dec 2003, 23:40

hehe. i agree with NB3 here tbh, at least someone dares to speak up about the lame whining

mens · 17 Dec 2003, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

And, since its been two weeks, those still closed are about to get deleted, since they have failed to convince us they were not cheating.

If you guys could CHECK YOUR MAILS!!!!!! I would've convinced you too.
now I want my money back plz.
Or talk to your boss.

NEWSBOT3 · 17 Dec 2003, 00:30

what boss exactly ?

i no longer have any association with planetarion.

Feel free to take this issue up with those that do.

Leshy · 17 Dec 2003, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mens

now I want my money back plz.
Or talk to your boss.

For both, you'll have to contact Jolt.

(good luck!)

auther pendragon · 17 Dec 2003, 00:51

this spin doctoring is quite unbelievable

TWO planets in total were reopened

one was opened with an apology from the hunter involved that he hadnt been reopened earlier because that hunters pc had been broken for 2 weeks

the other waited as it was the second time with exactly the same evidence, for mr brick (who examined him and repoened him last time) and only went to the others when it was pointed out that they were deleting unresolved closures and mr brick was awol

as far as the others are concerned we can only speculate or go on what could be classed as heresay but

1) 2 people in 16:4 were closed for exactly the same reason and one was reopened with an apology(he stayed on irc ect) the other one got fed up with waiting so stopped going on irc
2) one person was 100 % to be deleted as he got fed up with the appeals procedure so told pa crew in a very direct way what he thought of them ("shove this f**** account up your ***** ect")
3) the #1 player (pre deletion) knew he couldnt be on after mid november since he is away (on mil service i believe) as far as i know he doesnt even know he was kicked from fang in the WA incident) so in either case he would have been deleted as an idle account even if he was opened

and finally it appears that one person who was closed was cleared minutes after his account had been deleted

so how does this benefit 16:4 since unlike 18:4 who had the same thing happen earlier in the round there is little or no chance of exiling in any big players to replace them at the last week in the game( just to remind you they exiled the two certain deletions, and the other prooven cheaters(including ones in that gal)were reopened with a small penalty and a lot of resources)

and finally remy im surpised that you were involved in this since you voiced exactly the same frustrations at time taken sorting things out when it was the 5 ppl in your gal that were closed

then again it must have been a worrying time for you since yeaterday you already thanked focht ect for the #1 gal place

17 Dec 2003, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

what boss exactly ?

i no longer have any association with planetarion.

Feel free to take this issue up with those that do.

Says it all ?

Stew · 17 Dec 2003, 01:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange

Says it all ?

Definately.
cant deal with the shit so leave, not thinkin of the consequences, sad, very.

Leshy · 17 Dec 2003, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew

cant deal with the shit so leave

If you don't have a clue, then don't comment.

NEWSBOT3 · 17 Dec 2003, 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew

Definately.
cant deal with the shit so leave, not thinkin of the consequences, sad, very.

my reasons for leaving are clearly stated.
not that i think that matters , you'll find your own conspiracy reasons whatever i say.

Hellraizer · 17 Dec 2003, 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by auther pendragon

( just to remind you they exiled the two certain deletions,

Wrong, only one was closed and deleted. and that ruler admitted he cheated/swapped

Razorback · 17 Dec 2003, 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by auther pendragon

then again it must have been a worrying time for you since yeaterday you already thanked focht ect for the #1 gal place

its nice to be loved

auther pendragon · 17 Dec 2003, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellraizer

Wrong, only one was closed and deleted. and that ruler admitted he cheated/swapped

zmeu and grim spring to mind

i know zmeu was later cleared but he was exiled by that time

lizardking · 17 Dec 2003, 03:13

LOL!

Good Going PA crew \o/
/me raises a hat for ya all

I'm so glad I'm done with this game...

If they phucked me over like mens for example, I'd prolly sue'em for just those 10e they stole from my bankaccount even if the whole judge and the jury thing would cost me 1000x more than the actual product they sold me (a planet in this case), only for the fun of it.

I'd expect Jolt (and it's minions) to atleast make a public apology and secondy give these ppl their moneys (I'd expect there to be more than just 1) back for wasted time and efforts. Ignoring sum1 until it's too late to fix the problem is hardly what I'd call a fair play.

I'll just laugh my arse off it they still ask money for this piece of ****

...not to mention feeling sorry for those who r actually willing to pay for it.