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Unread 3 Mar 2006, 16:49   #1
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dda's trial continues

Here is another news article on my trial. I will post another one later about the testimony of the defendant. When it's over I'll give you my thoughts on it.

http://www.lodinews.com/articles/200...amo_060302.txt
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Actually, here is the latest story.

http://lodinews.com/articles/2006/03...amo_060302.txt
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it sounds as if it depends on who the jury believes more than anything else.

The crying could have been a nice touch though.
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It could be seen as self-pity though, also looking away from everyone while giving evidence seems dodgy, we all know about liars avoiding eye contact. He seems to have nothing to offer other than "I'm a pillar of the community and the other guy was possibly a criminal".

I'd be more sympathetic if Alamo was honest enough to admit he was simply scared and panicked. However I get the impression he's just a right-wing nutjob who's seen too many cowboy films.
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Does this imply he's just sold half his soul to Satan?
Don't tell me that figure is just completely random,
I'm pretty sure bail amounts are not completely random.

And already asked and answered.
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Fact is , the guys story already contradicts some of what was said previously, and from whats been reported so far, hes going down.
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Personally i think his actions weren't that unreasonable certainly not enough for murder, theres little point in allowing public ownership of guns without accepting that ambigious circumstances will arise, i do realise that this isn't explicitlly about gun ownership.
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I'm pretty sure bail amounts are not completely random.

And already asked and answered.
Stupid questions; does bail actually have to be paid?
.. or does coming up with guarantees suffice (such as putting your house etc up)?

Does anyone besides americans use bail?
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we use the concept of bail (i'd be surprised if any jurisdiction didn't)

however in britain you do not [b]buy[/B your bail.
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You don't buy bail? Sorry, I'm just confused now, what else can you do with it?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bail
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Security, usually a sum of money, exchanged for the release of an arrested person as a guarantee of that person's appearance for trial.
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You don't buy bail? Sorry, I'm just confused now, what else can you do with it?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bail
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Security, usually a sum of money, exchanged for the release of an arrested person as a guarantee of that person's appearance for trial.
Release from imprisonment provided by the payment of such money.
A person who provides this security.
that's an american dictionary defining american bail ...

Bail is a mechanism for keeping people accused of crimes on remmand (awaiting trial) without locking them up in prison. In britain bail is granted after considering certain criteria such as:
1) the likelihood of the accused running away before trial
2) the likelihood of the accused committing another offence while on bail

The british courts do not grant bail on the basis of how much money the accused is prepared to pay.
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bail
procedure by which a judge or magistrate sets at liberty one who has been arrested or imprisoned, upon receipt of security to ensure the released prisoner's later appearance in court for further ..

So bail as you're using it is just simply not keeping them locked up?
(sorry, I am just plain confused)
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bail
procedure by which a judge or magistrate sets at liberty one who has been arrested or imprisoned, upon receipt of security to ensure the released prisoner's later appearance in court for further ..

So bail as you're using it is just simply not keeping them locked up?
(sorry, I am just plain confused)
I'm using 'bail' the way the british courts use it.

If that's what the encyclopedia britanica has on the subject then it is wrong (probably because of the need for brevity).

Just read what I've said. I've not lied to you.
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Ok. Less confused now then. Thanks.

Yeah, the decision to keep people avaiting trial locked up or not is done by the judge based on probabilty they will run and/or commit new crimes here too.
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Ok. Less confused now then. Thanks.

Yeah, the decision to keep people avaiting trial locked up or not is done by the judge based on probabilty they will run and/or commit new crimes here too.
let's describe that as the sensible way

americans though seem happy to abandon common sense and instead put their faith in money
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hmm.. can't find any mention of other countries with such as an insane system either. Seems the US's alone on this one.
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In this case, a friend of the defendant went to the bank and borrowed $333k. He then posted that amount as a surety for the appearance of the defendant who was then released. In the interim, I am informed, the defendant was able to take out a mortgage on his home and repay his friend. All of the money will be returned at the point where the defendant is remanded into custody (guilty) or discharged (not guilty).

To Milo, should you look back in, I agree that the outcome ought to be manslaughter. I will be angling my arguments in that direction. However, the jury will have the option of murder, though I think that unlikely.

Here is yesterday's action: http://www.lodinews.com/articles/200...amo_060303.txt
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Ah, so simply providing security isn't enough, you actually have to produce the money..

The interest rates on that kind of money will be baaad though, espicially if the trial drags on abit .. sounds pretty insane..
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Ah, so simply providing security isn't enough, you actually have to produce the money..
You can post a property bond, at least in some cases/jurisdictions. I imagine it's a more complicated procedure though. Banks are in the business of loaning money, so it's probably faster/easier to go through one of them.
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The interest rates on that kind of money will be baaad though, espicially if the trial drags on abit .. sounds pretty insane..
Interest rates on home mortgages aren't that bad. You just don't want to go to a bail bondsman--that gets expensive.
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