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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 05:53   #1
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Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
you in any way.

this applies to football fans, citizens of country X, would-be members of the scientific community, space nerds, and just about every other group of stupid faggots on the internet.

'We' didnt win the FA cup, 'we' didnt land on mars, 'we' didnt discover subatomic particles, 'we' wont be competing in the olympics next year, and 'we' certainly didnt defeat another country in war.

Shut up.
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 05:57   #2
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 08:17   #3
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, 'we' didnt land on mars,
couldnt this translate to 'we, humanity as a whole landed on mars'
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 10:02   #4
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couldnt this translate to 'we, humanity as a whole landed on mars'
It must have been a pretty big spaceship that took us there.
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 10:40   #5
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It must have been a pretty big spaceship that took us there.
Obvious and frankly quite lazy response from you.
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 10:50   #6
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
gah

my intelect is far too superior to be on this forum




gawd, who am i kidding
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt invo
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you in any way.

this applies to football fans, citizens of country X, would-be members of the scientific community, space nerds, and just about every other group of stupid faggots on the internet.

'We' didnt win the FA cup, 'we' didnt land on mars, 'we' didnt discover subatomic particles, 'we' wont be competing in the olympics next year, and 'we' certainly didnt defeat another country in war.

Shut up.
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 11:27   #8
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
It's not grammatically incorrect though.
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
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you in any way.

this applies to football fans, citizens of country X, would-be members of the scientific community, space nerds, and just about every other group of stupid faggots on the internet.

'We' didnt win the FA cup, 'we' didnt land on mars, 'we' didnt discover subatomic particles, 'we' wont be competing in the olympics next year, and 'we' certainly didnt defeat another country in war.

Shut up.
Shut up.
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 12:22   #10
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 12:29   #12
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
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you in any way.

this applies to football fans, citizens of country X, would-be members of the scientific community, space nerds, and just about every other group of stupid faggots on the internet.

'We' didnt win the FA cup, 'we' didnt land on mars, 'we' didnt discover subatomic particles, 'we' wont be competing in the olympics next year, and 'we' certainly didnt defeat another country in war.

Shut up.
lol nod's gay
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Unread 31 Jan 2004, 12:29   #13
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
I hate to disagree with the venerable Gordon of Ross, but...
How many football teams would win anything bar non-league games if they had no fans?
How many wars (in the modern world) would even be fought, let alone won by a country that had zero economy?
Obviously when people say 'we won WWI' that doesn't really make a lot of sense since the majority of people who say it won't have been alive at the time.
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
itt the first thing to have genuinly riled up nodrog for a while becomes apparent
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
ITT we hear the stupidest thing nod has ever said
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
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itt the first thing to have genuinly riled up nodrog for a while becomes apparent
Its always irritated me but I used to think it was just dumb sports fans who said it, but now the whole mars thing has taken it to a new level.
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
that might be okay for sports teams, especially for people who only watch 'their' team on television,

but for the mars landing, especially in a (pseudo)democracy, it was paid for by the people, and it was the (pseudo)decision of the people to do it. and we 'did' it.
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We were the last team to win the FA cup 3 times in a row .
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We were the last team to win the FA cup 3 times in a row .
Wasn't that about 120 years ago, though?
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1880's. Arsenal are trying to beat our record this year.
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1880's. Arsenal are trying to beat our record this year.
Well, equal it.
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Indeed, my bad.
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
'oui' went to mars?
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
ITT we show that we don't care.
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
What if you're unsure if you made a contribution or not?

I mean, I pay taxes some of which probably ends up on some sort of scientific research. If "they" cure cancer, can I claim the credit?
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What if you're unsure if you made a contribution or not?

I mean, I pay taxes some of which probably ends up on some sort of scientific research. If "they" cure cancer, can I claim the credit?
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What if you're unsure if you made a contribution or not?

I mean, I pay taxes some of which probably ends up on some sort of scientific research. If "they" cure cancer, can I claim the credit?
Only in the sense that African slaves could claim credit for the success of America.

And if youre wanting to take credit for the cure for cancer because your tax funded it, you're also going to have to take the blame for Iraq and the welfare state.
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I'm not, but I guess I feel partially morally responsible. Does that help?
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
A certain language (I forget which) actually has two different forms of the word "we", one to include groups you were specifically a part of, one to include groups with which you formed a mutual identity in certain aspects. Sux that it's not english tho
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A certain language (I forget which) actually has two different forms of the word "we", one to include groups you were specifically a part of, one to include groups with which you formed a mutual identity in certain aspects. Sux that it's not english tho
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Re: Stop saying 'we' when discussing achievements by groups of people that didnt involve
Actually it's perfectly acceptable to use "we", except in a place where you were completely unrelated.

Say, for instance, Britain did something in Iraq, I would use the term "we helped".
But if it was the Yanks, I wouldn't say "we helped", simply because I'm not from America.

It depends on the context. On a global scale, like landing on Mars, you're permitted to say "we". On a national scale, as in something your country does (like say, win the World Cup), you can say "we".

Anyway, we think you're an idiot Nodrog. When I say "we", I mean myself. And I'm sure I can find someone with no hassle who agrees, so it's that person and myself. K?
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Only in the sense that African slaves could claim credit for the success of America.
Well, yes. I think it'd be fairly accurate for the actual slaves to say they contributed to the wealth/success of America.
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only in the sense that it would be accurate to say that donkeys also did
And if Donkey's could talk, it'd be accurate for them to say it too. What's your point?
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donkeys also helped build america
Oh right. OK, yeah that's a pretty uncontroversial statement then.
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donkeys helped as much as the Dodo
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Aside from posting something both incorrect and idiotic was there any point in this?
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Aside from posting something both incorrect and idiotic was there any point in this?
Well do you have any evidence to disprove my scientific claim?
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Well do you have any evidence to disprove my scientific claim?
Evidence that it's scientific.
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Well do you have any evidence to disprove my scientific claim?
OK. Well there is some evidence of donkeys being used on American farms. American agriculture was obviously important in the growth/development of America.

I'm not sure the same could be said for the dodo, although I'm happy to hear evidence to the contrary.
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Don't make me post a theisis covering the existance of the DoDo now.
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Obvious and frankly quite lazy response from you.
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