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Unread 12 Dec 2008, 01:17   #1
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Exploit?

Well, this round have seen a couple of interesting strategies. Like omb idling the round in c200 and 5:3 imploding on the first sign of incoming.

The last "strategy" to join that list is the vac mode exploit in 7:8. Using vac mode to avoid incoming has always been done, and you've had to suffer 48 hours without any income and people laugh at you for being a pussy.
However the difference here is that the planets in 7:8 that go into vac mode don't have to suffer the 48 hours income penalty because the admins will force all planets out at 20.00 tomorrow. This means they get the advantage of avoiding incoming when they knew it was planned, but they dont have to pay the full price.
Clearly exploiting an ingame feature. In my opinion the game admins should let the 7:8 planets stay in vac mode for the 48 hours and then force them out after that period. They get the advantage of avoiding incoming tonight and have to pay the full price of being cowards.
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Wrong forum, was supposed to post this in planetarion discussions... win by default
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Re: Exploit?

Its a clear exploit but they arnt breaking any rules.

So all you can do is suggest that they change the rules so it cant happen next time. For example, 2days before bringing everyone out of vac mode, they disable the option to go into vac mode (So that anyone who goes into Vac mode, is in for 2days minimum).

and hit the remaining planets today, then go and hit the other planets hard tomorrow.
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so would any of the aforementioned chickens care to make a comment
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and hit the remaining planets today, then go and hit the other planets hard tomorrow.
Yeah quite hilarious, i am told killerbee instigated this getting his ass planets ingal (probably biggest ass planets in uni) to vacmode, meaning not only does he lose most of the def he could have leeched (which he does... often..) but everyone who is now pissed not being able to launch on their original targets are now launching on him. great strategy!!
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Yeah quite hilarious, i am told killerbee instigated this getting his ass planets ingal (probably biggest ass planets in uni) to vacmode, meaning not only does he lose most of the def he could have leeched (which he does... often..) but everyone who is now pissed not being able to launch on their original targets are now launching on him. great strategy!!
his strategy got a strength though.. all the biggest and fattest ass are in gal, they dont get incs means he can justify leeching all the def from ASS easier..
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oh i hope the ass members will realise how killerbee has used them all round for his planet rank and refrain from sending him def
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Re: Exploit?

isnt vacation mode 72 hours ?
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Re: Exploit?

48 but they are exploiting it because all planets in vac mode are taken out of vac fri night 20:00 gametime so they dont suffer a full 48hrs without income but avoid incoming tonight
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You have the option of putting your planet into a vacation mode if you are going away. While your planet is in vacation mode you cannot be attacked, however you do not accumulate resources and cannot log into your planet for a duration of at least 72 ticks.
You cannot enter vacation mode if you have any fleets out or any fleets prelaunched.
But be careful! Prelaunched fleets are already on the way to your planet!
The manual is very outdated on this issue, not only about the lenght but also prelauched fleets seem to get recalled when a planet enters vacation mode, dispite the opposite being stated. Which way is considered "working as intended"?
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Re: Exploit?

Got home from movie, over half my gal in vac mode and saw 5 waves of audentes prelaunched on me(rly brave).

Guees ill take some peanuts aswell!

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others who followed after were just following so!

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btw did i say it's just stupid?
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oh i hope the ass members will realise how killerbee has used them all round for his planet rank and refrain from sending him def
post early next time, so I bother to login to take part also
killerbee deserves all the def for him.
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oh i hope the ass members will realise how killerbee has used them all round for his planet rank and refrain from sending him def
although i dont agree with what he's done, i must say that KB has worked his ass(get it?) off for ASS, and while some players joined exactly for the reason you stated, i can definitely tell you he isn't one of them.
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The min time for vacation mode is 72 hours, and what they have done is brilliant, but is easily fixed for next round. Simply disable the ability to go into vac mode 72 hours prior to forcing everyone out and there is no abusable feature. Cool
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Wrong forum, was supposed to post this in planetarion discussions... win by default
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Re: Exploit?

I think this is pretty hilarious. I also think they'll get raped hard tomorrow night. That is all.
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U need the whole game if u intend to launch on our ASSes.
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U need the whole game if u intend to launch on our ASSes.
or two half decent sized ascendancy planets...
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or two half decent sized ascendancy planets...
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I think this is pretty hilarious. I also think they'll get raped hard tomorrow night. That is all.
I hope Asc/Aud decide to go back tonight, nice when the community polices itself against exploits.. As makes other people think twice before trying it.

I.E. 7:8 would of probably had one big hit on them without fleeing into vac mode, now they've gone into vac mode.. They'll have 1.5 :P
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Re: Exploit?

I'm not quoting all 1 by 1, just putting some comments:

- As more ppl say, this isn't against the rules. So everyone could have done it if they wanted (for instance to get a full night of normal sleep if they were up to it)
- Personally for me it has been a great round, and this is a nice way to bring some extra life in this round (and piss some ppl and alliances of (persons intended know it) )
- ppl telling KB is a def-leech clearly haven't rlly played with him; more often he rearranged his own plans to cross-def, and I don't have to mention who calced, organised and called/texted people for defense. Not many attacks landed. He also is a big addition to the alliance in multiple ways
- if ppl want to keep attacking us last week because of this, they really have to do so. It not only proofs they aren't incapable of attacking/organising real targets but they have also little ability to be original

As the idea of entering vac-mode was brought up, I was enlightened to look forward to some fun after being ill for some days and giving me a quiet night. And offcourse the risk is huge of being targeted afterwards untill the end of the round; that's just the way human kind reacts cause they can't stand their plans being f*cked up and they don't have a decent answer for that.

If such a thing would have happened to me (as in I would have planned the attacks) I wouldn't whine about it cause I knew it wasn't against the rules. I would curse a bit, rearrange my plans and just continue the game.

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oh i hope the ass members will realise how killerbee has used them all round for his planet rank and refrain from sending him def


Please explain me....... cause I'm really not getting your point......

FACT: we (ass-members in 7:8) mostly let our reported incs set to covered, cause we covered it ourselves or by crossdef
FACT: KB is in top10 of most active defenders in alliance

And you are stating the above? Are you talking about the same game? What have you been drinking/smoking?
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ive heard of double posting.... but TRIPLE POSTING?!!? quite impressive work there nitty bittums
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ye your crossdef abilities are amazing.. nothing like sending fleets from vac mode planets. or. right...

by going into vac mode you not only displayed how weak your gal really is you also sold out the others who didnt have the option of vac.. -15% roids in gal with most hostiles in vac mode.. and knowing the rest of them will get hit again.. just shows that 7:8 are lucky that they are ranked as high as they are.. pretty much the same as 5:3.. when the going gets tough, here it should say the tough gets going.. but these two gals just proved that fencing and general luck avoiding incs is better than being good at something or toughen up.. vac mode and self exile implode.. good top gals this round, atleast a half decent one seem to be winning
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ive heard of double posting.... but TRIPLE POSTING?!!? quite impressive work there nitty bittums


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Re: Exploit?

to set record straight

1- this rd i have recieved total 23 def fleets (4 of those last night) from ASS planets outside of my galaxy. also consider first 2 weeks we had 3 nights without incs. rest of defence came from ingal and when i DC gal incs other planets get covered first and my incs LAST, whatever i did in previous rounds....

....i dont think i can be called a def leech this round.

2- i refused ASS defence last night.

3- news scan me, no fleets out when i knew we had asc incs, i could have gone into vacation mode last night but i elected not to.

i think BA, gzambo and el alan shd apologise for getting their facts wrong
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3- news scan me, no fleets out when i knew we had asc incs, i could have gone into vacation mode last night but i elected not to.
once the other planets went into vac mode we did a jgp on you at 11:45pm ish and seen you had 1 fleet returning eta 1 so we prelaunched fleets before it was home
for you to go into vac mode with so much pre-launched on you would have killed your fleet so you didnt have the choice

the whole lets go vac mode to avoid incoming was your idea but with fleets still returning it backfired on you
so it was poetic justice

oh and the only thing im sorry bout was not having higher fleet value to cap more of your roids
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Re: Exploit?

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i think BA, gzambo and el alan shd apologise for getting their facts wrong
Why? My statement still is correct. You could a lot easier have justified getting all the defense from ASS because the rest of your ASS galmates were in vac mode. The fact you didnt doesnt change the fact that you could...
And you really think we care enough about you personally to have that as a reason for hitting that gal? So when you're roided dry now we wont come back? How is your view up there?
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Unread 12 Dec 2008, 21:29   #35
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once the other planets went into vac mode we did a jgp on you at 11:45pm ish and seen you had 1 fleet returning eta 1 so we prelaunched fleets before it was home
for you to go into vac mode with so much pre-launched on you would have killed your fleet so you didnt have the choice
do news scan, i launched that fleet at 11pm
and we were aware of asc incs as soon as we were picked as targ.

so actually ur wrong
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Unread 12 Dec 2008, 21:30   #36
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And you really think we care enough about you personally to have that as a reason for hitting that gal?

actually i suggested u apologise for getting your facts wrong, ur opinions are based on nothing.
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to set record straight

1- this rd i have recieved total 23 def fleets (4 of those last night) from ASS planets outside of my galaxy. also consider first 2 weeks we had 3 nights without incs. rest of defence came from ingal and when i DC gal incs other planets get covered first and my incs LAST, whatever i did in previous rounds....

....i dont think i can be called a def leech this round.

2- i refused ASS defence last night.

3- news scan me, no fleets out when i knew we had asc incs, i could have gone into vacation mode last night but i elected not to.

i think BA, gzambo and el alan shd apologise for getting their facts wrong
Oh please do enlighten me to exactly what fact i got wrong?

i said i was told you instigated the vac idea, i was idd told this by a member of your gal. I said you would lose out on the oppurtunity to whore def which you did! you admit yourself that in other rounds your a defleech, such as like 2 rounds ago you built 0 anti-cr/bs and let 6-7 ASS defleets cover you every time (me and relig hilariously sucking ASS def dry by recall/relaunching from 7pm, a whole 2 of us eating up 20+ fleets heh). In short me saying you often leech def from ASS was in fact right, being a good deffer one round of over 20 doesnt suddenly make you magnificent. I then finished on lolling on your strategy as your own planet got double the incs it would have as peeps launched on you having lost their original targs.

So what am i apologising for? (p.s cheers for roids/xp)
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Unread 13 Dec 2008, 00:17   #38
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Oh please do enlighten me to exactly what fact i got wrong?
you got it wrong that i intended to def leech, you got it wrong that i was gonna go into vac mode. no matter how much you speculate to the opposite, it will never make you right.

'grats on the roids and xp, i did make them very hard to get afterall.
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Unread 15 Dec 2008, 11:50   #39
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what a palava

Firstly, Killerbee has been an asset to ASS this round...
Yes in the past he was a bit of an arrogant boy and a defleach (maybe an understatement too). However, before this round started I was convinced by other's of ASS to not stand in the way of letting him back in the ally, and to be honest I haven't regretted it He's been a dedicated BC not only choosing good targets for all our members to enjoy roiding, but alos helping new members get the most from their attacks too. He is also a top defender, and it is true, like a marter he asked to not have his incoming covered when his gal was being attacked.. tho we did send a few fakey's his way for morale support against his wishes . Thanx Killerbee, and lets hope plans for next round go as well as this round

As for the vacation mode thing...
As i'm not jus here to say stop flaming KB
If people don't like the rulings on how the vacation cuts off.. then maybe you should be opting for a change in the rules instead of flaming those that played with the rules to their advantage. I agree that the ruloing at the moment is a bit silly and should be revised for next round KUDOs to those that have mentioned changing the rules in this thread rather than flaming
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we should all smile more indeed
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He's been a dedicated BC not only choosing good targets for all our members to enjoy roiding, but alos helping new members get the most from their attacks too. He is also a top defender
For me as a new member in ASS, Killerbee has done a great job, and if he has managed to get his gal in the top 5 then i dont see any reason for complaining about it..
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