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Unread 30 Apr 2006, 12:38   #51
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

yes, I see Crouch isn't exactly knocking them in atm - 7 goals in 38 shots on target, 71 shots total in the premiership are the stats I have (they're not quite up to date? I don't know). 0.26 goals per game is a bit low.
If you look at the Liverpool stop scorers, http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/stats/, Steve Gerrard is easily their top scorer, and iirc Lampard has scored a similar amount this season. The problem is, if you look at all the goals scored by both of them, I BET more often than not they're outside of the penalty area. reinforcing my point!

We need someone APART from Owen who can get in the penalty area and score.
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Unread 30 Apr 2006, 13:29   #52
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

It's time for Shearer to come out of retirement.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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It's time for Shearer to come out of retirement.
I certainly wouldn't object.
It was pretty selfish of him to retire though.

Get Sheringham back too
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

shearer was crap this year.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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It's time for Shearer to come out of retirement.
Get Fowler to unretire from international football
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Unread 30 Apr 2006, 16:46   #56
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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Get Fowler to unretire from international football
He is only in his early 30s and has played with both Owen and Crouch and is getting back on form - 4 goals in his last 6 matches or so?
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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He is only in his early 30s and has played with both Owen and Crouch and is getting back on form - 4 goals in his last 6 matches or so?
yea, about that

it was a semi-serious suggestion

He retired from international football in 2002, so he needs coaxing back

edit: also played with Gerrad ofc
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

well, i didn't think it'd be 100% serious :P
would be an interesting idea.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Liverpool website although a bit of a biased location actually has a post would you like to see fowler in the world cup

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Should Robbie Fowler be in England's World Cup squad?

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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Yes, I think 'slightly biased' is the word.
He says the reason he scored those 4 goals in 4 games (which he hasn't done in his career before then) was because of the amazing support of the crowd.
For the record, he had 2 question and answer sessions which are viewable to members, called "interview with god 1" and (unsurprisingly) "interview with god 2".
He's quite a popular guy. He's only just getting back towards top fitness though, tbh. He was hoping to get more sharp in pre season training for next season, hoping that he'd stay.

Yes, of course Gerrard (and Carragher if he plays :P)

[for the record, I'm a Liverpool fan - though fan is a bit strong, I've followed them and their 'almosts' for the last 10 years. Not sure if anyone quite realised :P ]
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/4960812.stm

looks like sven may take a chance and take rooney
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Just play Gerrard and Lampard off Owen, stick Carrick in the holding role.

Cole on the left, SWP wide right to join up with Owen (obviously it will be Beckham)

Not fooking hard, is it.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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Just play Gerrard and Lampard off Owen, stick Carrick in the holding role.

Cole on the left, SWP wide right to join up with Owen (obviously it will be Beckham)

Not fooking hard, is it.
Owen cant play upfront alone.

This was the whole reason Liverpool sold him, as playing him makes the teams play completely 1 dimensional
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Defoe/Bent/Crouch then
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Can someone explain to me the reason for bringing Owen, Bent AND Defoe to the WC?

The chance that he gets to use mor than two of them is slim to say the least. ld rather pick Beattie\Johnson\Aaron Lennon and ditch Bent.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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Owen cant play upfront alone.

This was the whole reason Liverpool sold him, as playing him makes the teams play completely 1 dimensional
If you've got the likes of shaun wright phillips, joe cole, lampard and gerrard in support, how are you "alone".

Liverpool sold him because Real could give him more money and cashed in cos he had a year on his contract back. They'd have him back in an instant if they could, the problem is that losing such a colossal amount of money would be plain embarassing.

The fact is we can't play 2 strikers as they are all too similar to be paired up or too shit to start, so we have to play our best one - that's Owen. There is one alternative i've thought of, Dean Ashton, but the chances of him being picked is minimal.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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There is one alternative i've thought of, Dean Ashton, but the chances of him being picked is minimal.
If Dean Ashton started for England you might as well give Tony "Glass in my hair cos i just don't care" Adams a call up.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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If you've got the likes of shaun wright phillips, joe cole, lampard and gerrard in support, how are you "alone".
none of them usually play close enough. If you want to play them out of position in a link role then fine..
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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If you've got the likes of shaun wright phillips, joe cole, lampard and gerrard in support, how are you "alone".
He'd still have to hold the ball up for them to get there, something he cant do

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Liverpool wouldnt have him back, as Benitez doesnt like that kind of striker.

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Darren Bent is more likely, due to the fact hes performed the role basicially all season for Charlton with some success.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

4-5-1 is the way forward. Give Gerrard and Lampard some freedom.
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Liverpool wouldnt have him back, as Benitez doesnt like that kind of striker.


Hes alergic to goalscoring strikers?
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Hes alergic to goalscoring strikers?
I didnt realise football was all about having the top goalscorer in the league.

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I didnt realise football was all about having the top goalscorer in the league.

As opposed to Crouch who can only do one thing, head the ball. Thus longballs.
I would truly prefer Owen over Crouch. Just look at Cisse`, had he been capable of scoring on half his oppertunities this season he would have been topscorer, and Owen\Cisse are relatively similar.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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As opposed to Crouch who can only do one thing, head the ball.
Welcome to the "I've never seen Crouch play football in my life and assume he heads the ball and does nothing else because he's tall" club.


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I would truly prefer Owen over Crouch. Just look at Cisse`, had he been capable of scoring on half his oppertunities this season he would have been topscorer, and Owen\Cisse are relatively similar.
Owen actually thrives more off long balls - diagonal passes so he can use his pace to take on / get past defenders.

Cisse and Crouch certainly not dissimilar, although you obviously realise Cisse has been playing on the wing a lot. He does tend to have good matches and bad matches - when playing Chelsea and being subbed on, that was a bad match. If we had a few more substitutions, I'd not have been surprised to see him being subbed right back off. However, if he always played in the form he did against West Brom, where he scored 1, created another, and had the defence pissing themselves all match as he ran rings around them, then he'd surely be picked more.
Liverpool do need someone who can get in the box and just take half chances and knock them in, and I think Rafa is hoping that Fowler will do that. Crouch I think is almost better in support, Cisse is too tempremental, and Morientes is currently playing pretty badly. Garcia is a bit tempremental, but he gets such important goals sometimes that he's generally put up with.
I don't think Crouch should perhaps replace Owen, but be paired with him. The fact that Crouch doesn't play things in the air confuses most defenders, who think that tall person => air person.

Alternatively, someone I was speaking to had the idea of J. Cole fitting in behind Owen as the link man, which apparently he does for Chelsea (alternating between that and being on the left wing). Then you can have Gerrard and Lampard switching between centre and left flank, Carrick still as a holding midfielder and Beckham down the right.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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Welcome to the "I've never seen Crouch play football in my life and assume he heads the ball and does nothing else because he's tall" club.



For your information i am a Villa fan, and ive seen Peter Crouch enough both at Villa and at Liverpool to know what he can do and cant do. Sure he can be used along the ground too the problem is that his long legs always trips someone else or trip himself. Peter Crouch might do ok for England, ni my opinion thats going to be decided by the way England play, Crouch might be able to tie up defenders in order to give Owen more space but for the most part he simply doesnt cut it. I read Benitez said that Crouch was a very good player and that he should start for England etc. But the fact is that even though Crouch has scored 12(?) goals for Liverpool its only a small amount compared to what a decent striker would have scored for a club with some of the best 'assisters' in the world.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Crouch can head the ball?

I suppose he can, but then so could a paraplegic if you kicked one at his head.

His aerial ability is abysmal.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Phalon's right. Crouch doesn't actually win a lot of headers because he gets bullied in the air by stronger defenders. Against someone like Nesta you may as well have the Arsenal squirrel on the pitch.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

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Instantly supplanting the War of Jenkins' Ear as history's most depressing conflict about a body part is the War of Rooney's Foot, currently being waged between Sir Alex Ferguson and Sven-Goran Eriksson. Yet as they fiddle, the rest of us get on with the real business: whom to burn for The End of the Dream(TM). Happily my eye is drawn to a letter to Football365.com which suggests that stopping free school milk caused brittle bones in all subsequent generations of children, and therefore the blame for Rooney's injury must be laid at the door of Margaret Thatcher.


This seems reasonable. I will have no truck with those who, as the news broke on Saturday, wailed something along the lines of "that'll be brittle bones caused by the fiendish policy of fluorided water". Trivia buffs may care to know that the water in Rooney's home city of Liverpool is not fluoridated. (Incidentally, Gateshead's is - and you know what? The incidence of tooth decay is exactly the same. So if Graeme Souness fancies blaming his cursed Newcastle tenure on some Strangelovian government plot, he is urged to do some more digging. The PM's Toon fan schtick has always looked like a cover story.)
But if we all accept that the main contributory factors to the calamity are Rooney's bone density, boot design and the fact that he was playing football, then anyone with a passing knowledge of history can only blame the fractured metatarsal on one of three events.

First is the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, which is tending towards the obvious but it did precipitate the first world war, ending in the Treaty of Versailles, which led to the rise of Hitler, which caused the second world war. This resulted in the devastation of much of Europe's infrastructure, which led to the Marshall Plan, which led to the German economic miracle, which enabled manufacturers such as Adidas and Puma to dominate the sports footwear market.

So a Stanford MBA student, Phil Knight, wrote his thesis on how cheaper shoes made in the Far East could undercut German dominance in the US market and, in 1962, he established Blue Ribbon Sports which eventually became Nike which, from the days of convincing the US track record holder Steve Prefontaine to wear its shoes, sought the best of the best for its celebrity endorsements programme, which ultimately led to Wayne Rooney being signed as a face of Nike, resulting last Tuesday in his endorsing the firm's new Total 90 Supremacy boot.

Alternatively some would say the seeds of the injury were sown when the second Tsar Nicholas II's troops opened fire on protesting peasants in the Bloody Sunday massacre of 1905. This led to the two Russian revolutions of 1917 and subsequent civil war, and the establishment of the Soviet Union. Its success in maintaining parity with the US during the Cold War arms race ultimately crippled its economy, which made Boris Yeltsin's privatisation of national industries appear a necessity. The policy allowed the young Roman Abramovich to amass his fortune, an infinitesimal proportion of which he spent on buying Chelsea. In days of yore Manchester United were so far ahead at this stage of the season that they could have rested Rooney, but the unstoppable behemoth that Chelsea have become meant that playing him last Saturday was a necessity.

Finally, though, need we look further than the first amendment to the unwritten British constitution, otherwise known as the Football and Fawlty Amendment? That is, "all events in human history must and shall be connected to the German invasion of Poland". It was the need to keep India on side in the second world war which led to Britain being forced to offer a deal that led to her independence, which effectively ended the empire and, with it, the traditional justification for British control over of the Suez Canal.

This ultimately precipitated the crisis which led to Anthony Eden's resignation. The report into Tory members' thoughts on a possible successor was prepared by Edward Heath, and his steering of the job towards Harold Macmillan in part contributed to his being made minister of labour in Macmillan's first cabinet. From there he rose up the ranks, eventually winning the 1970 general election while advocating his kooky Selsdon Man policies, which informed the push for budget cuts in - among other areas - education, leading to Thatcher's decision to end free school milk. And, metatarsally speaking, we all know how that turned out.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Yes, a bit too much time on her hands.
they're blaming the pitch and/or the boots.
Nike, Reebok, etc could make millions making "foot supporting boots", and making people like Rooney wear them to make their feet safer and then selling them 6 months later after Rooney has no injuries.
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

the excuses have started already. swing low, sweet chariot
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Re: [Football] Rooney and Terry and England

Not really, they're trying to identify why there have been so many (foot) injuries at crucial times.
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