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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 10:01   #1
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New MH / Support team, with Fiery in charge...
We can't seriously expect this game to be viably ran, when the Head and most of the staff is doing jack shit and don't have time at all.

This isn't a role you do for honor or the title, this is something that requires time and effort. This is a tick based game that runs around the clock, when the persons who can make decisions barely have time to spend 2 minutes pr day, if that? Then ofcourse that is bad for the game and the community!

Would love to see Ace and the others explain themselves as to why they are so dead set on having those meaningless roles.
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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 10:54   #2
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Re: Petition

I'm not sure what you're asking for. What's your complaint? You want Fiery gone? Or a new support team with Fiery in charge?
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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 11:01   #3
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I'm not sure what you're asking for. What's your complaint? You want Fiery gone? Or a new support team with Fiery in charge?
the latter, a new support and mh team with Fiery or someone who is dedicated to the task.
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Id say lets just drop the whole idea of having MHs, allow cheating for a few rounds and see if that can help the game grow.
When Armageddon/ChronoX/NoXiouS did not get cheating for their farming last round, there is no hope for stopping the cheating.
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Id say lets just drop the whole idea of having MHs, allow cheating for a few rounds and see if that can help the game grow.
When Armageddon/ChronoX/NoXiouS did not get cheating for their farming last round, there is no hope for stopping the cheating.
plz stop flogging this dead horse.
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New MH / Support team, with Fiery in charge...
We can't seriously expect this game to be viably ran, when the Head and most of the staff is doing jack shit and don't have time at all.

This isn't a role you do for honor or the title, this is something that requires time and effort. This is a tick based game that runs around the clock, when the persons who can make decisions barely have time to spend 2 minutes pr day, if that? Then ofcourse that is bad for the game and the community!

Would love to see Ace and the others explain themselves as to why they are so dead set on having those meaningless roles.
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When Ace finds time to warn/close me for 'abusive' fleet names but not time to contribute anything to game improvements anymore, then something is wrong.
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if a new team is to drastic a change then atleast try to add someone active in the mh team.
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Why would anyone invest so much time to this game if they have a real life going on and this game doesnt really give any profit? This game would need major changes in gfx/design/graphics/easy tutorial for newbees and advertisment to be able to get any profit in the future. But therefor someone with money would have to invest into the game. So if there is nobody willing to do that, there is really no point in discussing anything, unless you find some dedicated and skilled fans that would do the required designing and coding for free...
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Why would anyone invest so much time to this game if they have a real life going on and this game doesnt really give any profit? This game would need major changes in gfx/design/graphics/easy tutorial for newbees and advertisment to be able to get any profit in the future. But therefor someone with money would have to invest into the game. So if there is nobody willing to do that, there is really no point in discussing anything, unless you find some dedicated and skilled fans that would do the required designing and coding for free...
Nothing of this is related to the topic.
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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 16:15   #10
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Re: Petition

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New MH / Support team, with Fiery in charge...
We can't seriously expect this game to be viably ran, when the Head and most of the staff is doing jack shit and don't have time at all.

This isn't a role you do for honor or the title, this is something that requires time and effort. This is a tick based game that runs around the clock, when the persons who can make decisions barely have time to spend 2 minutes pr day, if that? Then ofcourse that is bad for the game and the community!

Would love to see Ace and the others explain themselves as to why they are so dead set on having those meaningless roles.
What you're saying about Ace, is the exact same reason Fiery stepped down from being head MH after everyone said the same things about her.

Its not about who's in charge, its that they're all shit with no actual foresight in what they can or should do with regardless to the rules. It took 10+ rounds for them to stop closing people for abusive fleet names and instead warn or turn off that feature. They also used to operate a close first then come into #multihunters so they can tell you off for being naughty (and so they get to act superior) even for the most minor of offenses; This was all when Fiery was in charge as well.

They don't actually discuss the rules each round, what needs changing, what could be done better, what problems occurred. They just idle and only step up and think something needs changing after they get backed into a corner for someone exploiting a loop hole.
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After waiting two weeks for Ace / the Multihunters to answer a simple question of mine, I eventually gave up.
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Id say lets just drop the whole idea of having MHs, allow cheating for a few rounds and see if that can help the game grow.
When Armageddon/ChronoX/NoXiouS did not get cheating for their farming last round, there is no hope for stopping the cheating.

Are you still crying about the Rainbow who crashed useless ships into two planets near round start? I meant 'cheating'?? lul
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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 19:21   #13
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If something is not based on method it has to rely on skills and judgment. The quality of the process depends on the level of those two.
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Unread 19 Oct 2014, 19:45   #14
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Nothing of this is related to the topic.
Yes it does, because you expect people to invest time and energy in something they have done for years, getting tired with and not getting any reward or money for it. Why should they bother? I think my post pretty much explains the source of the problem...
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Yes it does, because you expect people to invest time and energy in something they have done for years, getting tired with and not getting any reward or money for it. Why should they bother? I think my post pretty much explains the source of the problem...
If some are burned out for doing free stuff, then they should step down and let others who might/will volounteer for it. Why should everyone suffer because of these persons not bothering? And yet they need to have this "power/role". It is destructive for the game and community.

Only thing you explain is a small fraction of a larger picture, and imo my point still stands. As these people can be replaced for the sake of those who do cares.
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If some are burned out for doing free stuff, then they should step down and let others who might/will volounteer for it. Why should everyone suffer because of these persons not bothering? And yet they need to have this "power/role". It is destructive for the game and community.

Only thing you explain is a small fraction of a larger picture, and imo my point still stands. As these people can be replaced for the sake of those who do cares.
We struggle to find someone to make a decent set of stats, what on earth makes you think we can find a competent mh leader or team??

I assume this basically is your application to be one yes??

I don't actually believe Ace does a bad job, I think his hands are tied on a lot of stuff and he gets no praise for anything he does so why frankly should he give a ****??

Zeke is completely right in what he says, the MH team is the least of our concerns right now..... Vision, investment and leadership from the PA team is.
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Unread 20 Oct 2014, 10:23   #17
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Re: Petition

I have no love for Ace or the MHs in general. My interactions with them are uniformly negative, as has every interaction I've seen.

But we should all remember that MHing is by far the most thankless job in all of PA. As a multihunter, you interact only with people who are pissed off. They're either pissed off they're closed, or they're pissed off because someone else should be closed and isn't, or they're pissed off because someone is closed and shouldn't be. And keep in mind, the MHs are amateurs. Well-meaning amateurs, to be sure, but amateurs nonetheless. They have no training in customer service, no experience with help desk work, they're just dumped into the refuse pit that is #multihunters, ready to be pelted with monkey shit for the remainder of their tenure.

So what's the upside? There isn't one. They're unpaid. No, a free credit does not count. Their contributions are never publicly respected or even acknowledged, not by PA Team, not by the player base, and definitely not by their 'customers'.

Is it any wonder they all turn into pricks? Ye reap what ye sow.
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Unread 20 Oct 2014, 17:16   #18
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We struggle to find someone to make a decent set of stats, what on earth makes you think we can find a competent mh leader or team??

I assume this basically is your application to be one yes??

I don't actually believe Ace does a bad job, I think his hands are tied on a lot of stuff and he gets no praise for anything he does so why frankly should he give a ****??

Zeke is completely right in what he says, the MH team is the least of our concerns right now..... Vision, investment and leadership from the PA team is.
No it was not my application to be one.

And in what sence does Ace do a good job, or did you mean his real job and not the role as MH leader? As i have no idea what he does for a living, but when it comes to his role as MH. Then i have yet to see an overall good or close to good performance from him. Please go in detail if you KNOW otherwise, it doesn't seem he has any interest in speaking for himself here.

And both you and Zeke are completly wrong imo, yes this game has other concerns... But the issue im bringing up is a VERY easy quick fix, and should had been done ages ago already. And will be a huge step in the right direction.

If you need to get paid for everything you do, then you are a greedy and selfish person. And i'm sure we have several people in this community still, that are neither and would volounteer if there was a possibility for it.
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But we should all remember that MHing is by far the most thankless job in all of PA. As a multihunter, you interact only with people who are pissed off. They're either pissed off they're closed, or they're pissed off because someone else should be closed and isn't, or they're pissed off because someone is closed and shouldn't be. And keep in mind, the MHs are amateurs. Well-meaning amateurs, to be sure, but amateurs nonetheless. They have no training in customer service, no experience with help desk work, they're just dumped into the refuse pit that is #multihunters, ready to be pelted with monkey shit for the remainder of their tenure.

So what's the upside? There isn't one. They're unpaid. No, a free credit does not count. Their contributions are never publicly respected or even acknowledged, not by PA Team, not by the player base, and definitely not by their 'customers'.

Is it any wonder they all turn into pricks? Ye reap what ye sow.

I agree on most points, it is a very thankless role. You do meet mostly/only pissed off people, and it might get to you in the long run.
But these are things those should had been aware of before they signed up for it. And if they didn't know upfront, they learned one way or another. When it comes to the stage where you've had enough of flaming / rants, then be honest about it. Step down or take a break untill you feel better, don't hinder the game support instead.
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Unread 20 Oct 2014, 19:48   #20
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When it comes to the stage where you've had enough of flaming / rants, then be honest about it. Step down or take a break untill you feel better, don't hinder the game support instead.
Fair point.
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Re: Petition

As Mz points out, its not a job you do to particulary gain any benefits, its mostly a thankless difficult job, where you at most times end up sitting looking like a big bad wolf, even though you got all the proofs you need to close someone you have closed, or not enough proof to close someone that everyone else think should be closed.

I stepped down as a MH because I felt I didnt have enough time to dedicate myself to the job and that is something I think ANYONE who volunteers for a support role in a game or charity or whatever it is you volunteer for should consider.

It's sometimes not easy to make a decision like that, but after spending a long time away from PA, I am certain that stepping down as MH was the best decision I did for both the players who deserve volunteers that dedicate their time to the game, and for myself.
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New MH / Support team, with Fiery in charge...
We can't seriously expect this game to be viably ran, when the Head and most of the staff is doing jack shit and don't have time at all.

This isn't a role you do for honor or the title, this is something that requires time and effort. This is a tick based game that runs around the clock, when the persons who can make decisions barely have time to spend 2 minutes pr day, if that? Then ofcourse that is bad for the game and the community!

Would love to see Ace and the others explain themselves as to why they are so dead set on having those meaningless roles.
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