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Unread 19 Jul 2006, 23:37   #1
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[Football] One down, One to go

Part of the problem at Aston Villa has just been eliminated.

O'leary is finally gone.

Thankgod for that. (Cheers Yahwe)

But he wasnt the main problem. Indeed the main problem was ellis. If only he will step down now before he gets us relegated or alternatively well I dont want this but for the sake of the club. Die.

Anyway will be interesting at Walsall away on Friday.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Hasn't the club been on the market for a while?

I'm sure I read that in the paper the other day.

Edit: Who are you going to get to replace him? Premiership managers are hard to come by. If you end up with Souness I think you've made a grave error.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

First choice O'neil (no chance)

Second choice Curbishley (50/50)

Third choice Ranieri

Then maybe an ex player McInally, Andy Gray, Ian Taylor, David Platt etc
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

I hope you get Terry Venables. :)
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

That would be alright, I reckon we will go for a cheap, easy option so my money could be on Ian Taylor
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

I think it will be Curbishley but the Villa would still need to ask permission from Charlton as he had some sort of clause when he left as far as I know.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Not when O'Leary gets you to the semi-final of the UEFA Cup and Champions League in successive seasons, they don't. ;)
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

You could do worse than the turnip to be honest, who kept you up playing kids.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

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No he didn't, he took a top half team to the brink of relegation only to get sacked and replaced by Peter Reid who managed to keep us out of the relegation zone by only five points.
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I'd find your posts from three seasons ago about how great o'leary was and mock you but I'm feeling a bit lazy today.
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I'd find your posts from three seasons ago about how great o'leary was and mock you but I'm feeling a bit lazy today.
He was great 3 seasons ago, he took us to top 6.

However since then we have gone down and down and down. The club has become worse and worse and worse.

I always say that the manager and the players arent the key problem, the problem is Ellis.

I also stick behind my manager. I gave up to the end of last season to prove himself. He dug his own grave in my opinion. If it wasnt for the victories against the blues and baggies he would have been out sooner.

Im one of the few villa players who supported O'Leary but quite frankly I got sick and tired of it and saw the light.
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Villa PLAYERS? I think we've found the reason you're going down.
Im the 12th man!

Jesus i'm messing up today on the forums!

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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

This reminds me of when a liverpool supporting friend of mine also defended David James as a good goalie. Of course the second he was sold he could acknowledge how shit he was. Football really is just preparation for nationalism
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

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Given how well the Germans have been doing over their history, I'd suggest the opposite is true.
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This reminds me of when a liverpool supporting friend of mine also defended David James as a good goalie. Of course the second he was sold he could acknowledge how shit he was. Football really is just preparation for nationalism
I agree with you to a certain extent. But at villa like most football teams you have the boo boys who at the first sign of trouble start getting on the manager or players back. I see myself as above that which is why certain players I have always given a chance (Jlloyd Samuel, Moore. L, Ridgewell etc) and which is why I supported the manager. My belief is that they play better when supported as opposed to booed. Anyway this season I had enough of O'leary and I believe I have been quite vocal and honest in his belief of getting rid of him.

I just feel sorry for Sunderland if they get him.
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Given how well the Germans have been doing over their history, I'd suggest the opposite is true.
I said nationalism, not war.
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No he didn't, he took a top half team to the brink of relegation only to get sacked and replaced by Peter Reid who managed to keep us out of the relegation zone by only five points.
Turnip = Graham Taylor

Who despite having an utterly shite squad played the kids, brought them on miles and kept them up quite comfortably, only to be booed at home to Sunderland when they managed it.

There's gratitude for you.

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David James, odd clanger aside is a good keeper btw.
We're not talking relative to the entire human race dear, I mean as far as professional first-choice goalkeepers go in top flight football.
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Yeah sorry, you posted right after me, i figured you meant Terry Venables. My bad.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

The problem is neither Ellis nor O'Leary (well actually O'Leary is a shitbag), but the ridiculous expectations of the villa fans. I saw Ellis's spending record since hes came to Villa Park and you've spent at least 60 million more than youve recouped since hes been there.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Curbishley left for a break in footy, highly doubt he'l come back so soon and not even to a top 6 job.
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top 6 job? this is what im talking about
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top 6 job? this is what im talking about
Villa is a top 6 club.

Fans.
Stadium.
History.
Trophies.

We are top 6.

We are the biggest team in the Midlands.

The reason why villa fans expect so much is because thats how we take football. Seriously. We pay our money, we want quality.

You wrote earlier ellis isnt the problem, its the villa fans.

Funny that. Villa fans have been saying sack o'leary since November. Its taken tight arse doug 9 months to do the deeds. If we sacked him Nov, brought in a new manager who knows...But theres one thing that is constant under ellis.

He is a ****.

The guy took over in 1982 after we won the european cup. Since then he hasnt done much for the club. When I look at clubs like spurs (who I believe are also a top 6 club) back in say 1998 I would say villa and spurs were equal status clubs, same positions, same money, similar squads, fans, stadiums etc. Now look at spurs and now look at villa.

Villa is a club in decline.

Purely because of Ellis.

Its not the fans, we still turn up.

Ellis OUT.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Newcastle, spurs, arsenal, utd, pool then everton/villa. They are probably are top six on history, fanbase etc. Of course in terms of quality of the squad they're bottom six.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Forest are a ****ing top 10 club if you look at fans, history, trophies etc.

If you think Villa and Spurs are top6 clubs who do you think are the other 4? Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea? Arsenal? Newcastle? Everton? Wolves? Leeds?

You are where you are in the league because of what happens on the pitch, we're in ****ing league 1 and we arguably have a similar potential as Villa and Spurs, you've had it lucky. Get relegated and see where you are then
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Division One football is some sort of subhuman mockery of the game.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Villa are a big club. Not quite Scouse, Man U or Arsenal size but deffo on the Chelsea/Scouse B/Man City/Newcastle/Forest/Spuds level.

Sometimes i don't understand Villa fans' hatred of Ellis. Up to last season perhaps, Ellis has kept them as one of the most financially stable and professionally run clubs in the country and spunked up a lot of cash in the late 90's when Gregory was in charge only to get burned and probably not want to spend. To me the point has come where Doug is simply too old to run and finance a football club and should hand it over to someone new. The fact in football is that if you aren't Liverpool, Man United or a london club, players don't want to come - you are pretty much ****ed.
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

In less soul-crushingly dull football news barca signed thuram and zambrota.

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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Slightly worrying that the iminent mass influx of italian players into the british league never happened.

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Slightly worrying that the iminent mass influx of italian players into the british league never happened.
That's because to a large extent the british league is dire. Bolton 0-0 Blackburn dire.


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Thats not fair jonny, this is actually the only time EVER that Aston Villa have interested me.

Villa are a top 6 club in a very few categories : Stadium, Previous European History.

In terms of quality of fan, you're not in a position to be objective about that.

In terms of it being a "Top 6" job, thats just laughable. Obviously, the top 4 are arse/ski/yanks/scouse, so basically theres only 2 more "desirable" jobs in england? Well, Newcastle and Tottenham me up - the former may not have won **** all, but they always spend big and their fanbase/stadium are comparable if not greater than yours. Tottenham are finally establishing themselves as a buying, not a selling club, who spend a bit of money, have a nice stadium and established fanbase, and a very promising young crop of players - as well as the fact they are in london, which as lok previously mentioned, is a big deal when it comes to attracting players.

Even then, Everton might have something to say about Villa being bigger than them. The two clubs contest the oldest premier league fixture am i right? Evertons history isnt too unprestigious too, and because they have a secure financial position and a good quality squad (something which villa cannot lay claim to), they are a more attractive package overall than villa.

At the moment, today, in 2006, Aston Villa are about as attractive a club to manage as Bolton Wanderers. Sure, villa's history has more prestige, but not their recent history, and their player base isnt as good. Big Sam is a careerist and i bet he's approached for the villa job - and i suspect he'll turn it down - thats not exactly sounding like a top 6 job.

Re Ellis, yes hes too old to continue running a football club, and yes he should go, but you still havent answered the fact that youve spent £60 million more than youve recouped in his time at the club, and your managers and players have achieved **** all. He owns 39% - a significant portion, sure - but wheres the blame for the other 61%, where are all the buyers that would so mysteriously turn your fortunes around?

Forest are a good example actually - Ste is obviously not happy that they are a League One club now - but he has ADAPTED his expectations - hes not happy with it, but forest fans will deal with it, onwards and upwards and all that. Forest and Villa are actually pretty comparable in terms of overall history / trophies / fans / prestige / attractiveness overall - but the problem with Villa fans is that you HAVENT adapted your expectations - when everyone else in the league knows only to accept that villa are a midtable club at present and for the forseeable future
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

The annual relegation crapshoot might call on Villa this year. Although finishing below watford, reading and sheffield united would be a hell of an accomplishment. I seriously don't know one of their players. Although someone told me ade akinbiyi was back in the premiership
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

Marlon King looks like a decent quality striker; i've heard of a few of the reading boys but not all of them. As i keep saying, i think you need to factor Wigan and Fulham into the equation too. The bookies are also hovering like vultures around charlton, but i dont neccesarily agree with that analysis
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Must be a different Marlon King who looked completely disinterested and slow as shit for us...
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Does this make you happier Piglet?
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Re: [Football] One down, One to go

I think I would prefer Randy Lerner, im not sure why but a sugar daddy appeals to me. Although Neville is a villa fan and will most likely try and sort out villa.

Its interesting period at the moment, hopefully we can challenge for a european spot this season if we are bought out by the end of the week. Lerner and Neville both want O'neil but Lerner wants to bring in Jurgen Klinsman as villa manager which quite frankly would just fricking rock.
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How do you think that Birmingham would attract Jurgen away from the US?
His home country didn't manage it, why would the prospect of managing Aston Villa?
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How do you think that Birmingham would attract Jurgen away from the US?
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M O N E Y

plus Orange County or Aston, not really a tough choice really, Aston any day!

But basically the reason I talk about Jurgen is because that was the manager who Randy Lerner wanted apparently according to the Birmingham Evening Mail. Although its the mail so...
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I was just saying, im a bloody typical villa fan.

We are about to be taken over, and im still not happy (meaning I think id rather have the yank, although im not sure now, maybe a local lad would actually care more about villa than a yank looking to make money.)
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