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23 Aug 2003, 04:32
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The answer: we are all equal
If everybody thinks about it. we are all Homo Sapiens = Human - therefore race is irrelevant no matter what colour, race, religeon, or whatever ypu beleive in, you are human, amd therefore we, and the WHOLE OF THE HUMAN RACE ARE EQUAL!!!!!!!!!
The Words of Skraggeh (AKA Neil Morton ) are his own. not embellisheshed nor edited nor typed by him
God Bless the Human Race!!!
(Albeit Skraggeh himself is not religeous, but hopes that others will follow his way)
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23 Aug 2003, 04:35
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some are more equal than others.
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23 Aug 2003, 04:42
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Why? Why do have or strive to be more greater than the rest of your bretheren?
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23 Aug 2003, 05:24
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Why? Why do have or strive to be more greater than the rest of your bretheren?
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Because if we strive for nothing, what's the point in living ...
Thought I agree, striving to be better then other's isn't nessisarily the answer.
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23 Aug 2003, 06:14
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What sort of equality is this? Obviously I am not equal to certain others in sporting ability or legal knowledge. At what point in our evolution did we become equal? Is this on the level of individuals - at what point in my life did I become equal to you, and at what point will I stop being equal? Are you suggesting humans are fundamentally different from other biological species somehow? Are you simply making a philosophical statement like "all members of any particular category are equal in a meaningless sense"? Is this related to human rights or other popular egalitarian movements?
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23 Aug 2003, 08:41
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I have a bad heart and am about a foot taller than most people. I don't think I'm equal to very many people.
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23 Aug 2003, 09:56
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We're not equal, i own my mate at tetris :ninja:
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23 Aug 2003, 12:45
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mirai
I have a bad heart and am about a foot taller than most people. I don't think I'm equal to very many people.
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23 Aug 2003, 13:02
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What I mean is, everyone is created equal as humans, and wars due to differences in belief, colour of skin, ancestory etc are meaningless. We are all human, im not saying we are all equal, because that would mean that the human race's most notable power - individuality - would be meaningless.
Its hard to say really, but what I am trying to convay is that racism, sexism, ageism, and all the other "ism"s in my eyes are pointless, because once you look past everything else about us, we are all Human Beings! We're in this for the long run, folks, cause this planet is ours, no-one elses, and we the human race have sole responsibility for its survival.
We shouldnt be having petty squabbles with each other over who's god is best, or which skin colour is more fashionable, or because someones Uncle Albrecht pissed on someones tree about 5000 years ago. We are in the new millenium...
...please, let it be a peaceful one.
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23 Aug 2003, 13:05
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Then its decided then. No more wars, ever. Well done - if only someone had thought of this sooner. :)
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23 Aug 2003, 13:06
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please remove your head from your anus and take a look around you.
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23 Aug 2003, 13:09
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Originally posted by Add
please remove your head from your anus and take a look around you.
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Either this is a very profound summary of my words, or an insult. Pray tell!!!
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23 Aug 2003, 13:16
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Quote:
Originally posted by Evil Skragg
Either this is a very profound summary of my words, or an insult. Pray tell!!!
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It was an insult.
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23 Aug 2003, 13:18
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Ahh, then it would seem like I am not the only person with ones head up their arse! I talk of peace and equality, and yet am insulted, why is this?
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23 Aug 2003, 13:20
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Is this a troll? I've lost the distinction these days
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23 Aug 2003, 13:24
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Quote:
Originally posted by Evil Skragg
Ahh, then it would seem like I am not the only person with ones head up their arse! I talk of peace and equality, and yet am insulted, why is this?
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Because if you truly believe what you are typing, then you sir, are an idiot.
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23 Aug 2003, 13:25
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How can this be a troll? I am voicing my opinions, which i have carefully posted to be as inoffensive to anybody!!
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23 Aug 2003, 13:52
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Re: The answer: we are all equal
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Originally posted by Evil Skragg
If everybody thinks about it. they are all banknotes = money - therefore type is irrelevant no matter what colour, country, denomination, or whatever is printed on them, they are banknotes, amd therefore they, and ALL OF THE BANK NOTES ARE EQUAL!!!!!!!!!
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My version makes just as much sense as yours, i.e. total bollocks.
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23 Aug 2003, 14:15
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All people should be treated equally but not all people are equal.
Simple.
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23 Aug 2003, 14:15
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Grr
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23 Aug 2003, 14:17
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Down boy.
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23 Aug 2003, 14:22
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woof bloody woof
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23 Aug 2003, 14:24
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Roll over.
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24 Aug 2003, 21:19
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Quote:
Originally posted by queball
Are you suggesting humans are fundamentally different from other biological species somehow?
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Yes, they're humans. Duh.
Humans share certain characteristics (their species character as Marx calls it). This is fairly uncontroversial. One of these characteristics would seem to be some kind of "consciousness" which no other animal seems to posess. This property (with others) instructs (or encourages) "reasonable" people to treat other humans in such a fashion. We term these rights.
These rights therefore stem from our biological character. The fact that humans differ in certain secondary characteristics (speed, mental agility, skin colour, etc) is not relevent for these purposes. There are some humans who do not posess this character - i.e. people in comas, severely brain damaged people, some of the mentally ill and so forth. These people generally are offered protection but do not have the same rights as others.
This is the important manner we mean "equality" in a rights/political context. Similarly, a one pound coinis quite evidently not the same as five twenty pences, yet it clearly has the same value (we can call it 'equal').
(p.s. I know this thread is garbage and I'm bumping it, but I felt like posting a response to this particular post. Bertrand Russell makes a similar point in an essay, and I can't respond to him)
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24 Aug 2003, 23:11
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I don't class myself as being the same as those people that set that bloke on fire, or raped and murdered that old woman, or (continue ad infinitum). I class myself as being better than they. I am of a higher standing in almost every conceivable notion to those 'people'. They are sub-human. Below me. There are others that are higher than me. Many I would consider to be on the same level as me and deserving the same rights as me. WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT ALL THE SAME.
Also remember that were it not for racism, etc, the world would be completely different now. There is a general concensus among, for instance, white people to find other white people more attractive than black people or asian people, etc. Because of these differences in how we attract each other we are slowly becomming different. Why do you find yourself incapable of comprehending this fact? Evolution. We are not all equal. Not socially. Not physically. Not mentally.
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24 Aug 2003, 23:13
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what the **** exactly are you lot on about?
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25 Aug 2003, 04:43
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Dont ask me, I was pissed out of my skull when i started this thread. dont even remember what I wrote...
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25 Aug 2003, 05:39
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if you think about it, at birth we are all pretty much equal cept for gender. it was takes place the next 1-10-20-30 mins after you are born which decieds the diffrences in equailty. Babys arnt racist til tought, Education comes with availabilty and in the end we are all corupt by socialism unless you put your faith in something that allows you to rise above it.
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25 Aug 2003, 10:50
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Quote:
Originally posted by Queen DAX
and in the end we are all corupt by socialism unless you put your faith in something that allows you to rise above it.
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you were making a fairly good if slightly random point until this. wtfwtfwtfwtf
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25 Aug 2003, 11:59
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Quote:
Originally posted by HAL-9000
WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT ALL THE SAME.
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No-one said we were the same (well, except for idiots).
If we're going to define the word "equal" to be synonomous with "same" then why bother having two words? Equal means something different. To use yet another analogy : If two football teams play and they are evenly matched (i.e. they draw or whatever) then it's a reasonable statement to say "On the day, both teams were equal". This is quite obviously a different meaning to "On the day, both teams were composed of genetically identical teams playing in exactly the same formation with exactly the same levels of fitness, injuries on both sides".
What has evolution got to do with anything? Yes, we are still facing some natural selection pressures, so what? How does that affect anything particularly? Unless there are entire group of people who are regressing mentally (via sex selection or whatever), I don't see why it affects the doctrine of equality.
As regards actions people perform (e.g. criminals) then obviously that's different. The dictum is "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal". Equality before the law quite evidently does not mean that the guilty are punished equally to the innocent.
As for people finding others attractive, the UK has one of the fastest growing "mixed race" population. 50% of black men have a white partner for instance - this is a bit different from a "general consensus".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...of_britain.stm
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25 Aug 2003, 12:21
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once again skragg proves she is a sack of crap
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25 Aug 2003, 12:26
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once again skragg proves she is a sack of crap
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i thought she was a he
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25 Aug 2003, 12:45
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i thought she was a he
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ah yes i made a mistake :S
'she' should be an 'it'
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