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Unread 22 Dec 2009, 02:59   #1
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cov ops change for a new PA

I was thinking of a different way for an intelligence branch in PA. It would involve infiltrating moles in various sectors of activity.
- Politics: you get access to the target's POPULATION page
- Industry: you get access to the target's CONSTRUCTION page
- Scientific: you get access to the target's RESEARCH page
- Finance: you get access to the target's MINING page
- Military Weaponry: you get access to the target's PRODUCTION page
- Military Command: you get access to the target's FLEET page
- Military HQ: you get access to the target's MISSION page

Each sector is ranked by difficulty. The more difficult the longer it takes to infiltrate a mole.
Each planet has a counter infiltration bonus depending on the Government chosen and the population settings. The bonus give you a chance to detect the mole each day. In addition a planet can run a special detection operation in a given sector at a cost every 6 ticks. Cost is fixed no matter if there is a mole or not.

In addition to gathering info, once in place the mole can take some action but with a detection penalty:
- Lowering bonuses in Political sector
- Slowing down completion in sectors like Industry, Scientific, Weaponry
- Diverting ressources to home planet in Finance sector
- Changing a mission order (it's a 1 shot, detection is 100% sure once done)

Moles are in place until detected. Once found the choice is: kill the mole, turn the mole, feeding false info to the enemy.

I think that way, this aspect of the game would be used more frequently by more players. It will be like a war fought in the shadows in addition to the war fought in space. Infiltration on gal mates possible (on allies impossible due to exploit possible in diverting resources).
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

Define "get access to".
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

- you see the info on that page
- you are able to make some changes with a higher risk of being detected, like diverting 1% of the total planet income, slowing down the ships production by 1 tick...
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

Personally id like to see Cov opps removed so with (or even without) that info i dont actually like the suggestion.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

What you're suggesting sounds a lot like a merging of scans and cov ops. While I don't agree with the implementation details, it sounds like an interesting change.

[edit]Making changes is not necessarily a bad idea, don't know why I posted that.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

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Making changes is definitely a bad idea. What you're suggesting sounds a lot like a merging of scans and cov ops. While I don't agree with the implementation details, it sounds like an interesting change.
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http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=189019
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=189044

4 year old idea bumping.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

is it good or bad news ?
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

I like the overall idea. There should be some way of being immune though (ideally I'd like to see this balanced with cov-ops somehow so that you can't be fully immune to both but you can get pretty close). The missions page access would be a pretty ****ing huge deal so I wouldn't be too sure on having that as part of it.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

If access was allowed to mission page it should be to just view the fleet missions but not change them , so you could see if an attack or defence was real or fake
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

Yes mission page is quite powerful by itself like the old mil scan + base fleet, probably better not to be able to mess up with it.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

I would certainly be in favour of having Cov op 8 (call it something like Fleet infiltration or something) as a military scan. wether to set it as a 5-10 or even 15 hack is a good question and would likely need testing.

Needless to say that if the target has cov op immunity it gets blocked.
Which would make it more interesting than adding it as an additional scan tech. As Scanners wouldnt be able to obtain it till around pt 300ish and not stagnating the early round game mainly for xans.
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Re: cov ops change for a new PA

imo it would be more "natural" way to add it as a scan tech. As a scan it would also make those dists more vital choise for Xans and other fakes. As a Cov op tech Xans/fakers should put resources to early securtiy AND to on the dists.

Overally i dont like the mili scan -type idea at all, but that's just me.
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