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Unread 20 Mar 2007, 06:25   #51
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

u could look at it like that, but also, CT/VGN had more players than Destiny, so wouldnt it be fair to be judged on equal peggings?! Basically this thread is shite, and should be deleted
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Basically this thread is shite, and should be deleted
Don't call for threads to be deleted. Doing so is incredibly shit.
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1) Posts directed at one or several mods calling for action. This is in reference to posts within threads calling for action on other posts in that thread. Rather than inflame what you believe to be a bad situation by furthering discussion on it, report the offending posts and let a moderator judge.
My answer by the way is would love to but not against the rules so won't.
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*attempts to delete Disc with his remote control* It ain't workin' !
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Don't call for threads to be deleted. Doing so is incredibly shit.
lmao, and u dont think this thread is shit? its completely pointless, and i can call for what i like thanks. My views are just as worthy as yours, even if you hold your views in higher regard than they deserve.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Very few threads have an intrinsic point beyond abstract debate disc, this does not make them worthless. This thread is about people's opinions of the actions taken, or which were attempted, by destiny at the end of r20. And you can't really call for what you want, we have rules for the forums in general and we have rules for posting on AD specifically in the mod gripes thread at the top of the forum.
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Unread 21 Mar 2007, 07:54   #57
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Very few threads have an intrinsic point beyond abstract debate disc, this does not make them worthless. This thread is about people's opinions of the actions taken, or which were attempted, by destiny at the end of r20. And you can't really call for what you want, we have rules for the forums in general and we have rules for posting on AD specifically in the mod gripes thread at the top of the forum.
Indeed, but flaming an alliance for taking advantage for the way it played at the end of the round, its unjust. If this is the case then flame the top3 Asc planets for taking advantage of the TRUELY shite XP system. Also while your flaming Destiny, why not flame CT also, as they went up 2-3 members in the last 2-3 days also, which im pretty sure didn't have a whole lot to do during the round. This is clearly just a post to tarnish the name of Destiny by some1 posting for the sake of it.
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Indeed, but flaming an alliance for taking advantage for the way it played at the end of the round, its unjust. If this is the case then flame the top3 Asc planets for taking advantage of the TRUELY shite XP system.
There's actually a thread pretty much about that right below this one fyi.

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Also while your flaming Destiny, why not flame CT also, as they went up 2-3 members in the last 2-3 days also, which im pretty sure didn't have a whole lot to do during the round. This is clearly just a post to tarnish the name of Destiny by some1 posting for the sake of it.
I think it's the nature of the recruitment carried out. Whereas I believe CT had two planets leave them on the second to last day and added two (of whose status I am unsure) on the last day, destiny instead mailed planets who they didn't know from adam about joining. Of course I think this thread is interesting because it provides an opening to question what actually an alliance is in pax. Would the addition of four utterly random planets to destiny's tag giving them the win actually mean they were a better alliance than CT in any other sense than that they'd manage to accumulate more score by the end of the round? Probably not. Should the alliance rankings reflect more than mere score accumulation?
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Unread 21 Mar 2007, 10:10   #59
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There's actually a thread pretty much about that right below this one fyi.


I think it's the nature of the recruitment carried out. Whereas I believe CT had two planets leave them on the second to last day and added two (of whose status I am unsure) on the last day, destiny instead mailed planets who they didn't know from adam about joining. Of course I think this thread is interesting because it provides an opening to question what actually an alliance is in pax. Would the addition of four utterly random planets to destiny's tag giving them the win actually mean they were a better alliance than CT in any other sense than that they'd manage to accumulate more score by the end of the round? Probably not. Should the alliance rankings reflect more than mere score accumulation?
Indeed i have read the thread regarding Asc XP whoring for the top3 planets, that does not bother me, as they played the game in a way to ensure they won, nothing wrong there, every1 had the choice to value or xp play.

With regards to CT, i am guessing that they removed low scored scanners from their tag to put in larger planets just below alliance avg limit, maybe CT can elaborate on this, but it seems logical. Therefore the addition of the 2-3 players is either higher scored scanners, or ppl they picked up either by knowing ppl, or by CT members asking gal m8s, my guess is CT gal m8s. Therefore CT's actions were no different to Destinys, its just Destiny were clearly more open in asking people to join tag.

Ofcourse as Furball previously stated, it would be solved if they stopped adding ppl to tag in the last week/2weeks. Although if they implemented this i am sure that the lovely PA community would find a way to address the situation so it becomes to their advantage.

Lastly, PA has became too complexed, no1 has level peggings because their are so many paths to take to become a good alliance/player. If PA is to succeed it needs to be less "complicated", the old Terran format worked, where there is one race, no XP, no alliance limits etc. Therefore every1 would be equal, and winning would mean something, because this round i dont even remember the #1 planet, although i remember rounds ago such as Game, because Game earnt my respect, and Fury/Legion earnt my respect, apart from Exi/1up no alliance has deserved pa respect since Spinner quit. end of.
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This is clearly just a post to tarnish the name of Destiny by some1 posting for the sake of it.
You think I went into this discussion to tarnish the name of Destiny? I have absolutely no interest in doing that and it would gain me nothing by doing so. I had nothing against Destiny (before this), I didn't know who they were and I didn't even play the round.

Basically, I couldn't give a rats ass who did it, my opinions would still be the same.
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You think I went into this discussion to tarnish the name of Destiny? I have absolutely no interest in doing that and it would gain me nothing by doing so. I had nothing against Destiny (before this), I didn't know who they were and I didn't even play the round.

Basically, I couldn't give a rats ass who did it, my opinions would still be the same.
Then its a good thing you didnt start the thread, im failing to see your point to reposting tbh m8, it wasnt aimed at u, it was aimed at the thread starter. You had nothing at Destiny before this? what exactly has this done to make you hate Destiny now? haha.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Is the round over yet?

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Then its a good thing you didnt start the thread, im failing to see your point to reposting tbh m8, it wasnt aimed at u, it was aimed at the thread starter. You had nothing at Destiny before this? what exactly has this done to make you hate Destiny now? haha.
I'm sorry then, thought it was directed at all posts in here. And no, I don't hate Destiny, why would I hate someone in a game?
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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Detiny mail to planets below alliance tag limit -

''are you in any alliance mate?
have you joineed an alliance this round so far?
if the answer to those questions is no then please apply to join Destiny alliance and we will accept you and train you for next round fighting with us!

go go go asap!

when u apply remember to say that 10 9 13 sent you and that you havent been in a tag before''


Nice tactic destiny looks like you deserve to win

I wanna prove that this thread is nothing but wanted and unnecessary gossip and should have been closed by a mod.


@Mods: I have no idea if you guys have any forum experience before but maybe have a closer look at this:

I. The first quote is a section of the result when I googled "general forum rules"

II. The second is another quote taken from wikipedia to prove that this thread was just posted to start an accusation which (ofc) leads to a heated discussion.

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"- Insults are generally forbidden in the forum. This also applies to any form of defamation, agitation, malicious gossip and similar."
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"Flaming is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet. Such messages are called flames, and are sometimes posted in response to flamebait. The word flaming is also sometimes used for long, intensive and heated discussions, even though insults do not occur."
now choose between "you are wrong" and "you are wrong - lets discuss this issue for another 15 posts"
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@Mods: I have no idea if you guys have any forum experience before but maybe have a closer look at this:

I. The first quote is a section of the result when I googled "general forum rules"

II. The second is another quote taken from wikipedia to prove that this thread was just posted to start an accusation which (ofc) leads to a heated discussion.

Antigone, helpfully we have our own forum rules, as well as some specific AD rules. This means that you don't need to go googling as to what the forum rules are


The only type of unsubstantiated posts that explicitly aren't allowed are posts about cheating, since it's very easy to make up an accusation of cheating that is very difficult to ever prove or disprove.

On the other hand, this thread was started with a statement, not an accusation. Koks stated clearly that Destiny had sent out a mass mail to an set of planets falling within a specific score range, and this was true.

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I wanna prove that this thread is nothing but wanted and unnecessary gossip and should have been closed by a mod.
So put up or shut up. You're the first person to dispute that these mails existed, and this thread's already been posted in by a few Destiny members (e.g. Almeida), so.......
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Threads who starts like this:


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I wanna prove that this thread is nothing but wanted and unnecessary gossip and should have been closed by a mod.


@Mods: I have no idea if you guys have any forum experience before but maybe have a closer look at this:

I. The first quote is a section of the result when I googled "general forum rules"

II. The second is another quote taken from wikipedia to prove that this thread was just posted to start an accusation which (ofc) leads to a heated discussion.

I.

and

II.

now choose between "you are wrong" and "you are wrong - lets discuss this issue for another 15 posts"
If you are saying malicious gossip is the same as criticism of an alliance's behaviour (method of recruitment, in this particular case) I think you're very much wrong. The idea of Alliance Discussions and note the word 'Discussions' is discussion. You may not have guessed it so I'll say it again 'discussion'. We want debate. We set rules for that debate. We even let there be a debate on what spam is, and considered it on topic to allow this accusation to be treated on its merits.

If someone writes a post that is clearly opinionated and heavily critical towards one alliance, that is not a flame if they back up their arguments. 'Flames' are unmitigated insults with little background or justification for them. 'Trolling' is even worse because although you might think you are being clever and being more subtle about it, you are posting to deliberately get the rise out of people.

The AD mods are not here for 'quality control' except in the most extreme of circumstances, if we were, as I've said - this thread would have been closed by now. We're here to maintain civilised discourse. Meanwhile, despite my clear post above which stated not calling a mod to action publicly you have chosen to embarrass yourself and myself by making me write another long, off topic justification on how we moderate, because when we're criticised in public, I don't like sweeping things under the carpet, because then people think we don't accept criticism.

If you want to go down the route of trying to harass or undermine the mods to get the forum moderated in your favour you are going the wrong way about it. People who do it persistently have been banned in the past for repeatedly calling a mod to action in public or not using the approved methods of reporting a post. Your best bet is to argue your own point of view clearly and truthfully, from experience.
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So put up or shut up. You're the first person to dispute that these mails existed
No Clue what you are on about, thats wrong. I never denied that these mails existed furball... however. you are the boss.
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With regards to CT, i am guessing that they removed low scored scanners from their tag to put in larger planets just below alliance avg limit, maybe CT can elaborate on this, but it seems logical.

You guessed wrong.

A player with 2 mill value and 3 mill score left the alliance. The second planet was one of his friends following him.

He threw his toys out of the pram because he felt he wanted to use CT for his own personal aims, and hc (at long last) ruled against him.

Frankly his actions both throughout the round and at the end of the round leaving 2 days from end (and attacking CT), shows just how shit he was, and good riddance is all I can say.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

nono he left because of CT hc example in said gal 2:5 i believe, dont skew the truth forest, oh wait there was no truth in what you said.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

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nono he left because of CT hc example in said gal 2:5 i believe, dont skew the truth forest, oh wait there was no truth in what you said.
There was absolute truth in what I said.

He was a whiny twat who threatened to leave all round.

He attacked 2:5:2 and was told not to, yet continued to spam CT channels for ships and didnt pull.
Wasting ships on Destiny was not condusive to our aims of taking down VGN, there was no need to get involved.

Whilst we were at war with Destiny, members were banned from defending Destiny. That was lifted and a ban put on defending VGN and therefor the CT (who was not HC) defended in galaxy.
This was in line with CT policy at that time, and it was the attacker who was breaking policy.

The planet concerned was nothing but a def whore who stated to me on several occasions that he 'dont care about alliance, its all about his planet and gal'. This being a statement that I did indeed discuss with HC.

He is the worst kind of alliance player, and anytime there was any trouble within the CT walls, it was always him behind it (and usually me, I just cant stand that kind of twat, and used to tell him so on a pretty regular basis).

His own personal gain was he wanted to knock Caj out of the top 10 and gain himslef some nice XP. That was not condusive to CT and he threw his toys out when was told he couldnt.

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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

It would have been awesome if vgn had pulled the fleetcatch on caj because of extra CT ingal def and another alliance had won the round because of it. Like better than sex awesome.We just don't get good ironic moments like that anymore. Although I did appreciate game losing PA to another donation whore
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

Hehe.

Certain CT were in constant touch with VGN/ASC and kept fully uptodate with all events. It was never an issue.

In either event, CT command did what the thought was best for the alliance, whereas the planet in question continually played for himself even if it was directly against what CT was trying to achieve.

Hell, I dont know why I keep saying 'the planet concerned'.

The player was Cardinal, and now I would assume that EVERYONE knows what he is like already and that he prides himself on saying 'kaifux is the only person who can control me'.

In my opinion he should of never been recruited in the first place, but thats a different story
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Certain CT were in constant touch with VGN/ASC and kept fully uptodate with all events. It was never an issue.
What?

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In my opinion he should of never been recruited in the first place, but thats a different story
Poor recruitment standards or something?
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What?
Maybe you should talk with your alliance mates more often

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Poor recruitment standards or something?
Must of been, they let me in
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Maybe you should talk with your alliance mates more often
I don't bother if I don't consider it important. However I literally don't know what you're even implying.

I guess you could be talking about the fleetcatch or the round in general but what you could infer from either would be either irrelevant or absurd. Of course maybe there's a third option and you were actually talking about the various efforts to combat the rabbit epidemic facing modern Australian farmers.
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The player was Cardinal, and now I would assume that EVERYONE knows what he is like already and that he prides himself on saying 'kaifux is the only person who can control me'.
Don't suppose we can have another blacklist thread? *wants to add reshou*
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Don't suppose we can have another blacklist thread? *wants to add reshou*
I can think of a few people I'd put on such a blacklist, but I'm not sure it would quite be appropriate for AD
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I don't bother if I don't consider it important. However I literally don't know what you're even implying.

I guess you could be talking about the fleetcatch or the round in general but what you could infer from either would be either irrelevant or absurd. Of course maybe there's a third option and you were actually talking about the various efforts to combat the rabbit epidemic facing modern Australian farmers.
Ascendency were instrumental in orchastrating VGN and Destiny hitting each other at the end of the round, and were behind the fleetcatches and so forth.

I guess thats not important enough.
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

i wouldnt say it was ascendency in particular, it inspiring the vgn destiny hostility, since i was in thick of it i guess i know bit better but was mostly due to my naiviety of suggestion. ... the fc never would of happened if i hadnt thought it was a good idea to attack agony lol. powers of suggestion and my 'weak'(?) view of the political future i guess put to mind, so rather than ascen lets just say certain individuals... heh

i say my 'weak'(?) view of political future, this isnt entirely true tbh.. i wanted a bit of a fun finish to end of round and we got that - turned out OK politically for destiny (except reputation wise:P but NAPs are boring so fk it )
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Re: LOL - how low can destiny go ?

well, in my "defence" going for gosu was a reasonable suggestion i made for caj since winning alliance wise was out of the question (cardinal hadn't left tag at that time), he who dares wins. caj dared and unfortunately for him it didn't work out because both parties (gosu/dest) put more into their respective #1 contendors than it was worth. i could've easily seen either of them winning had they thought some of their direct actions a bit more, such as agony's recall into a fleetcatch and caj not getting pre-def since it was fairly obvious he would have been fleetcaught too. let's not make the parts me and whoever else from ascendancy who was in pm with you all too big, the 'fault' lies with the newbie mistakes
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I guess thats not important enough.
Certainly as regards what I was saying.
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