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[ParraCida]

Originally posted by Urkki
And besides, you're getting Scouse and Parra all heated up, and that kind of excitment can't be good for retired players...

Teh man speaks teh trueth~!@

I just wanna go init roids at my planet but nooooo

[Scouse]

Originally posted by K-W
You think Im lying?

So Fury being **** is better than them being knocked down to the level of ****? You would rather have everyone believe that?

I can tell you with 100% honesty that There were very few Fury planets ever really in the top 50 of rd8.

So Fury need loads of allies to get decent ranks?

Originally posted by Kileman
Your leet intel got Focht's R8 planet wrong again.

That was fresh from the Insomnia member list. We've already stated that before. Perhaps take it up with whoever was responsible for that. Darki maybe?

Mundo was also Fury in R8, and would have won the round if it continued.

Is that supposed to be news to me?

He wasn't 'in' Fury. He never defended you and he attacked your allies. Plus he wouldn't have ended with that score. You should have seen the command room topic. Anyone who did would have seen quite clearly what my intentions for him were.

Plus he fence sat. You even claiming he could have been a reason for Fury to win the round is unbelievable. And servuz wasn't going anywhere.

[K-W]

Originally posted by ParraCida
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I would just like to point out that I had no idea how close vally was to the top, how many people were in the running and if you had asked me I couldnt have given her rank to you without checking. At no point during the incident did her closeness to the top even enter into the thinking. I certainly didnt care which alliance had the top planet.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Scouse
So Fury being **** is better than them being knocked down to the level of ****? You would rather have everyone believe that?

Erm, its not a matter of which is better. One of them is the truth. Once again I ask you why in gods name you think im lying. Kile confrimed it for you.

Btw, only a titan could think that not having lots of top 50 players makes an alliance ****. Were we at top form, definately not. Did we lack lots of players who chose to go for it that round. Yes. Did we have a slow start on purpose, Yes. Did that have anything to do with the activity, dedication or skill of our memberbase. Nope.

Originally posted by Scouse

So Fury need loads of allies to get decent ranks?

I suppose you could come to that conclusion if you didnt know the game very well.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Urkki
This is just hilarious

But since I'm out of popcorn, I feel I must say that, K-W, you should shut up. You're not only making an ass of yourself, you're also tarnishing the image of Fury (which after all was no doubt the greatest alliance in PA overall, and I doubt anybody denies that).

And besides, you're getting Scouse and Parra all heated up, and that kind of excitment can't be good for retired players...

Well, then I feel I must say go away. If you'd like to discuss something feel free to do so. If your just going to flame me, then feel free to keep it to yourself.

[Kileman]

Originally posted by ParraCida
So it wasn't a fury planet?

I lost 60 ranks because of the war, I'm sure many other titans had this problem as well. Our high score then only emphasized the fact that before the war we were even 'higher' scored comparitavly. I believe the war was just about 'right'. Fury got what they wanted and we got what we wanted. I believe neither side was unhappy with the trade off.

The round continued quite a bit after tick 2000, it was most definatly NOT to late had she had a few good roidings. She had piled resources and was getting fleet escorts from webangels galaxy every night. Valy was a threat, most certainly. I believe at the time there were still 3 contestants for the #1 place. She having more roids then you and the other guy but you both having more score. Her score in the end was way lower because she cowered into vacation mode afterwards

The planet listed as Marajade was Focht's.

Heres a comparison between Valy and myself (yes I have gal and planet overviews saved from every 100 ticks...):


PT 1155
2 Lac L?man 23:23:11 10233 72.965.552
5 -DESTINY 17:6:12 6637 54.055.776

PT 1264
2 Lac L?man 23:23:11 10692 100.498.352
5 -DESTINY 17:6:12 7415 71.190.512

PT 1409
2 Lac L?man 23:23:11 11298 139.175.712
6 -DESTINY 17:6:12 8226 92.242.584

PT 1503
2 Lac L?man 23:23:11 11538 166.597.072
4 -DESTINY 17:6:12 8226 117.898.168

PT 1695
1 Lac L?man 23:23:11 14296 218.699.472
2 A Perfect Circle 26:2:15 13001 208.355.520
4 -DESTINY 17:6:12 7055 155.654.704

PT 1817
1 Lac L?man 23:23:11 16083 212.743.008
7 -DESTINY 17:6:12 7253 161.188.336

PT 1891
1 Lac L?man 23:23:11 16083 242.088.672
7 -DESTINY 17:6:12 7253 161.188.336

PT 2000
1 Lac L?man 23:23:11 16083 284.818.816
10 -DESTINY 17:6:12 7253 165.778.816

So going from that.... I wouldnt say she had more roids than me (and the next guy)


Yes it was true that many Titans lost roids and ranks as a result of the war, but the war was definetly short lived.... I stopped attacking from about tick 1700 (after I had the uber big incomings) and just sat on my roids to stop the chance of being fleet caught. Many of the other large Fury (and other) planets did this also, eliminating a large chunk of our attack force.
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[K-W]

I cant believe you saved that :eek:

[Kileman]

I saved everything from that round

Just found this to :

Analysis

Note: Virtual roids are the Metal and Crystal roid bonus attained from the GC/Minister bonus.

[Fury] Leather & Lace (23:23) Score: 631,686,000
Total Roids according to Sandmans: 59,286
Total Uninitiated roids: 2,507
Total Initiated roids: 56,779
Total Eonium roids: 4,472
Total Virtual roids: 1,798
Total Net Metal and Crystal bearing roids: 54,105
Total Metal and Crystal stored: 338,476,432
Total potential score in Metal and Crystal: 16,923,821
Current net total score: 648,609,821

v

[Wrath]Black Lotus[FAnG][VtS] (26:11) Score: 569,760,000
Total Roids according to Sandmans: 61,838
Total Uninitiated roids: 2,575
Total Initiated roids: 59,263
Total Eonium roids: 4,937
Total Virtual roids: 1,208
Total Net Metal and Crystal bearing roids: 55,534
Total Metal and Crystal stored: 1,080,585,649
Total potential score in Metal and Crystal: 54,029,282
Current net total score: 623,789,282

Conclusion

At tick 1472, 26:11 have 1429 more c/m roids than 23:23, and a 24,820,539 'virtual' score difference.
They make 35725 more score than 23:23 each tick so will need 694 more ticks this round
assuming (bad assumption) that everything remains constant and that Eonium is negligable (I need someone to check if Eonium is actually included as score when spent in pds).

Assuming TU is deleted, it will take 23:23 approximately 300-350 ticks to surpass 26:2 in score as a result of the 200 mil and 13k roid loss.

There are a number of assumptions made (neither gal had anything significant in build, neither gal will get an exceptionally massive haul in roids, no gal will get deleted etc etc). But at the moment, as long as no one does anything dumb (like killing off a lot of there fleet for little roids) 23:23 is in contention for the #1 rank.

So keep roiding, and keep active, we can win

Oh and Degree's smells if she cant make top 10 :/



(then the Tit war happened, the donations, and the deletion antics )
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[Hicks]

Assumptions are the mother of all **** ups aint they Kile

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by K-W
Erm, its not a matter of which is better. One of them is the truth. Once again I ask you why in gods name you think im lying. Kile confrimed it for you.

Btw, only a titan could think that not having lots of top 50 players makes an alliance ****. Were we at top form, definately not. Did we lack lots of players who chose to go for it that round. Yes. Did we have a slow start on purpose, Yes. Did that have anything to do with the activity, dedication or skill of our memberbase. Nope.

Wait wait wait ... Let me get this straight.
Having no players (Ok, 2 players) in the top 50 gets you into a 'good possition'.
No fking wonder you still consider VoM a threat this round
And btw, from what I remember the top 100 didn't look much different to top 50.
Top 250 was a difference, since of course, alot of Titans/LDK were IN the top 100 ...

Edit:
P.S. Mundo would NOT have won that round. Simple reason was because he gave my co-ords to radium early into the round. He would have been 'dealt' with at a choice time.

[ParraCida]

Originally posted by Kileman
PT 1503
2 Lac Léman 23:23:11 11538 166.597.072
4 -DESTINY 17:6:12 8226 117.898.168

That's still 700 ticks in play, IE 33% of the round.
That and she was getting the fleet escorts + had 20 mil in score saved up.

Are the roids she capped from BA in those rankings? I think she got near to 10k roids then, not sure but if you have the rankings pls provide

Also, about the 'no way' of becoming #1, you got attacked twice heavely, one time you stayed your fleet and lost a sh*tload, the second time you ran, had you not ran you would not have been #1. Also, if theamion hadn't ratted me out you would have NOT been #1 So please don't say 'no way possible'. Like I said, I believe that with the roids from BA valy got to about 10k, putting you 1.5-2k ahead with 650 ticks in play. I woulnd't call that a clear victory

[Kileman]

The incoming I 'ran' from was killed in 1 tick with like 2 mil losses for the attackers I did my 24 hours away from base victory lap in the last day of the round

And I think she only ever got 900-1000 roids from BA.

As this is a sector from the first time she was 'attacked':

Sector Scan Report on 17:6:12 (-DESTINY) [Xandathrii] [13/08/2002 06:11 CET] (Online)
Planet Name -DESTINY Leader BREATH
Score 150723168 Metal 9580036
Crystal 1781181 Eonium 43663113
Constructions 27 Research 24
Metal Asteroids 5617 Crystal Asteroids 3219
Eonium Asteroids 692 Unknown Asteroids 502
Fleet Size 12500 PDS Size 3000
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[ParraCida]

So that put you 1.5k-2k roids ahead with still 33% of the round to come. That is 'not' a safe margin, in fact by your own logic she had a good chance of winning, just as mundo had in round 8 right?

[K-W]

Originally posted by Psi_K
Wait wait wait ... Let me get this straight.
Having no players (Ok, 2 players) in the top 50 gets you into a 'good possition'.
No fking wonder you still consider VoM a threat this round
And btw, from what I remember the top 100 didn't look much different to top 50.
Top 250 was a difference, since of course, alot of Titans/LDK were IN the top 100 ...

Edit:
P.S. Mundo would NOT have won that round. Simple reason was because he gave my co-ords to radium early into the round. He would have been 'dealt' with at a choice time.

Did I say good? NO I simply said not ****. Id like to donate reading glasses to the lot of you. Yes it shows that FUry underperofromed and lacked players who decided to shoot for the top. It doesnt show that we were ****.

[Knight Theamion]

put a sock in it

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by K-W
Did I say good? NO I simply said not ****. Id like to donate reading glasses to the lot of you. Yes it shows that FUry underperofromed and lacked players who decided to shoot for the top. It doesnt show that we were ****.

Let's see what EXACTLY you've said

Originally posted by K-W
We were doing fine.

Originally posted by K-W
Our alliance in general covered our incomings and was still very much alive and active when the round ended. Most Fury were doing fine.

Originally posted by Razorback
And in r8 we were doing ok

Fine and ok
Maybe I shoulda worded my post differently.
In any case .... please stop blatently changing your opinions throughout a thread.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Psi_K
Let's see what EXACTLY you've said



Fine and ok
Maybe I shoulda worded my post differently.
In any case .... please stop blatently changing your opinions throughout a thread.

Pls show me where I changed my opinions so I can explain the parts you misunderstood.

Fury was doing ok, and it was doing fine. It wasnt doing well. It was losing a war and way underproforming, but it wasnt **** and it wasnt crushed.

Im not sure what part of this you are having so much trouble with.

[Hardin]

Is there any point in him responding K-W?

[ParraCida]

Originally posted by Hardin
Is there any point in him responding K-W?

No, that is the strategy. Denial until the other guy stops bothering.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Hardin
Is there any point in him responding K-W?

Of course, he could backup his claim.

He acuses me of not just changing my opinion, but blatently doing so. Seeing as how Ive not done that, I ask him to backup his claim.. Id imagine if he actually could backup that claim he would have a very good point in responding.

He could also explain how he could possibly give a more accuarte acount of Fury than I could. And exactly why I would bother lying about thier condition. Im not running around the forum trying to tell titans members how it was in TItans, that would be foolish. So why are titans members trying to tell me how it was in Fury.

[LordBlackheart2000]

Originally posted by KeyStroke
So, just wondering, what game will you all be playing when they pull the plug on PA next time

I bet Jolt bought PA to earn some profit on it. What it got was a kindergarden full of cry babies that want it their way no matter the cost. I doubt Planetarion can be said to be a healthy gaming universe that welcomes new players (hehe)...

This round is a lose, lose situation for all the PA players regardless. Wonder what ever happend to the pride alliances had in their skill and experience, these days its all about sheer numbers.

oh and. Im not in either block, Im not moaning about getting hit, I just think its just sad to see the current state of Planetarion....

Couldn't agree More m8, I would be happy to see the good old days when alliances stood by themselves, had plenty of pride cause they got to the top by themselves and not by having x amount of other alliances forming a powerblock.

I've Said from the very start of Powerblocking that it was crap idea and that it would kill the universe off, and kill the game off, which it has done. every round the Universe has less and less players and in my opinion Power Blocks have been one of the main reasons.

Stagnation is caused by Powerblocks we have seen it over the last few rounds, yet the HC's of these alliances that form these powerblocks continue to make powerblocks even though they no what it will do to the game and the round.

Try taking a leap of faith and change the way you start the round, stand on your own 2 feet and say NO to forming PB's That way if enough do it (which I doubt they Will) then we might have a round thats worth Playing. tbh I'm beginning to grow bored of this round already.

Alot of peeps blame the creators for messing the stats up, or making it unbalanced somehow etc etc. When in fact it's the Community itself that has help screw PA over the last few rounds.

Yes Some might say its private gals thats killing the game, its not. its the Powerblocking combined with Private gals thats doing the damage. If you took out the powerblocks, private gals would work without cause an inbalance to the universe.

So my messsage to the Various HC's of the PowerBlocks is GET YOURSELF A SPINE, AND STAND ON YOUR OWN FOR A CHANGE, that way we can all enjoy a full round that last longer than 200 ticks after protection.

And Just for the Record (I'm not Part of Either Block, And i'm Proud not to be with either of them tbh) and i'm doing ok as is my gal.

Cupelix

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by K-W
He could also explain how he could possibly give a more accuarte acount of Fury than I could. And exactly why I would bother lying about thier condition. Im not running around the forum trying to tell titans members how it was in TItans, that would be foolish. So why are titans members trying to tell me how it was in Fury.

No No, of course you're not ... wait ... aint you running around constantly trying to tell scouse he's wrong??
GG NO RE.

[G.K Zhukov]

Im quite tempted to post the logs where I played Sid in r8, again. Seems like some people havent read them..

[K-W]

Originally posted by Psi_K
No No, of course you're not ... wait ... aint you running around constantly trying to tell scouse he's wrong??
GG NO RE.

Actually no. Atm I am agreeing with scouse on most threads. But thanks for pretending to know my motivation. Feel free to try to play again.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by ParraCida

You are now officialy in the same place as Kjeldoran, congratulations.

you just can't let go do you .... SAD !!!

rgds Kj

[Eylisia]

This forum collects drivel at an alarming rate.


Eylisia

[Saitam]

Anyone able to name one round where the "top" alliances have gone alone?