To be or not to be?

[Spetzer]

I have been hearing rumours about ely this ely that, but no fact´s at all.
So i was thinking if some1 who got facts or ely hc team make somekind of statement?
I did also c Ely tagged up ingame fake or not? :eek:

[Razgriz]

aaah, scandle!

In response; i don't speculate - if they're there, they're there

[Veedeejem!]

we'll find out once the round has started if ely is playing or not

[Tomkat]

There sure are some great replies with lots of point in this thread!





(do you like the irony?!)

[The Real Arfy]

I think you'll find that Elysium is always in the list.

Well if elysium play it will make the round more interesting at least, and from what ive heard, people seem to be sure that they will play. But I guess if you through enough mud at anything it starts sticking. I guess just wait until pt 72.

[Pennywiser]

a mate told me they got a mail from ely asking them to come back for this rnd, infact i think a few allies have done this and suprisingly it seems to have created some interest as a few guys i know who played pa ages ago got dragged back onto irc by these mails from respective alliances.

[Kjeldoran]

Tbh, who cares if elysium plays or not. Does it change your tactics? Will you suddenly play a complete different round? No, they're just like any other alliance.

If they remain outside the top10 or remain insignifact, then there's little to nothing you should do. If they play for the #1 spot along with the other top candidates, then they're just an alliance that you have to take care of. Imo it doesn't change anything really.

[Chika]

You noobs fail to realize that no matter who plays you will still be playing against the same people you played against LAST ROUND. AND THE ROUND BEFORE THAT! +/- 10
they will just have a new/old name.
Drop kick me if i'm wrong!

[Banned]

Originally Posted by Chika

You noobs fail to realize that no matter who plays you will still be playing against the same people you played against LAST ROUND. AND THE ROUND BEFORE THAT! +/- 10
they will just have a new/old name.
Drop kick me if i'm wrong!

Consider this a dropkick.

As Pennywiser pointed out, the email sent was received by many people who don't currently play PA and probably haven't since Elysium moved to the clone. +/- 10 is probably accurate for many alliances, but in the case of Elysium it represents an influx of new old players.

Which is far more interesting that Kjeldoran or you would have it.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Banned

Which is far more interesting that Kjeldoran or you would have it.

Why is that?

[JonnyBGood]

Because people who played the game consistently once but haven't in a long time might be coming back?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Because people who played the game consistently once but haven't in a long time might be coming back?

Then Jester understood me wrong. I said, from an alliance point of view it doesn't matter who plays. To win you need to be the best, ofcourse the more alliances the harder but that is not something you can controle.

Ofcourse seeing old players return is a good thing. The same happened when 1up got founded, it had a nice boost of older players returning.

From an alliance point of view, it doesn't matter if I have to beat 1up to win or Elysium to win. In both cases I need to win so I don't see how it'd influence other alliances (or atleast mine) at all.

[JonnyBGood]

That's taking a rather narrow perspective on it. By that logic it wouldn't influence your alliance if the entire planet divided itself into groups of fifty-man alliances and all signed up tomorrow.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Then Jester understood me wrong. I said, from an alliance point of view it doesn't matter who plays. To win you need to be the best, ofcourse the more alliances the harder but that is not something you can controle.

Ofcourse seeing old players return is a good thing. The same happened when 1up got founded, it had a nice boost of older players returning.

From an alliance point of view, it doesn't matter if I have to beat 1up to win or Elysium to win. In both cases I need to win so I don't see how it'd influence other alliances (or atleast mine) at all.

an influx of new players you know nothing about should at least interest you though even if it doesn't directly affect your strategy - as its something you might need to deal with later.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Kal

an influx of new players you know nothing about should at least interest you though even if it doesn't directly affect your strategy - as its something you might need to deal with later.

If it are the old Elysium pple returning then there will be very little I don't know since I've been an Elysium member for a round and I've fought against the alliance for 2 rounds aswell.

[Spetzer]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Tbh, who cares if elysium plays or not. Does it change your tactics? Will you suddenly play a complete different round? No, they're just like any other alliance.

If they remain outside the top10 or remain insignifact, then there's little to nothing you should do. If they play for the #1 spot along with the other top candidates, then they're just an alliance that you have to take care of. Imo it doesn't change anything really.

Well it is pure curiosity. + would it be better if all alliance´s stop announcing that they play? Boring i would say but it´s just me.

[Spetzer]

Originally Posted by Chika

You noobs fail to realize that no matter who plays you will still be playing against the same people you played against LAST ROUND. AND THE ROUND BEFORE THAT! +/- 10
they will just have a new/old name.
Drop kick me if i'm wrong!

All post´s that i have readed from you have been 95% "negative and hostile"
if your not interested about anything or any1 why you even bother to write here?

You didnt get a pony when you were little?

[xtothez]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I've been an Elysium member for a round

When?

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by xtothez

When?

Round 9 ... for about the entire round untill 2-3 weeks before the end when I got kicked for inactivity. Ask Elysia or Stress or any other of your former ex HC collegues.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Spetzer

Well it is pure curiosity. + would it be better if all alliance´s stop announcing that they play? Boring i would say but it´s just me.

Did I say that?

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Tbh, who cares if elysium plays or not. Does it change your tactics?.

Yes, as the political balance shifts entirely.

As for changing your tactics - will you be approaching them like any other alliance if your current tactics don't work?

All in all if true this is probably good for the game anyway. Even so, it doesn't stop your post being an entire false economy.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Why is that?

Because Elysium are an unknown entity. They're likely to be strong enough to either stake a claim for #1 or at least decide #1.

As you said, you need to be the best to win, but being the best also means knowing your enemy.

From an alliance point of view, it doesn't matter if I have to beat 1up to win or Elysium to win. In both cases I need to win so I don't see how it'd influence other alliances (or atleast mine) at all.

From an isolated standpoint that may be true, but competing with only 1up or only Elysium is different from competing with both.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Banned

Because Elysium are an unknown entity. They're likely to be strong enough to either stake a claim for #1 or at least decide #1.

As you said, you need to be the best to win, but being the best also means knowing your enemy.

From an isolated standpoint that may be true, but competing with only 1up or only Elysium is different from competing with both.

fair enough

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by lokken

As for changing your tactics - will you be approaching them like any other alliance if your current tactics don't work?

Why not? Apart from personal opinion etc ... Why would we approach them any different?

[Proxi]

Depends how many people Ely can pull from other games/rl I suppose.

[Tomkat]

No wonder Angels don't do very well when Kjel treats every alliance in the game exactly the same

Because, of course, 1up and F-Crew are exactly the same. So are Exilition and VsN. So are ND and SiN.

Of course!

[Zeke]

Mmh If I were in ely and was planning a come back, I wouldn't tell anyone but my old members and some selected good players and would tag up ingame at around tick 72

[Stoom]

Ely coming back isn't a secret anymore now is it? I heard it from few people who are going to play there. Ofcourse, I can be fooled

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

No wonder Angels don't do very well when Kjel treats every alliance in the game exactly the same

Because, of course, 1up and F-Crew are exactly the same. So are Exilition and VsN. So are ND and SiN.

Of course!

In defense of KJ, during my time in angels, he didnt make the important decisions ***(in regards to politics or military)*** so how he treats all alliances isnt reletive to angels performance. I cant speak for the last round or this one though.

Also Id hardly call any of Angels end of the round rankings as "not doing very well"

[Chika]

If there is an influx of players, great. I'm all for it. "Blind hope" is why the poor stay poor though.* Hopefully elysium can bring some people back, but 9 times out of 10, most of thier players will be sucked from other alliances, producing the scenario I stated. +/- 10





* That was a reference to RL. If you are primarily "inet" based, this comment will seem weird to you.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

No wonder Angels don't do very well when Kjel treats every alliance in the game exactly the same

Because, of course, 1up and F-Crew are exactly the same. So are Exilition and VsN. So are ND and SiN.

Of course!

You're a very naïve boy if you believe I personally am responsible for every decision taken in Angels. On some areas I don't involve myself and thus have little input. Alch took care of our politics last round and whether I like/dislike or respect/disrespect a certain alliance, it's not me alone who makes the call.

Also, you have an inability when it comes to reading. I didn't say I treated each alliance the same. What I DID say is that whether we have to fight Ely or 1up or LCH for the #1 spot, it makes little difference in the end because in each case we need to be the best.
I also stated that it's even less important when the alliance doesn't even play for the top ranks. F-Crew never was a top5 candidate, 1up is ... hence you absurd claim is a joke ... I'm sure you've realised that aswell ...

Each example you gave was making a comparison to a #1 candidate and an alliance that isn't even top 5 ... makes no sence at all.

And behe, how nice of you to twist the little detail what we call truth. But you're correct, you do have no clue how things have been going with Angels in the last round. You also seem to share that ability with Tomkat, because again I never said I'd treat alliances like F-crew the same as I'd treat 1up.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

And behe, how nice of you to twist the little detail what we call truth. But you're correct, you do have no clue how things have been going with Angels in the last round. You also seem to share that ability with Tomkat, because again I never said I'd treat alliances like F-crew the same as I'd treat 1up.

Huh?

[Sjor]

Ely is currently playing this clone and have a big war to fight.
this started on monday and now protection time is over

Guess it would be bad to let an ally play 2 games at same time starting almost same.
People tend to giveup the game where your planet isnt as good as in the other

Heard also about the rumours but none that is able to confirm it did it.

Also there aint a single BP i've seen having ely members in

guess it was a cat in a bag

[Goatsemaster]

Originally Posted by Sjor

Ely is currently playing this clone and have a big war to fight.
this started on monday and now protection time is over

Guess it would be bad to let an ally play 2 games at same time starting almost same.
People tend to giveup the game where your planet isnt as good as in the other

Heard also about the rumours but none that is able to confirm it did it.

Also there aint a single BP i've seen having ely members in

The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist

[Spetzer]

Originally Posted by Chika

If there is an influx of players, great. I'm all for it. "Blind hope" is why the poor stay poor though.* Hopefully elysium can bring some people back, but 9 times out of 10, most of thier players will be sucked from other alliances, producing the scenario I stated. +/- 10





* That was a reference to RL. If you are primarily "inet" based, this comment will seem weird to you.

hmm so you saying it doesnt count who plays with who. we all are clones and the outcome is allways the same? How can you know that they wont play good together and just medium when theyr alone in other alliance´s?

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

N1up and F-Crew are exactly the same.

Of course!

It's cwazy but it's twue.

[Goatsemaster]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

It's cwazy but it's twue.

No 1up sucks more than f-crew because I used to be 1up but now I'm really bitter and twisted, but f-crew always help plus wakey writes these really great essays that don't hurt my eyes at all unlike your evil posts you bad, bad man!

[Tomkat]

Kjel takes the internet too seriously

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Kjel takes the internet too seriously

Hardly, infact quite the opposite. I like to argue. When I see someone post something not true or something I wanna argue about, I reply.

Btw, making a lame post, getting a slap in the face as return and then saying "you're taking the internet too serious" ... yeah that makes sence m8.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by ******master

No 1up sucks more than f-crew because I used to be 1up but now I'm really bitter and twisted, but f-crew always help plus wakey writes these really great essays that don't hurt my eyes at all unlike your evil posts you bad, bad man!

A fair an unbiased post.

Guilty as charged.

We can only apologise for our conduct.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

A fair an unbiased post.

Guilty as charged.

We can only apologise for our conduct.

Now apologize for having to take 5 rounds to realize this and finally apologize !!

[xtothez]

Originally Posted by Sjor

guess Ely was a cat in a bag

Hear our war-cry: meowwwwwwwww!

[Razgriz]

Originally Posted by ******master

No 1up sucks more than f-crew because I used to be 1up but now I'm really bitter and twisted, but f-crew always help plus wakey writes these really great essays that don't hurt my eyes at all unlike your evil posts you bad, bad man!

All hail Wakey-Mail

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by ******master

plus wakey writes these really great essays

Come to think of it, i've probably never read a whole post by him, my mind always drifts away halfway

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by xtothez

Hear our war-cry: meowwwwwwwww!

/me purrrrrrrrs too ;D

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

You're a very naïve boy if you believe I personally am responsible for every decision taken in Angels. On some areas I don't involve myself and thus have little input. Alch took care of our politics last round and whether I like/dislike or respect/disrespect a certain alliance, it's not me alone who makes the call.

Yep - but your high council, so you opinion counts. If you want to post liberally on AD, become an advisor, because then your personal view could or could not be largely irrelevant to your alliance's position

Also, you have an inability when it comes to reading.

I don't even need to tell you why i singled this bit out, I think you know why, I don't need to say any more.

I didn't say I treated each alliance the same. What I DID say is that whether we have to fight Ely or 1up or LCH for the #1 spot, it makes little difference in the end because in each case we need to be the best.

Being the best doesn't win you planetarion necessarily. The fact is instead of beating one, you might have to beat both of them.

I also stated that it's even less important when the alliance doesn't even play for the top ranks. F-Crew never was a top5 candidate, 1up is ... hence you absurd claim is a joke ... I'm sure you've realised that aswell ....Each example you gave was making a comparison to a #1 candidate and an alliance that isn't even top 5 ... makes no sence at all.

I'll give you that, I suppose

And behe, how nice of you to twist the little detail what we call truth. But you're correct, you do have no clue how things have been going with Angels in the last round. You also seem to share that ability with Tomkat, because again I never said I'd treat alliances like F-crew the same as I'd treat 1up.

KUTGW on bits like this, massively entertaining. Seriously, the rest of your alliance don't seem to want to support you very much. Why don't you save them the embarassment of offending you and posting as an official, and step down?

[Stifler]

Originally Posted by Sjor

Ely is currently playing this clone and have a big war to fight.
this started on monday and now protection time is over

Guess it would be bad to let an ally play 2 games at same time starting almost same.
People tend to giveup the game where your planet isnt as good as in the other

that depends on ely has teh same members playing both games which probably isnt likely to be the case, especially if it is true they are bring a few "pre pax" members back.

Also, I think a lot of people dont give up when the going gets tough, if they do then they are really worth shit to their alliance anyway

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by lokken

KUTGW on bits like this, massively entertaining. Seriously, the rest of your alliance don't seem to want to support you very much. Why don't you save them the embarassment of offending you and posting as an official, and step down?

Because behe is no Angels and hasn't been since end of r13. Do your homework correct. Most pple that don't support me are ex Angels.

And I have no problem in alot of those ex members disliking me. In r10, when DDK left they all were mad at me and me only while they screwed up and while I wasn't even involved in military issues.
When FAnG announced to disband end r10, I made the announcement and I and I only was held responsible for disbanding the alliance while pple like alch, Irvine and all the other FAnG HC's in that round supported or suggested the decision.
Last round, the ministry pple were pissed at me and me only. Again, I wasn't involved in any military issues.
Every member that gets kicked or who's application gets refused, if he gets pissed off, it will be at me, not another HC.

Do you see a trend in this? The pple that don't support me ... none of them are Angels as we speak. Only Alki, but he just feels I shouldn't waste my time posting on AD. In a way I can agree to that, but that's his opinion, not mine.

And no offense, but an opinion of a non Angels means asmuch to me as ... your opinion. It doesn't affect my behavior or decisions because I don't see why it would benefit me.

It might appear, by the way I post, that I do care what pple think about me. But do not make that assumption. I care if things are written about me or Angels or even other m8's that I believe are not true. For instance in this thread when Tomkat wrote that post about me. Do I care what Tomkat thinks about me? Not at all, but I do care for the fact that he wrote a lie (or what I think is a lie) and thus I reply on it.

I do however care how pple like Alki think about me.

Lokken, next time do your homework and you'd have realized that none of the pple you speak about are currently Angels. And even if a few individuals were, we don't live in an utopia where an HC is liked by each and every member.

[NitinA]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

we don't live in an utopia where an HC is liked by each and every member.

lol Some people seem to get along with *all* the alliance members they come in contact with...